Has science found God?

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As Bible suggests, this world is like a computer simulation. And now some have found evidence this could be true, world may be like a computer simulation. What say you, have science found God, the programmer of the universe?

"Simulation theory is a theoretical hypothesis that says what people perceive as reality is actually an advanced, hyper-realistic computer simulation, possibly overseen by a higher being".
https://builtin.com/hardware/simulation-theory

"Do you ever experience something and think to yourself, "This cant be real." To some people who have bought into the notion that our reality is currently being simulated, there are examples all around us, that demonstrate glitches in the Matrix. Deja Vu? Ghosts? The Mandela Effect? These could all be direct examples of flaws in the simulation."
https://interestingengineering.com/scie ... ion-theory

"MIT Theoretical physicist James Gates has made a discovery that allegedly caused Neil deGrasse Tyson to sit down in shock. Now for the uninitiated, superstring theory is a concept that could unify all aspects of physics if proven right. While working on his superstring theory, he made an odd discovery. Gates claims to have identified what appears to be actual computer code embedded in the equations of string theory that describe the fundamental particles of our universe. In short, he found "error-correcting codes," the same error-correcting codes that you might find on the web browser you are using right now."
https://interestingengineering.com/scie ... ion-theory

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As Bible suggests, this world is like a computer simulation. And now some have found evidence this could be true, world may be like a computer simulation. What say you, have science found God, the programmer of the universe?

I see nowhere in the Bible the concept of a computer simulation. Care to share the chapter and verse?

However, just for the sake of argument, let's assume we are in computer simulation. How in any way does that point to God (i.e. the god in the Bible)? At best it points to one more more programmers. I write computer programs for a living. Am I a god now?

As has already been pointed out by Transponder, this seems to be an odd grasping of straws. On the one had we see the same user denying well documented, heavily evidenced science in order to preserve their faith, yet trotting out unsubstantiated, non peer reviewed ideas as somehow convincing. This is a very bad look IMHO and just shows what some will do to try and keep their faith alive. Use 'science' when convenient and ignore it when inconvenient. In this case, we are not even talking about peer reviewed science. We are just seeing ideas postulated by scientists which is a very different thing.

[William]

As Bible suggests, this world is like a computer simulation. And now some have found evidence this could be true, world may be like a computer simulation. What say you, have science found God, the programmer of the universe?

I see nowhere in the Bible the concept of a computer simulation. Care to share the chapter and verse?

However, just for the sake of argument, let's assume we are in computer simulation. How in any way does that point to God (i.e. the god in the Bible)? At best it points to one more more programmers. I write computer programs for a living. Am I a god now?

As has already been pointed out by Transponder, this seems to be an odd grasping of straws. On the one had we see the same user denying well documented, heavily evidenced science in order to preserve their faith, yet trotting out unsubstantiated, non peer reviewed ideas as somehow convincing. This is a very bad look IMHO and just shows what some will do to try and keep their faith alive. Use 'science' when convenient and ignore it when inconvenient. In this case, we are not even talking about peer reviewed science. We are just seeing ideas postulated by scientists which is a very different thing.

The idea of there being a creator of said universe which also exists outside of said universe, is very similar to Simulation Theory.

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The idea of there being a creator of said universe which also exists outside of said universe, is very similar to Simulation Theory.

Except the God of the Bible doesn't exist outside the universe (according to the Bible anyways):

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ion=NRSVUE

8 They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man and said to him, "Where are you?"

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ion=NRSVUE

23 then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen."

At best we have this creator both inside and outside the 'simulation'. The analogy is not really holding together.

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As Bible suggests, this world is like a computer simulation. And now some have found evidence this could be true, world may be like a computer simulation. What say you, have science found God, the programmer of the universe?

I see nowhere in the Bible the concept of a computer simulation. Care to share the chapter and verse?

Bible has the idea of this material world and higher spiritual world (heaven or paradise). In the beginning people were expelled to this "first death" where we can learn things. Those who learn well, can be raised to the higher level. So, in a way this life is like the Matrix and the "heaven" is like the world outside the Matrix.

However, just for the sake of argument, let's assume we are in computer simulation. How in any way does that point to God (i.e. the god in the Bible)? At best it points to one more more programmers. I write computer programs for a living. Am I a god now?
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At least not my God.

And I understand that the theory doesn't necessary tell who is the true God. But, it points to a creator, someone who made this program. And I think it is interesting, because for a long time atheists have said nothing in this world suggests that there is creator.

[William]

The idea of there being a creator of said universe which also exists outside of said universe, is very similar to Simulation Theory.

Except the God of the Bible doesn't exist outside the universe (according to the Bible anyways):

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ion=NRSVUE

8 They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man and said to him, "Where are you?"

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ion=NRSVUE

23 then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen."

At best we have this creator both inside and outside the 'simulation'. The analogy is not really holding together.

I think it does hold together because the bible creator is presented as being able to exist both inside and outside the creation/simulation.

This would align with the idea that the mind which creates the simulation machinery, does so with the intention of experiencing the results...

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Sorry, I don't know what else to say, but the number of possible layers doesn't necessary make Christianity not true, because that itself is not in contradiction with the Bible. But, personally I don't believe there is more than the physical level and spiritual level ("Matrix" and out side of the "Matrix").

Why do you personally believe that is the case?
Would a Source Reality out side of the spiritual level make Christianity any less true?

I believe so, because I have no good reason to believe otherwise. But, I don't think outside reality would not necessary be in contradiction with the Bible.

[William]

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Sorry, I don't know what else to say, but the number of possible layers doesn't necessary make Christianity not true, because that itself is not in contradiction with the Bible. But, personally I don't believe there is more than the physical level and spiritual level ("Matrix" and out side of the "Matrix").

Why do you personally believe that is the case?
Would a Source Reality out side of the spiritual level make Christianity any less true?

I believe so, because I have no good reason to believe otherwise. But, I don't think outside reality would not necessary be in contradiction with the Bible.

Yes. It would have to be shown to be viable.

It is of course possible.

The way I understand it (in minds eye) is to argue that The Source Creator made the machinery and then "went into the simulation" and the "going into" allowed for it to work with a blank slate and thus have the experience of a "beginning"...

...this follows that any mindfulness (no matter how far within the simulation) is still connected to The First Source (through the act/experience of being mindful) even if that mindfulness is unaware/not completely aware of said connection...

It could be argued that the bible God "fits the bill"...

[William]

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Sorry, I don't know what else to say, but the number of possible layers doesn't necessary make Christianity not true, because that itself is not in contradiction with the Bible. But, personally I don't believe there is more than the physical level and spiritual level ("Matrix" and out side of the "Matrix").

Why do you personally believe that is the case?
Would a Source Reality out side of the spiritual level make Christianity any less true?

I believe so, because I have no good reason to believe otherwise. But, I don't think outside reality would not necessary be in contradiction with the Bible.

Yes. It would have to be shown to be viable.

It is of course possible.

The way I understand it (in minds eye) is to argue that The Source Creator made the machinery and then "went into the simulation" and the "going into" allowed for it to work with a blank slate and thus have the experience of a "beginning"...

...this follows that any mindfulness (no matter how far within the simulation) is still connected to The First Source (through the act/experience of being mindful) even if that mindfulness is unaware/not completely aware of said connection...

It could be argued that the bible God "fits the bill"...

Some Christians believe in the God of the extended form of the Kalam.

Of that God (idea) they attribute/claim it to be (a) uncaused, (b) immaterial, (c) non-temporal (d) unimaginably powerful, and (e) personal.

As such, that God-idea would fit as the First Source Reality and every other God-idea (such as the Bible God) derives from said Source - through a hierarchy of mindfulness which act as mediums between the first and second simulations and supplying information in that manner to do with Source Reality.

It fits with the narrative common among some Christians that we cannot trust some of the information being supplied to us, (wars in "heaven" angels and demons et al...) implying that all is not well within the first simulation and this is reflected in what is going on in the second (our) simulation.

Point being, one is charged with the task of sorting out an apparent mess....

[Purple Knight]

As Bible suggests, this world is like a computer simulation. And now some have found evidence this could be true, world may be like a computer simulation. What say you, have science found God, the programmer of the universe?

The double-slit and some other experiments do seem to suggest the universe is a simulation. But what if the programmer is amoral, a bad person, or a very moral person in his own universe who doesn't recognise that we're living, thinking beings who can be hurt and perhaps should not be? He wouldn't be God then, would he?

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...But what if the programmer is amoral, a bad person, or a very moral person in his own universe who doesn't recognise that we're living, thinking beings who can be hurt and perhaps should not be? He wouldn't be God then, would he?

It depends on what the word God means. I think it means the highest authority and also the creator. That leaves the possibility of amorality. However, judging by what God has caused, I don't think He is amoral.