What If There Had Been No Resurrection?

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What If There Had Been No Resurrection?

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Christians,

How would your life change if you were to learn that the resurrection of Jesus never occurred?

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Re: What If There Had Been No Resurrection?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:03 pm
Waterfall wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:45 am Maybe you should just watch the video and tell me why you think...
I don't want to.
Then tell me why you think it is not just fantasy that Noah lived for 950 years. Science has shown that to be impossible, so what is your argument? Magic...



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Re: What If There Had Been No Resurrection?

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Waterfall wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:00 am
Well, here in Denmark we have a website with a tons of contradictions, but it is in danish, so I cant use it in here.
I don't need a website to tell me about contradictions; I can read the bible directly for myself - I have in all my years never come across a true contradiction that cannot be explained.
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Waterfall wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:00 am
I will see what comes out of this thread...

viewtopic.php?t=40787
There is nothing on that thread I have not seen before. And nothing on this webite regarding biblical contradictions I haven't refuted many times over.
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Re: What If There Had Been No Resurrection?

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Waterfall wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:00 am

If you get tired of contradictions and the two headed god - Jehovah ...
if you are refering to the bible, I am not tired of biblical contradictions because there are none.

As for calling my God a "two headed god - Jehovah" if that was meant as an insult can I ask you, are you demonstrating the love peace and understanding you have learnt from the book you are promoting?


You sign your posts as a friend, does attempting to insult someone about a person they love "freindship" to you? Or is it just "mockery" are you mocking my beliefs...is that what you feel is showing "friendship forever"


Are mockery and insults the light you are trying to promote?

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Waterfall wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:19 am ... tell me why you think it is not just fantasy that Noah lived for 950 years.
Because I believe in an omnipotent God that can make anything happen if he wants.
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Re: What If There Had Been No Resurrection?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:12 pm
Waterfall wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:17 am
I understand you better now. But to recreate a human being, you would have to recreate a human being, and what is a human being? It is a person with a human body? Not a person with a spirit body? A person with a spirit body is not a person with a human body, so what is going on?

  • A person with a spirit body is called a spirit. God is a spirit. So are angels.
  • A person with a human body is called ...a human. You (I presume) and I are examples of humans.
Waterfall wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:17 am
God has separated the person from the human body and giving it a spirit body? It sounds to me like the person survive the death of the human body?
No. A person cannot exit without a body. If the body dies, this means the person dies: a dead body is a dead person. Spirits are not usually subject to death but if a person with a spirit body were to die (and God wished to resurrect him) he could do so.

I do not believe in reincarnation.
I am not saying that the person that survive the death of the human body do not have a spirit body = live on with a spirit body in a spirit world. Why do you not want to live on in a spirit world like Jesus? And why do you not want to be reincarnated in a muslim family? Someone has to be born there, why not you? Do you not want to reap as you sow? Do you not want to learn everything there is to learn here on earth? What has the Bible to do with reality? Can you tell me? Is it not just fantasy? And why did they have to say this...
Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One
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Namaskaram JW
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:34 am
Waterfall wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:00 am

If you get tired of contradictions and the two headed god - Jehovah ...
if you are refering to the bible, I am not tired of biblical contradictions because there are none.

As for calling my God a "two headed god - Jehovah" if that was meant as an insult can I ask you, are you demonstrating the love peace and understanding you have learnt from the book you are promoting?


You sign your posts as a friend, does attempting to insult someone about a person they love "freindship" to you? Or is it just "mockery" are you mocking my beliefs...is that what you feel is showing "friendship forever"


Are mockery and insults the light you are trying to promote?
It was not an insult. I just think Jehovah is a two headed god and that you should investigate it with an open mind...

https://www.toward-the-light.net/

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Namaskaram JW
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:29 am
Waterfall wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:00 am
I will see what comes out of this thread...

viewtopic.php?t=40787
There is nothing on that thread I have not seen before. And nothing on this webite regarding biblical contradictions I haven't refuted many times over.
Why do you not want to comment on post 2 in this thread...

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=40489

I have ask a danish JW for a comment, so we could talk about things, but he has totally shot down and is not posting anymore on the forum here in Denmark. He could not defend his belief. Maybe you can...with magic ;-)



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Re: What If There Had Been No Resurrection?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:40 am Becausr I believe in an omnipotent God that can lake anything hapoen if he wants.
You must realize this excludes you from rational conversations, right?

According to this statement, there is literally nothing that could happen that would make you question your belief - which makes your belief very personal to you and beyond any introspection or inspection by others. This - functionally - makes you a Solipsist.
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A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret, and denied it me?
Well, well—what matters it? Believe that, too!”
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Waterfall wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:43 am
It was not an insult. I just think Jehovah is a two headed god ...

My God does not have two heads, I find it insulting to have Him thus misrepresented. Are you now going to invalidate my feelings? What you said makes your videos and books LESS appealing to me.

Has your book taught you to express yourself with kindness?
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