Christianity's Problem

[POI]

God wants to communicate truth to his creation, right? Thus, if this is the case, then why communicate like he did? Many were/are illiterate, and/or are lazy. Meaning, many Christians have not made a true effort to read their Bible's, from cover to cover, and try to understand it completely. God would know all of this. But even if all read the Bible, and felt they understood every word, mass disagreement would soon develop anyways. As evidence by the endless denominations. Further, even the highly educated do not agree. Heck, we can even go as far as to establish that people who study hermeneutics do not agree. Even in the best case of scenarios, if everyone were to pick up a Bible, read it several times from cover to cover; mass disagreement, on many topics, would likely still persist.

For Debate:

Seems as though Jesus-God did a poor job in clearly conveying his message(s). Does Jesus-God REALLY wish to convey truth to his creation? Because if he does, why be satisfied with the published Bible?

[tam]

Peace to you,

It is the one and only inspired (given in spirit) book in the NT.
But it cannot be understood by one's own personal interpretation.

Wow! How does THAT view go over in church?

In religion you mean? Not well. But does that make what I said untrue? Or is it just a lack of understanding on what 'inspired' means?

Interesting to know that the Gospel of John was not inspired,

The gospel that is attributed to John (though it was not John who wrote it) is a witness testimony. The author, who identifies himself only as the disciple Christ loved, did not receive what he wrote down 'in spirit/from the spirit'. This does not mean his testimony is not true. (A math book is not inspired but that does not mean the math is incorrect.) It simply means that he did not write down what received "in spirit".

Inspired ("in spirit") is something that is given/received in spirit. Most of the books from the prophets begin with "the Word of God came to...". Same as what occurs in the book of Revelation.

Luke states himself that his book is based upon the eyewitness testimony that has been handed down. Not upon something he received 'in spirit'. Surely you can see a difference between the two?

nor any of the Gospels, nor any of Paul's letters. Nor were the words of Jesus inspired.

Christ IS the Spirit (and He is the Word of God who came to the prophets). Christ gave that revelation to John.

Did God whisper in your ear to tell you only Revelation is inspired... and that it can't be understood without further revelations.

The book itself states that it is inspired. I know that it is from my Lord (and so also His Father) because my Lord has taught me what some parts of it mean.

Paul had a contrary view of course. But who is Paul to argue with you?

Paul stated that all scripture is inspired and I do not disagree with him.

Paul did not state that all things that are written (such as his letters) are scripture.

All scripture is inspired. But not all things written are scripture.



Peace again to you.


Edited to add:

From the thread "Is the bible the inerrant Word of God?"

viewtopic.php?p=927265#p927265


Peace again!

[JoeyKnothead]

So then you will believe those who will not enter Gods kingdom and lose out on gaining everlasting life.

I will believe those who can show their claims are truth.

Can you show there's an everlasting life to be had?

You should think about the value of everlasting life.

And you should think about the value of supporting your claims.

Alls i can do is pray for you i guess. Maybe you should pray.

Okay. You pray you can show you speak truth, and I'll pray to become gullible.

The liar lies and the preacher preaches.

[otseng]

Alls i can do is pray for you i guess. Maybe you should pray.

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[brunumb]

es every preacher claims to have the truth. I studied hard for years and the results are as follows--The teachings of Jesus, in every translation on earth back the JW teachers 100%, as does true God worship history.

One may study hard for years and learn very little. If one studies falsehoods and lies, one may just become an expert in falsehoods and lies. You have yet to support any of your claims with facts and evidence. Preaching doesn't count.

[kjw47]

es every preacher claims to have the truth. I studied hard for years and the results are as follows--The teachings of Jesus, in every translation on earth back the JW teachers 100%, as does true God worship history.

One may study hard for years and learn very little. If one studies falsehoods and lies, one may just become an expert in falsehoods and lies. You have yet to support any of your claims with facts and evidence. Preaching doesn't count.

You are good at twisting everything. The teachings of Jesus are very real.

[JoeyKnothead]

es every preacher claims to have the truth. I studied hard for years and the results are as follows--The teachings of Jesus, in every translation on earth back the JW teachers 100%, as does true God worship history.

One may study hard for years and learn very little. If one studies falsehoods and lies, one may just become an expert in falsehoods and lies. You have yet to support any of your claims with facts and evidence. Preaching doesn't count.

You are good at twisting everything. The teachings of Jesus are very real.

Calling them real doesn't make them factual.

[brunumb]

es every preacher claims to have the truth. I studied hard for years and the results are as follows--The teachings of Jesus, in every translation on earth back the JW teachers 100%, as does true God worship history.

One may study hard for years and learn very little. If one studies falsehoods and lies, one may just become an expert in falsehoods and lies. You have yet to support any of your claims with facts and evidence. Preaching doesn't count.

You are good at twisting everything. The teachings of Jesus are very real.

Thank you for the compliment. I gave been told that I'm not good at anything. On the other hand, I haven't twisted anything. You've provided nothing to twist. Unsupported claims aren't worth anything. The same goes for preaching.

[kjw47]

es every preacher claims to have the truth. I studied hard for years and the results are as follows--The teachings of Jesus, in every translation on earth back the JW teachers 100%, as does true God worship history.

One may study hard for years and learn very little. If one studies falsehoods and lies, one may just become an expert in falsehoods and lies. You have yet to support any of your claims with facts and evidence. Preaching doesn't count.

You are good at twisting everything. The teachings of Jesus are very real.

Calling them real doesn't make them factual.

There are only 2 kinds of people on earth in Gods view--the righteous and the wicked. Our actions prove who we are.

[JoeyKnothead]

There are only 2 kinds of people on earth in Gods view--the righteous and the wicked. Our actions prove who we are.

There's only two kinds of people on earth in my view--them that can show your claim here is true, and them that can't. Our claims prove who we are.

[brunumb]

es every preacher claims to have the truth. I studied hard for years and the results are as follows--The teachings of Jesus, in every translation on earth back the JW teachers 100%, as does true God worship history.

One may study hard for years and learn very little. If one studies falsehoods and lies, one may just become an expert in falsehoods and lies. You have yet to support any of your claims with facts and evidence. Preaching doesn't count.

You are good at twisting everything. The teachings of Jesus are very real.

Calling them real doesn't make them factual.

There are only 2 kinds of people on earth in Gods view--the righteous and the wicked. Our actions prove who we are.

Righteous and wicked are subjective terms. Some might regard shunning and disfellowshiping as righteous while others will regard them as wicked. As a righteous person I regard shunning as wicked.