Christianity's Problem

[POI]

God wants to communicate truth to his creation, right? Thus, if this is the case, then why communicate like he did? Many were/are illiterate, and/or are lazy. Meaning, many Christians have not made a true effort to read their Bible's, from cover to cover, and try to understand it completely. God would know all of this. But even if all read the Bible, and felt they understood every word, mass disagreement would soon develop anyways. As evidence by the endless denominations. Further, even the highly educated do not agree. Heck, we can even go as far as to establish that people who study hermeneutics do not agree. Even in the best case of scenarios, if everyone were to pick up a Bible, read it several times from cover to cover; mass disagreement, on many topics, would likely still persist.

For Debate:

Seems as though Jesus-God did a poor job in clearly conveying his message(s). Does Jesus-God REALLY wish to convey truth to his creation? Because if he does, why be satisfied with the published Bible?

[brunumb]

Its a waste to show one with 0 faith truth.

When one has facts, faith is unnecessary. Meanwhile, the big problem with faith is that it allows one to believe in something that is false just as easily as something that is true. Check out the faith used to prop up all the other religions that you don't believe are true.

Even many scientists once realizing the precision it takes for the universe to work, concluded--intelligent design is the only way possible.

So what? Many scientists believe otherwise. Your argument just depends on which cherries you want to pick.

[brunumb]

For one who cannot even create a single blade of grass, thinks he knows better than God. God will show you the evidence when its to late for you. He has already shown you his great creation. How do you think it will feel to know you were mislead by satan and will lose out on eternal life in Gods kingdom?

Fear mongering is a very outdated mode of religious conversion. I know better than a god that doesn't exist and therefore knows nothing. If God will show the evidence when it is too late for me, that demonstrates that he doesn't really give a toss about me. I wonder how you can be so certain that Satan has not misled you as there are hundreds of Christian sects that would say that you have got things wrong yourself.

[otseng]

God will show you the evidence when its to late for you. He has already shown you his great creation. How do you think it will feel to know you were mislead by satan and will lose out on eternal life in Gods kingdom?

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[otseng]

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[TRANSPONDER]

He cured the blind, deaf, etc. He raised Lazarus from the dead. So your analogy is not even close to reality.

No, he didn't. He didn't do any of those things any more than he recovered from death and floated up to Heaven. BTW, we know know, where ever a 'heaven' is, it isn't up in the clouds. It isn't even 'up.' We've been up - no heaven.

The miracles you claimed didn't happen any more than there was a global flood or a tower Babel where in an instant everyone's language changed and no one understood each other. These are MYTHS. But... like Joey says, prove your claims. When you make a statement of fact, it is meaningless without support- evidence - documentation.
That is one of the rules of this forum- support your claims with evidence, otherwise they are mere opinions and of no value in proving an argument.

5. Support your assertions/arguments with evidence. Do not persist in making a claim without supporting it. All unsupported claims can be challenged for supporting evidence. Opinions require no support, but they should not be considered as valid to any argument, nor will they be considered as legitimate support for any claim.
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Also, keep in mind that in this subforum, C & A, claims from Bible verses have no weight here.
4. Unsupported Bible quotations are to be considered as no more authoritative than unsupported quotations from any other book. viewtopic.php?p=213491#p213491


Don't be like 1213 and construct arguments out of straw, claiming they are bricks.

For one who cannot even create a single blade of grass, thinks he knows better than God. God will show you the evidence when its to late for you. He has already shown you his great creation. How do you think it will feel to know you were mislead by satan and will lose out on eternal life in Gods kingdom?

Even one who cannot create a single blade of grass knows how it came to be and there is no reason for a god being involved,only demonstrable natural processes.

Apart from hellthreat which bothers us no more than you worrying that Allah will be annoyed with you for not being a Muslim, even if you could validate a creator, that would still leave you with having to show which god and religion it was.

[JoeyKnothead]

Then show us your claims are.

Its a waste to show one with 0 faith truth.

Bless your theist heart, you think making a claim is all it takes to get folks to bow down and worship right along with you.

This is a common tactic among the Christians who come here to 'debate'. When challenging their claims, they deny any responsibility for em, and kinda blame that on anyone who doesn't just drop a dollar in the collection plate. I realize the challenge here is kinda broad, or even unparticular, but the reponse, well how 'bout that.

Even many scientists once realizing the precision it takes for the universe to work, concluded--intelligent design is the only way possible.

This says nothing about the many scientists who consider god claims to be worthless.

[1213]

...Again, you NEVER support your claims. But maybe you are right Here's a photo of the insurrectionists being "let in."


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That image is not from the inside of the white house, and it seems to be staged/faked, if we look all video material of the event.

This video of the event tells it was more like peaceful tourist gathering than some kind of riot.

[1213]

...NO punishment for beating others...

Why you still make such claim, even though I have shown it is not true?

[POI]

...NO punishment for beating others...

Why you still make such claim, even though I have shown it is not true?

Why do we have to keep going in circles here?

Exodus 21:

20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

26 “An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. 27 And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.

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Recap.... God instructs that slave masters are NOT TO BE PUNISHED, as long as the slave do not die, or lose an eye or tooth. This why slave masters beat their slaves, with complete impunity, from the back side. Now, can you please stop avoiding my questions?

So then WHY does God go out of his way to instruct NO punishment for beating others and/or to keep others for life as property and/or breed your lifetime property and/pr keep the offspring as well?

[boatsnguitars]

That image is not from the inside of the white house, and it seems to be staged/faked, if we look all video material of the event.
This video of the event tells it was more like peaceful tourist gathering than some kind of riot.

Please tell me you are being sarcastic.