2timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:26 am
Wootah wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:22 pm
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Wootah wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 2:52 am
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Wootah wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 5:24 pm
OK. Well you haven't explained how Stephen failed to cry out to God and talked to not God.
'Lord Jesus receive my Spirit.' Imagine the magnitude of that error when God was right beside 'not God Jesus' and saying what Stephen said.
Will you make the same error and ask for a not God being to receive your spirit when you die?
Why do you think it was an error? Do you think Jesus is not the way to the Father?
Jesus said to him, I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 14:5
Yes but that is the words of a non God being for you.
Imagine having to believe that the only way to God was through a non God being. Some non God being using itself between you and God. That is evil.
Why couldn't a non-God Being be a mediator between God and men? What IS evil is saying that a non-God Person is God. Jesus was the first thing created by God (thus he is called the "only-begotten") and has always been what we could call #2 in the rank of things. He is the highest Being after the Father. Why is that not satisfactory? He never was a mere man, but a perfect man that came from heaven to be born a human. Why does he have to be God? He himself said to the FATHER: "YOU are the only true God." (John 17:3) Not "we" are the only true God.
Well ultimately the Bible (and everything) is about God glorifying himself. But specifically when I read the Bible I see God saving Israel and yes through a mediator, a potential Messiah but they all fail, because they are not God. Next we know also that in terms of justice like has to pay for like. So that is why God had to become a man, to pay for our sin. That is why an animal sacrifice or a human sacrifice can never pay for it. Then you know we sin against God and so how can a debt be paid against God, like for like. Jesus is either God or cannot pay for sins against God.
So you're saying that God sinned and thus only God can pay for God's sin?
You say 'like for like' but the Bible says 'life for life'. What life was Jesus paying for? God's life?
Your life. Which is why Jesus became a man.
So Jesus was just a man? Not God.
Just a man can't pay for sins against God.
I don't get this from you guys.
If I kill a fly I don't go to jail. Because it is a fly.
If I kill a pet cat I might go to jail or get fined.
If I kill a person I go to jail.
Basically you know that the penalty depends on who you commit the crime against (don't get hung up on the word kill).
So if you commit a crime against God - no man can pay.
There is no logical way out of this other than Jesus is God.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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