Do Christian babies all gain entry to Heaven?

[oldbadger]

This my question:-

If a Christian infant dies, will it automatically gain entry to Heaven?

[boatsnguitars]

It's really the other way round, it's really not a matter of God agreeing with me but of me agreeing with God. I believe the above agrees with God since all my beliefs are based on holy scripture.

... give me much confidence in your (plural) ability {snip} ...

I don't recall asking anything of you (singular) but thanks for for sharing. I do however recall being askef whether God agreed with my belief, a question to which I responded to the best'of my ability.

Should I be interested in what you (singular) have confidence in I will be sure to ask. Generally I prefer to debate content and leave personal testimony to church. (Please don't take that personally you are of course free to share your (singular) testimony of confidence or lack thereof online)

Again, this is a forum for discussion, debate and supporting ones position with objective data, not personal opinion. That's what churches are for - to give personal testimonies and revel in each others subjective opinions.

We could all express our personal beliefs and leave it at that, and revel in the wonder of the world that people can have such a wide variety of 'crazy' beliefs. But this site attempts to do more than that.

For example, my personal opinion is that you use this forum to evangelize. But, it's against forum rules to address people directly - but if you are only expressing your personal beliefs, how are we not to respond personally?

[JehovahsWitness]

...this is a forum for discussion, debate and supporting ones position with objective data, not personal opinion.

I see. ...

Is it important to Christians that babies enter heaven, or do they feel it's unimportant?

It seems as if you are asking what Christians feel ? Is that correct, are you requesting information as to what Christians feel is important in their opinion? I ask because feelings (especially of what is important ) are very personal to each individual and usually based on one's lifeview, values and beliefs.

Clarification as to the request is appreciated. especially as I was not aware that personal opinion was prohibited in this forum.

[boatsnguitars]

...this is a forum for discussion, debate and supporting ones position with objective data, not personal opinion.

I see. ...

Is it important to Christians that babies enter heaven, or do they feel it's unimportant?

It seems as if you are asking what Christians feel ? Is that correct, are you requesting information as to what Christians feel is important in their opinion? Inask because feelings are very personal to each individual.

Clarification as to the request is appreciated.

No, i don't care how Christians feel - I worded it poorly. I want them to get their house in order and come to a conclusion about what their "holy scripture" says, so we can have a discussion about whether or not we should abide by it. As it is, it's absurd to say that we should live a Christian Life, when that means a billion different things - yet, they keep claiming they have the Objective, Absolute, Authoritative Word of God!
Don't they realize the lives they are destroying in the process? I'd be ashamed to call myself a Christian - to know that I proudly stand with thousands of years of homophobia, killing "witches", abuse of children through fear and violence, etc.

I don't care what you feel. I don't care what scientists feel.

So, is it important to Christians, in a fundamental sense that affects their view of the function and definition of God, if babies are sent to Hell, destroyed, or sent to Heaven? Does it matter in a concerte way - morally, spiritually, philosophically, etc. if one is the case or not.


I get that you can say, "Well, I believe x"

If you really feel compelled to talk about how you feel, how about you work through the issue with us:
For example:
1. "If God did send babies to Hell, that would be wrong and I would worship a God like that"
2. "If God did send babies to Hell, that would be awesome! I'd love a God like that!"
3. "If God did send babies to Hell, I wouldn't like it, but I can't know God's thoughts, so maybe he has a good reason? Maybe he's sending Hitlers to Hell?" (begging the question for why Hitler was allowed to live...)
4. "If God did send babies to Hell, I would change my religion to a God that didn't send babies to Hell"

5. "If God sends all babies to Heaven, that seems right to me. They're just little babies, innocent, and they might be great doing whatever my dogma tells me they do up there."
6. "If God sends babies to Heaven, that would mean abortion is the best thing to ever happen to a person, since they wouldn't risk growing up an atheist!"
7. "Maybe God sends babies souls to new babies, so i don't need to be upset when babies die because i don't like it. So religion provides a nice way to ignore the reality and pain of real life..."

Not, "JW's believe this, and we're right."

Again, I think you have used this forum to prosthelytize, not debate. Sure, we often get wrong what JW's believe, but it's not important what you believe, but what you can demonstrate is true.

And, no, that doesn't mean quoting the Bible then saying you're the only one interpreting it the right way.

[JehovahsWitness]

Is it important to Christians that babies enter heaven, or do they feel it's unimportant?

...
... i don't care how Christians feel. ...

I see.

... do they [CHRISTIANS] feel it's unimportant?

I did not ask if you cared , I asked for clarification of what information you were requesting. I was not aware that personal opinion was prohibited in this forum and I cannot see how a person can share how they feel about something without also sharing their personal opinion about that subject since ones feelings are usually intimately tied to ones opinion on the topic.

For example if one feels hurt women have abortions it may stem from the opinion that abortions are wrong.

You invited posters to write about how Christians feel about babies in heaven and then seem to find it objectionable that a Christian (me)shared their first hand information about Christian feelings (mine).

If you really feel compelled to talk about how you feel...

May I respectfully remind you of YOUR question ...

... do they [CHRISTIANS] feel it's unimportant?

I simply responded to your invitation to write about Christian feelings on the question. It is somewhat curious then that you seem to be implying this stemmed not from your question but some uninvited compulsion on my part.

Finally, if you feel forum rules have been violated just report the post and let the moderators handle matters. Unless further action is taken in this regard my answer to your question stands : post #35 viewtopic.php?p=1121815#p1121815



JW

[oldbadger]

Oh dear,
5 pages in, with no clear answers about this question... 'Do Christian babies all gain entry to Heaven?' and so far it looks as if infants and juniors from the many churches and congregations around the world are very likely to be excluded from the Christian Heaven if they should die so young.

In fact, I still have no clear idea about which Christian adults have any chance of the Christian Heaven, either.

[JehovahsWitness]

Oh dear,
5 pages in, with no clear answers about this question... 'Do Christian babies all gain entry to Heaven?'

I gave you a clear answer...'Do Christian babies all gain entry to Heaven?' No.


How much clearer do you need? (see post #4 )

[boatsnguitars]

Oh dear,
5 pages in, with no clear answers about this question... 'Do Christian babies all gain entry to Heaven?' and so far it looks as if infants and juniors from the many churches and congregations around the world are very likely to be excluded from the Christian Heaven if they should die so young.

In fact, I still have no clear idea about which Christian adults have any chance of the Christian Heaven, either.

Yet, Christians claim they have a Book that gives them clear direction, and in general, and claim they all agree on the important issues...

Apparently, whether babies go to Heaven or Hell isn't important to them.

[JehovahsWitness]

Apparently, whether babies go to Heaven or Hell isn't important to them.

I cannot speak for every Christianalive but I can tell you how I personally feel. As I said the question is important to me.


JEHOVAHS WITNESS

[boatsnguitars]

I cannot speak for every Christian alive ...

We understand, and, in fact, bjs1 has told us in no uncertain terms that you, in fact, don't speak for the majority of Christians, and therefore, the implication is that you aren't a true Christian.

Personally, I think that's a shame, since I agree that babies don't go to Heaven, and I really don't want people thinking they do. Or, that there is a Heaven in the first place.

But, you and I are a minority, so our opinions don't count according to Christians who know the Bible, Jesus, God, and the Universe better than us.

The fact is, you are a drop in the ocean of opinions on what the Bible says. You can scream into the gale for as long as you want to claim that you're the only one who has it right, but the gale doesn't care. And, I for one, believe you don't know what you're talking about.

[JehovahsWitness]

I cannot speak for every Christian alive ...

... you, in fact, don't speak for the majority of Christians, and therefore, the implication is that you aren't a true Christian.

Opinion duly noted.

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people")is a fallacious argument which is based on claiming a truth or affirming something is good because the majority thinks so; it alleges if many believe it so, it is so.