Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)

[POI]

We have countless claims, from Christians, to God/Jesus answering prayers for healing to human affliction(s). And by 'answered' prayer, I mean God/Jesus states -- (yes, I will grant you this prayer request to remove the human affliction).

For Debate:

1. Does God "answer" any of these prayer requests? If not, why?
2. If so, why does God/Jesus perpetually skip the following afflictions (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, motor neuron disease, and so on)?

[Clownboat]

I think I already answered it in post 120.

For which I then asked:

I would appreciate an honest answer. I do not feel I'm getting one. Let's try again... If anyone was to ask you to pray for their cerebral palsy, amputation, or DM1 to go away, wouldn't you already know such prayer request(s) would go unanswered? I think you would.

And my answer to that is, God answers always, maybe sometimes the answer can be no. I really don't know will some prayer get no for answer.

So, the same as random chance?

But, I have to echo POI's frustration. It appears you aren't willing to recognize that your response is tailor made for any charlatan for any religion to claim their God is perfect and does all kinds of things - or not - and is completely immune to critique. How convenient!
After all, if someone were to say the same about Krishna, you'd rightly balk at the answer (or should!).

Your answer, to be frank, is what we used to tell children in our church to make them stop asking questions. I think we are grown up enough here to have a more sophisticated discussion. However, if you believe your religion tells you to be childlike, I supppose we can't expect much more than childlike answers.

That's up to you. Are you willing to engage in a substantive debate on how one recognizes whether God is the reason for some healing or not? And, if God does heal, why is it never the things that science has proved there is no Material process to heal - like amputation?

Surely, your God is great enough to withstand a little investigation?

Luke 21:15
New King James Version
15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist.

This topic reveals more than just information about prayer it seems.

[1213]

I already did explain. Regardless of how many petitionary and/or intercessory prayers are made to God, folks with Cerebral Palsy, diabetes 1, and amputations will never have their afflictions removed.

Sorry, that doesn't give me anything to know is it really so in every possible case in all times.

[1213]

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The burden of proof is on the claimant. God answering prayers is the claim....

I think you have misunderstood POI. He claims God doesn't answer prayers and seems to insist I have to accept his claim, all though I don't think we have anything to prove it is really so.

Why should I have faith in POI and believe his claim, even though there is no proof for it to be true?

[TRANSPONDER]

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The burden of proof is on the claimant. God answering prayers is the claim....

I think you have misunderstood POI. He claims God doesn't answer prayers and seems to insist I have to accept his claim, all though I don't think we have anything to prove it is really so.

Why should I have faith in POI and believe his claim, even though there is no proof for it to be true?

I'm not here to make POI's case for him. You argue with him, not me. Leaving aside that this looks rather like the Theist ploy of trying to set atheist posters at odds (not doing it ) my case is that you are ignoring the case that best fits the facts - prayers aren't answered. Your case seems to be that you don't know. Essentially. Logic says you don't believe until you do know, or have good reason to think you do.

But you seem to think that God is answering prayers, even if you don't know whether he does or doesn't or when or why not, on no basis other than Faith.

Whatever you have posted and whether POI was arguing that or not, that is why your case fails.

[POI]

I already did explain. Regardless of how many petitionary and/or intercessory prayers are made to God, folks with Cerebral Palsy, diabetes 1, and amputations will never have their afflictions removed.

Sorry, that doesn't give me anything to know is it really so in every possible case in all times.

-- We have over 2 billion Christians.
-- Many/most/all engage in petitionary and/or intercessory prayers to remove unwanted human afflictions.
-- We have no documented cases of such said afflictions being removed.
-- This is, in part, why the following said afflictions are deemed incurable.
-- However, anytime some curable afflictions are removed, for which Christians also pray for their removal, Christians will sometimes apply the credit to their God for the removal.

What you are essentially asking me to do is to prove a negative. Which is to mean, prove such prayed for afflictions are NEVER answered. Well, all one can do, in proving a negative, is to point out that such said incurable afflictions have never been cured. Of course, you can always say what you are saying. I could also make your exact same argument about alien abductions. How in the heck would one prove aliens have never abducted anyone here on earth? Except for in the case of alien abductions, one could easily find positive claims of abductions to at least investigate.

Think about how ludicrous your argument is for a second. I'll give you an example.

1213: Aliens have not abducted humans.
POI: Sorry, that doesn't give me anything to know that it is really so, in every possible case, at any time.

In essence, in light of the fact that we have 2 billion (plus) Christians praying for such afflictions, and yet have no documented cases of such affliction reversals, how much more time must pass before it is reasonable to conclude God ain't answering such requests?

Or how about this.... Just give me even one demonstrable case where someone's cerebral palsy, diabetes 1, or amputation was reversed?

[1213]

...How in the heck would one prove aliens have never abducted anyone here on earth? ...

That is why I don't make claims that such things have not happened. I just don't believe they have happened.

[POI]

I just don't believe they have happened.

Based upon your rationale, then you also do not believe that (prayer requests) for cerebral palsy, diabetes 1, and amputees, ever happen. Right? If this is not right, then you are in conflict with your own explanation.

[TRANSPONDER]

I just don't believe they have happened.

Based upon your rationale, then you also do not believe that (prayer requests) for cerebral palsy, diabetes 1, and amputees, ever happen. Right? If this is not right, then you are in conflict with your own explanation.

Nailed it.

Data posted:

...How in the heck would one prove aliens have never abducted anyone here on earth? ...

That is why I don't make claims that such things have not happened. I just don't believe they have happened.

That is how burden of proof works. You need to make a better case for answered prayer than UFO enthusiasts make for their anecdotes of abductions, claims of ET encounters and various photos and videos of unidentified aerial objects. If you can't (and it seems you can't) you should do what we do, and don't believe the claim until they are compellingly validated.

I know people claim that prayers have been answered but as you will see in a few posts back, you couldn't know whether prayers are answered or not.

[1213]

...You need to make a better case for answered prayer than UFO enthusiasts make for their anecdotes of abductions, claims of ET encounters and various photos and videos of unidentified aerial objects. If you can't (and it seems you can't) you should do what we do, and don't believe the claim until they are compellingly validated.
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Sorry, I don't have to obey your commandments.

I trust Bible and believe what it says. But I don't trust you and I don't believe you.

[1213]

I just don't believe they have happened.

Based upon your rationale, then you also do not believe that (prayer requests) for cerebral palsy, diabetes 1, and amputees, ever happen. Right? ...

I trust to the Bible and believe it, because I see it to be trustworthy. Random UFO people are not trustworthy for me, that is why I don't believe them, especially if their stories are not logical.