I Guess if God Commands it, Then it's Okay?

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For Debate:

1) Isn't it always cowardly to kill small defenseless children? Or, is there a circumstance(s) and/or time where killing small children/babies is/was instead deemed "correct/good/righteous"?

2) How does one know God is asking them to do this/that, verses not?

Reference:

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7)

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There is no problem of gratuitous suffering and evil in a universe where the process of evolution is responsible for all diversity of life together with all the suffering. Process which is not a perfect mechanism and not guided by omni prefect beings. Its an expected outcome. A realistic one.
The problem only exists when one posits omni perfect beings.

Ah, you see, but the Bible doesn't posit such beings so your premise is flawed. You see?

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There is no problem of gratuitous suffering and evil in a universe where the process of evolution is responsible for all diversity of life together with all the suffering. Process which is not a perfect mechanism and not guided by omni prefect beings. Its an expected outcome. A realistic one.
The problem only exists when one posits omni perfect beings.

Ah, you see, but the Bible doesn't posit such beings so your premise is flawed. You see?

Q: So are you saying God is not a omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, perfect being?
Q: That this is not a Christian teaching, dogma?

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Q: So are you saying God is not a omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, perfect being?

Yes.

Q: That this is not a Christian teaching, dogma?

Yes, but Christian teachings were corrupted. For example, the Bible doesn't teach that the soul is immortal, good people go to heaven, bad people go to hell, Jesus died on the cross, Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are one and the same, the rapture, Christmas, Easter or God is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient or omnibenevolent. All of that nonsense came much later. It's pretty well documented, but all one would have to do is actually study the Bible without the preconception of these nonsensical teachings. Similar to evolution having originated with Aristotle, Empedocles, Anaxagoras and Anaximander, modern day apostate teachings came from Plato, Socrates, Constantine, Dickens, Milton, Dante, Darby and ancient Babylonian religion. This influence began in earnest with the influence of Alexander the Great in 332 BCE and Constantine the Great in 325 CE. Though, of course, the usual confusion existed prior to that. As Paul points out in 2 Timothy 4:3-4.

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Q: So are you saying God is not a omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, perfect being?

Yes.

Q: That this is not a Christian teaching, dogma?

Yes, but Christian teachings were corrupted. For example, the Bible doesn't teach that the soul is immortal, good people go to heaven, bad people go to hell, Jesus died on the cross, Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are one and the same, the rapture, Christmas, Easter or God is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient or omnibenevolent. All of that nonsense came much later. It's pretty well documented, but all one would have to do is actually study the Bible without the preconception of these nonsensical teachings. Similar to evolution having originated with Aristotle, Empedocles, Anaxagoras and Anaximander, modern day apostate teachings came from Plato, Socrates, Constantine, Dickens, Milton, Dante, Darby and ancient Babylonian religion. This influence began in earnest with the influence of Alexander the Great in 332 BCE and Constantine the Great in 325 CE. Though, of course, the usual confusion existed prior to that. As Paul points out in 2 Timothy 4:3-4.

The bible seems to contradict you. Saying Yahweh-Jesus is a omni-perfect being. Apparently you don't know your own Bible.

"26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”"
"42 Then Job replied to the Lord:
2 “I know that you can do all things;
no purpose of yours can be thwarted."
"27 “I am the Lord, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me?"
(Matthew 19:26, Job 42:1-2, Luke 1:37, Jeremiah 32:27)


“5 Great is our Lord and mighty in power;
his understanding has no limit.”
“Before a word is on my tongue
you, Lord, know it completely.”
“13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.”
“20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.”
“16 Do you know how the clouds hang poised,
those wonders of him who has perfect knowledge?”
(Psalm 147:5, Psalm 139:4, Hebrews 4:13, 1 John 3:20, Job 37:16)


“He is the Rock, his works are perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God who does no wrong,
upright and just is he.”
“31 “As for God, his way is perfect:
The Lord’s word is flawless;
he shields all who take refuge in him.”
“48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
“For the Lord is good and his love endures forever;
his faithfulness continues through all generations.”
“17 The Lord is righteous in all his ways
and faithful in all he does.”
“16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. “
“5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.”
“8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
"8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
(Deuteronomy 32:4, 2 Samuel 22:31, Matthew 5:48, Psalm 100:5, Psalm 145:17, 1 John 4:16, 1 John 1:5, Heb. 6:18, Romans 5:8, 1 John 4:8)

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The bible seems to contradict you. Saying Yahweh-Jesus is a omni-perfect being. Apparently you don't know your own Bible.

God is omnipresent? Does the Bible say the heavens (physical universe) can't contain him and that his position is in heaven?

God is omnipotent? Does the Bible say God can't lie and as above, can't come to this planet?

God is omniscient? Does the Bible say God asked Adam and Cain what they had done? That he sent angels to see if Sodom and Gomorrah were as bad as had been reported to him?

God is omnibenevolent? Does the Bible tell of the flood of Noah's day? Of the culmination of the end times resulting in the death of most people?

So, how are these not contradictions of the verses you gave? Ask yourself this. Does omnivore mean literally eating everything? It's a matter of context and interpretation. God isn't Santa Claus. He doesn't know when we are good, bad or awake as such.

[alexxcJRO]

The bible seems to contradict you. Saying Yahweh-Jesus is a omni-perfect being. Apparently you don't know your own Bible.

God is omnipresent? Does the Bible say the heavens (physical universe) can't contain him and that his position is in heaven?

God is omnipotent? Does the Bible say God can't lie and as above, can't come to this planet?

God is omniscient? Does the Bible say God asked Adam and Cain what they had done? That he sent angels to see if Sodom and Gomorrah were as bad as had been reported to him?

God is omnibenevolent? Does the Bible tell of the flood of Noah's day? Of the culmination of the end times resulting in the death of most people?

So, how are these not contradictions of the verses you gave? Ask yourself this. Does omnivore mean literally eating everything? It's a matter of context and interpretation. God isn't Santa Claus. He doesn't know when we are good, bad or awake as such.

Q: How does the above help the believer?

It shows the Bible is extremely contradictory.
God is both an omni-perfect being and a capricious, malevolent, pitiful-weak being. Therefore an illogical concept.
This is to be expected from an atheistic perspective where ignorant ancient goat herders could not invent a consistent concept because most humans are morons.

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It shows the Bible is extremely contradictory.
God is both an omni-perfect being and a capricious, malevolent, pitiful-weak being. Therefore an illogical concept.
This is to be expected from an atheistic perspective where ignorant ancient goat herders could not invent a consistent concept because most humans are morons.

Alas, unless it happens that the modern-day atheistic perspectives turn out to be the real product of ignorant morons and the ancient goatherders make them look like Patrick Starfish from Sponge Bob square pants. I'm just saying. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

[alexxcJRO]

It shows the Bible is extremely contradictory.
God is both an omni-perfect being and a capricious, malevolent, pitiful-weak being. Therefore an illogical concept.
This is to be expected from an atheistic perspective where ignorant ancient goat herders could not invent a consistent concept because most humans are morons.

Alas, unless it happens that the modern-day atheistic perspectives turn out to be the real product of ignorant morons and the ancient goatherders make them look like Patrick Starfish from Sponge Bob square pants. I'm just saying. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

Again bore me with irrelevant things. It does not refute anything i said.

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Again bore me with irrelevant things. It does not refute anything i said.

What you said was that suffering is the death of Christianity. The flawed "intellectual" atheistic perspective subscribes to the theory that if suffering exists no benevolent God could exist. Logically it doesn't make sense because most gods were evil trouble makers. The Bible, for example, says Satan is the God of the world. The world began when Adam and Eve conceived Cain. That's when the "end times" began because that world, along with its God, Satan, will be destroyed. At that time Christianity, having become "worldly" will also be destroyed. That's the only way your proposition makes sense, but of course, you don't know that.

Meanwhile, the flawed atheistic perspective on suffering mentioned above, is contrary to the obvious Biblical teaching that the true God, Jehovah, created evil. (Isaiah 45:7 KJV) Just start reading Genesis 3:15 until you get it. Should only take a few verses. So, in effect, if suffering and evil didn't exist, or never had existed, Christianity wouldn't exist because the Bible is all about salvation from the evil. The problem is modern day apostate Christianity, and Judaism for that matter, took it upon themselves to create more evil. Which they profited from. First, as mentioned, literally, then figuratively.

The irony is that the "intellectual" atheistic perspective, which reveres ancient thinkers like Socrates and Plato and despises the "primitive goatherders" who wrote the Bible, do so because the modern-day apostate Christianity and Judaism abandoned the teachings of the so-called goatherders which was actually more in line with the modern-day atheistic perspective. The sensible part, anyway. While the stuff of Socrates and Plato the apostates adopted is the stuff the modern-day atheistic perspective, in the comical guise of "reason," actually objects to.

Now, I personally believe, for this reason, that God, as it turns out, has a sense of humor.

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Any version of the Bible you think is true could ALSO be associated directly with the part in bold above.

So could anything else. Music, art, politics, nationality, love, freedom, land, security, fear, anger, science, sports, fashion, lifestyle, sexuality, guns, abortion, etc. etc. etc.

If you agree with me, and you have yet to offer anything to distinguish an exception for your case, then your position is not founded.

Further, were you planning on responding to post 21?