Is Jesus mediator only for the "anointed class" of JWs?

[MissKate13]

If true, then WHO mediates for the rest of the Jehovahs Witnesses?

[tam]

Peace to you,

ALL of ISRAEL was included in the old covenant.

That is because they agreed to it. (Ex 19:1-8)
When did ALL of mankind agree to the New Covenant? Scripture please.

Where have I ever said that all of mankind is in the new covenant?

[Eloi]

All the spiritual Israel is under the new covenant.

Those of Christendom who ask the witnesses who speak to them if they consider themselves part of the new covenant...should answer themselves if they consider themselves kings and priests, and over whom they believe they will reign and whom they will benefit in their priestly service.

Curiously, there are some sects of Christendom that teach their members that all of them are already kings over the rest of humans.

[2timothy316]

Peace to you,

ALL of ISRAEL was included in the old covenant.

That is because they agreed to it. (Ex 19:1-8)
When did ALL of mankind agree to the New Covenant? Scripture please.

Where have I ever said that all of mankind is in the new covenant?

Ok all Christianity? What are the terms of the covenant for those that have not been chosen to be rulers over the earth?

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

ALL of ISRAEL was included in the old covenant.

That is because they agreed to it. (Ex 19:1-8)
When did ALL of mankind agree to the New Covenant? Scripture please.

Where have I ever said that all of mankind is in the new covenant?

Ok all Christianity?

Not the religion.

Christians, themselves.


Where did the Christians in the New Testament agree to being part of the new covenant. There I think you might find the answer to the question you are asking me. If not, then I will respond further.


Peace again.

[2timothy316]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

ALL of ISRAEL was included in the old covenant.

That is because they agreed to it. (Ex 19:1-8)
When did ALL of mankind agree to the New Covenant? Scripture please.

Where have I ever said that all of mankind is in the new covenant?

Ok all Christianity?

Not the religion.

Christians, themselves.


Where did the Christians in the New Testament agree to being part of the new covenant. There I think you might find the answer to the question you are asking me. If not, then I will respond further.


Peace again.

I didn't agree to anything. So show me in the scriptures, the agreement I or anyone agreed to.

[tam]

Peace to you,

All the spiritual Israel is under the new covenant.

Indeed. And "spiritual Israel" is made up of all Christians (both natural and in-grafted branches).

Those of Christendom who ask the witnesses who speak to them if they consider themselves part of the new covenant...should answer themselves if they consider themselves kings and priests, and over whom they believe they will reign and whom they will benefit in their priestly service.

If one is Christian and remains in Christ, and so serves as a king-priest in His Kingdom for a thousand years, then one will reign over the subjects of that Kingdom: non-Christians who are also invited into the Kingdom on the basis of what they have done to even a least one of His brothers (because what they have done for a least one of His brothers, they have done for Him, even if unknowingly). This is explained in the account of the sheep and the goats. The sheep in this account are NOT invited in on the basis of their faith or their belief.

Paul also speaks of such ones in Romans 2, when he states that some do BY NATURE the requirements of the law (which is love), showing that the law is written upon their hearts; calling such ones a law unto themselves.

Christians reign as king-priests with Christ in His Kingdom for at least a thousand years. The sheep who are invited into that Kingdom as subjects of that Kingdom are non-Christians.


Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Eloi]

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years. 5 (...) This is the first resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years.

In the Scriptures it is clearly stated that the survivors of the great tribulation will not be kings and priests in heaven together with Jesus, since at the beginning of the Millennium those kings and priests will already have been resurrected in heaven to reign over the inhabitants of the earth. throughout the millennium. Their salvation depends on Jesus' sacrifice and their eternal life which they will receive depends on priestly benefits (including education in God's laws for the new world) and their future obedience to that kingdom during the time they are tested.

Rev. 7:9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."

Christendom teaches that these great crowd is not made of Christians ... As you read before, that is not true.

Rev. 20:7 Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them. 10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet already were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

... Therefore, it is obvious that the new covenant that makes spiritual Israelites priests and kings does not apply to those who will live on earth forever.

Dan. 7:18 But the holy ones of the Supreme One will receive the kingdom, and they will possess the kingdom forever, yes, forever and ever. (...) 21 "I kept watching as that horn made war on the holy ones, and it was prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was rendered in favor of the holy ones of the Supreme One, and the appointed time arrived for the holy ones to take possession of the kingdom. (...) 27 "And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One. Their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all rulerships will serve and obey them.

Christendom does not know who these "holy ones of the Supreme One" are.

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

ALL of ISRAEL was included in the old covenant.

That is because they agreed to it. (Ex 19:1-8)
When did ALL of mankind agree to the New Covenant? Scripture please.

Where have I ever said that all of mankind is in the new covenant?

Ok all Christianity?

Not the religion.

Christians, themselves.


Where did the Christians in the New Testament agree to being part of the new covenant. There I think you might find the answer to the question you are asking me. If not, then I will respond further.


Peace again.

I didn't agree to anything. So show me in the scriptures, the agreement I agreed to.

If you do not agree to being part of the new covenant, then you will not be part of the new covenant. That does not mean you could not be part of the new covenant. Only that you do not agree to it.

But this has no bearing on the question you asked me.


Peace again to you.

[Eloi]

Is John the Baptizer in the new covenant?

NO, he is not. So, not all Christians are in the new covenant.

[Miles]

[Replying to Miles in post #5]

Whats your answer to the OP question? Does Jesus mediate for all JWs? Yes? No?

As I understand this mediation you speak of it only applies to the fortunate 144,000, and in as much as the 144,000 were chosen long ago Jesus has no JW to mediate for. So my answer is No. Jesus does not mediate for all JWs, or any JW.

But why would Jesus have to mediate anything?

"A mediator is one who mediates, that is, one who acts as an intermediary to work with opposing sides in order to bring about a settlement. A mediator attempts to influence a disagreement between two parties with the goal of resolving a dispute. There is only one Mediator between mankind and God, and that is Jesus Christ. In this article, well see why God has a dispute with us, why Jesus is our mediator, and why we are doomed if we try to represent ourselves alone before God."
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Wouldn't an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent god already know what the best course of action would be, and therefore have no need for the input of Jesus or anyone else? . Of course he would.


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The thing is, Miles, is that sin separates all of us from God. Without a mediator, there could be no reconciliation.

Why not? Has god grown incompetent? If man has become separated from god wouldn't he, God, an all knowing, all powerful, and wise deity, be able to handle the situation?

My question is this. If Jesus isnt mediator for Watchtowers sheep, then I wonder who is? I have heard that the Watchtower Organization is, but I dont know if thats true.

Why would Jesus be needed at all? As I asked, "Wouldn't an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent god already know what the best course of action should be, and therefore have no need for input from Jesus or anyone else?"


Why does god need help?..

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