I Guess if God Commands it, Then it's Okay?

[POI]

For Debate:

1) Isn't it always cowardly to kill small defenseless children? Or, is there a circumstance(s) and/or time where killing small children/babies is/was instead deemed "correct/good/righteous"?

2) How does one know God is asking them to do this/that, verses not?

Reference:

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7)

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For Debate:

1) Isn't it always cowardly to kill small defenseless children? Or, is there a circumstance(s) and/or time where killing small children/babies is/was instead deemed "correct/good/righteous"?

Inflicting great suffering, pain onto small children-infants is evil and wrong no matter who does it: Christians from the west with their bombardment of Irak, Syria, Afganistan; Israelites with their bombardament of Gaza; Islamists with their jihadic-terrorist attacks or powerful god/gods.

This is true even if one completely removes emotions and empathy from the equation and one analyzes everything only Vulkan style: only logically.

Non-moral agents are blameless and they are victims no matter the case.

God(Yahweh-Jesus) ordering the inflicting of suffering, pain and death to non-moral agents on several times just proves how fictitious god of the Bible is.


The Problem of Gratuitous suffering and Gratuitous evils is the ultimate deathblow to Christianity.

The same goes for Islam. Allah is not "Akbar" but as Yahweh-Jesus is just simply non-existent.

Millions of women, men and children have suffered and died in Christian inquisition, Christian Witch trials, Christian/Islamic Holy Wars, terrorist attacks for not reason.

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[Replying to POI in post #1]

Okay is a subjective term. So, it isn't necessarily so that if God commands it, then it's okay. So, let's say you're a guy walking along an icy river in Passau, Germany, on January 1894 and see a young child of about 4 years fall through the ice where he was playing with other children, would you have saved young Adolf Hitler if you knew what you "know" about him now? The reason the scenario is relevant is that there are reasons for God, who created life in the first place and only intends to preserve it, has for such commands. So, if you were God trying to preserve mankind as a whole and new that there were certain children, belonging, unfortunately, to a certain group of people who, knowingly or unknowingly would prevent or at least hinder the intended preservation of mankind would you command a solution?

[POI]

[Replying to POI in post #1]

Okay is a subjective term. So, it isn't necessarily so that if God commands it, then it's okay. So, let's say you're a guy walking along an icy river in Passau, Germany, on January 1894 and see a young child of about 4 years fall through the ice where he was playing with other children, would you have saved young Adolf Hitler if you knew what you "know" about him now? The reason the scenario is relevant is that there are reasons for God, who created life in the first place and only intends to preserve it, has for such commands. So, if you were God trying to preserve mankind as a whole and new that there were certain children, belonging, unfortunately, to a certain group of people who, knowingly or unknowingly would prevent or at least hinder the intended preservation of mankind would you command a solution?

Please note the part in bold. Here's a thought... If I knew that if I created Adolf Hitler, he would do what he later did, and I did not want him to do any of that, how about not create him in the first place?

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[Replying to POI in post #1]

Okay is a subjective term. So, it isn't necessarily so that if God commands it, then it's okay. So, let's say you're a guy walking along an icy river in Passau, Germany, on January 1894 and see a young child of about 4 years fall through the ice where he was playing with other children, would you have saved young Adolf Hitler if you knew what you "know" about him now? The reason the scenario is relevant is that there are reasons for God, who created life in the first place and only intends to preserve it, has for such commands. So, if you were God trying to preserve mankind as a whole and new that there were certain children, belonging, unfortunately, to a certain group of people who, knowingly or unknowingly would prevent or at least hinder the intended preservation of mankind would you command a solution?

Please note the part in bold. Here's a thought... If I knew that if I created Adolf Hitler, he would do what he later did, and I did not want him to do any of that, how about not create him in the first place?

That's a hypothetical, and the solution would likely be not to, but there is no evidence that the alleged creator knew such a thing in Adolf or Adam's case.

[POI]

[Replying to POI in post #1]

Okay is a subjective term. So, it isn't necessarily so that if God commands it, then it's okay. So, let's say you're a guy walking along an icy river in Passau, Germany, on January 1894 and see a young child of about 4 years fall through the ice where he was playing with other children, would you have saved young Adolf Hitler if you knew what you "know" about him now? The reason the scenario is relevant is that there are reasons for God, who created life in the first place and only intends to preserve it, has for such commands. So, if you were God trying to preserve mankind as a whole and knew that there were certain children, belonging, unfortunately, to a certain group of people who, knowingly or unknowingly would prevent or at least hinder the intended preservation of mankind would you command a solution?

Please note the part in bold. Here's a thought... If I knew that if I created Adolf Hitler, he would do what he later did, and I did not want him to do any of that, how about not create him in the first place?

That's a hypothetical, and the solution would likely be not to, but there is no evidence that the alleged creator knew such a thing in Adolf or Adam's case.

To the part in bold above.... If God knew these little children were going to do what God did not want them to do, then he should not have created them, right? Based upon your response above in red, you would agree.

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[Replying to POI in post #1]

Okay is a subjective term. So, it isn't necessarily so that if God commands it, then it's okay. So, let's say you're a guy walking along an icy river in Passau, Germany, on January 1894 and see a young child of about 4 years fall through the ice where he was playing with other children, would you have saved young Adolf Hitler if you knew what you "know" about him now? The reason the scenario is relevant is that there are reasons for God, who created life in the first place and only intends to preserve it, has for such commands. So, if you were God trying to preserve mankind as a whole and knew that there were certain children, belonging, unfortunately, to a certain group of people who, knowingly or unknowingly would prevent or at least hinder the intended preservation of mankind would you command a solution?

Please note the part in bold. Here's a thought... If I knew that if I created Adolf Hitler, he would do what he later did, and I did not want him to do any of that, how about not create him in the first place?

That's a hypothetical, and the solution would likely be not to, but there is no evidence that the alleged creator knew such a thing in Adolf or Adam's case.

To the part in bold above.... If God knew these little children were going to do what God did not want them to do, then he should not have created them, right? Based upon your response above in red, you would agree.

It depends but is irrelevant since God didn't know.

[POI]

[Replying to POI in post #1]

Okay is a subjective term. So, it isn't necessarily so that if God commands it, then it's okay. So, let's say you're a guy walking along an icy river in Passau, Germany, on January 1894 and see a young child of about 4 years fall through the ice where he was playing with other children, would you have saved young Adolf Hitler if you knew what you "know" about him now? The reason the scenario is relevant is that there are reasons for God, who created life in the first place and only intends to preserve it, has for such commands. So, if you were God trying to preserve mankind as a whole and knew that there were certain children, belonging, unfortunately, to a certain group of people who, knowingly or unknowingly would prevent or at least hinder the intended preservation of mankind would you command a solution?

Please note the part in bold. Here's a thought... If I knew that if I created Adolf Hitler, he would do what he later did, and I did not want him to do any of that, how about not create him in the first place?

That's a hypothetical, and the solution would likely be not to, but there is no evidence that the alleged creator knew such a thing in Adolf or Adam's case.

To the part in bold above.... If God knew these little children were going to do what God did not want them to do, then he should not have created them, right? Based upon your response above in red, you would agree.

It depends but is irrelevant since God didn't know.

Then your first response is irrelevant. Care to try again?

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Then your first response is irrelevant. Care to try again?

Why would I? The OP question is subjective. God didn't know Adam would sin and die. What else is there?

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The Problem of Gratuitous suffering and Gratuitous evils is the ultimate deathblow to Christianity.

No, it isn't, it's their bread and butter.

Millions of women, men and children have suffered and died in Christian inquisition, Christian Witch trials, Christian/Islamic Holy Wars, terrorist attacks for not reason.

See? Bread and butter. You can say bread and circuses if you like. Same thing.