Please Challenge This Hypothesis

[POI]

After years of debate, one topic seems to remain without waiver and/or adjustment. I'm placing this topic here, in the forefront/spotlight, to expose it to direct challenge. I will be more than happy than to (waiver from/augment/abort) this hypothesis, baring evidence to the contrary....

Hypothesis: The reason most/all believe in (God/gods/higher powers) is because of evolution. Meaning, 'survival of the fitter." Meaning, all humans who favored type 2 errors over type 1 errors are now mostly gone. We inherit our parent's predisposition to invoke type 1 errors, until otherwise logically necessary. Meaning, few will still BECOME atheists after "going to the well enough times" and not seeing God there.

Allow me to explain. In this context, a type 1 error would be first assuming intentional agency, and being wrong -- (good or bad). Alternatively, a type 2 error would be not to first assume intentional agency, and being wrong.

1) Walking down a dirt path, from point A to point B, and hearing a rustle in the weeds, and first assuming danger, would be a type 1 error IF incorrect. This person would still be alive if they are wrong. Maybe it was actually just the wind. Alternatively, if one was to instead first assume no danger, the wind, but there was danger, this person has first committed a type 2 error and is now likely out of the gene pool. And since this has been happening for a long time, we only have the ones who first invoke type 1 errors.

2) Getting in a car wreck with 3 friends.... Your 3 friends die, but you live. You assume you are purposefully spared. IF you are wrong, there is really no harm and no way to know. There is really also no way to confirm you were not spared. Hence, your possible type 1 error is never confirmed/corrected. Which means you can and will continue to attribute agency, where there may not really be any.

In essence, you first assume agency, until proven otherwise. For God, it is never really unproven. Humans connect the dots, accept the hits and ignore the misses, other...

For debate: Is this is viable reason why most believe in a higher power? Is this also why other arguments, against god(s), hardly change the believer's mind?

[1213]

...You can surely see that all cultures invent their own gods...

How can that be seen?

[TRANSPONDER]

...You can surely see that all cultures invent their own gods...

How can that be seen?

As you raised on the other thread, because they are all wildly different and reflect the cultures and even identity of the people who believe in them.

[Clownboat]

...You can surely see that all cultures invent their own gods...

How can that be seen?

It may surprise you to know that there are over 4,000 recognized religions in the world. These religions consist of churches, congregations, faith groups, tribes, cultures, and movements.

To leave yours out, what mechanism would you propose for the creation of the other 3,999 religions? I'm curious about such things.

[1213]

It may surprise you to know that there are over 4,000 recognized religions in the world. These religions consist of churches, congregations, faith groups, tribes, cultures, and movements.

To leave yours out, what mechanism would you propose for the creation of the other 3,999 religions? I'm curious about such things.

There can be many different reasons. But, perhaps the main thing for all other gods is that people didn't want to be loyal to the one true God, and instead begun to worship something else that they like more.

[TRANSPONDER]

It may surprise you to know that there are over 4,000 recognized religions in the world. These religions consist of churches, congregations, faith groups, tribes, cultures, and movements.

To leave yours out, what mechanism would you propose for the creation of the other 3,999 religions? I'm curious about such things.

There can be many different reasons. But, perhaps the main thing for all other gods is that people didn't want to be loyal to the one true God, and instead begun to worship something else that they like more.

Or perhaps they were all made up. I get it, I really do You, like all the Believers, cannot step outside the Box and look at the situation from an impartial position.

What if there was no god and all these religions are manmade inventions? But I get it - you can't, and like all the Faithful all reasoning is done from a Faith that the god you beleive in is real and all the others are wrong.

You can't stand outside or comprehend disbelieving in One n more god than all the others.

Let me tell you what it is like. Have you never seen, or can you not imagine, someone listening to the story of a crim talking his way out of an accusation - and his accusers already Know he did it? Or I have used the rat lab analogy. The ban in the white coat watches the rat running about looking for an escape, but the man knows the maze, sees the exits and can see where the rat is going.

And yet the rat in its'; ignorance, believes it can outwit the maze.

Just sayin' for fun I don't expect you to listen, learn or accept, any more than you did any of the other points I validated, and you waved away and came back arguing them all over again. Like Einstein said - doing the same thing again and again and e hoping for a different result.

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What if there was no god and all these religions are manmade inventions?

Sorry, people seem to have almost no imagination to develop something like God, therefore I can't believe that. Also, I think this is a good argument:

Now I tell you, withdraw from these men, and leave them alone. For if this counsel or this work is of men, it will be overthrown. But if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow it, and you would be found even to be fighting against God!"
Acts 5:28-29

If the message is not from God, it will be overthrown. And as you have demonstrated, you can't overthrow the message in the Bible. All you have is straw man arguments and wishful thinking.

[TRANSPONDER]

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What if there was no god and all these religions are manmade inventions?

Sorry, people seem to have almost no imagination to develop something like God, therefore I can't believe that. Also, I think this is a good argument:

Now I tell you, withdraw from these men, and leave them alone. For if this counsel or this work is of men, it will be overthrown. But if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow it, and you would be found even to be fighting against God!"
Acts 5:28-29

If the message is not from God, it will be overthrown. And as you have demonstrated, you can't overthrow the message in the Bible. All you have is straw man arguments and wishful thinking.

Strawman arguments and wishful thinking indeed - all on your side, and self contradicting, to boot. If all the other gods are false , why can't they all be false? If all the others are imaginary, why not all?

And since all the gods that are believed in can be said to be real, as I hink you said once, isn't it a case of pick the one you like? I recall a discussion with an opponent in the old days "If people living in a distant country had never heard of your god, would that mean your god didn't exist?"

"Of course not."

"If nobody on the earth had heard of your god, would that mean it didn't exist?"

"Of course not."

"If everyone stopped believing in your god, would that mean it stopped existing?"

"Of course not."

"Then it makes no difference whether people people believe in a god or not as to whether it is real, or not."

it is palpably clear that all your arguments are based on faith in one particular god, Bible and your interpretation of it, and various arguments (strawman and wishful thinking, as you said) to try to make a case for it.

The only one you have is that the Bible is valid and the other holy books are religions are not. That is the only argument there ever had s been and only strawmans, faithclaims, denial and wishful thinking has made the believers think that gaps for god, morality, numbers of believers, prophecy and Experiences in Life are any arguments at all for their god, religion and Holy Book.

[Clownboat]

It may surprise you to know that there are over 4,000 recognized religions in the world. These religions consist of churches, congregations, faith groups, tribes, cultures, and movements.

To leave yours out, what mechanism would you propose for the creation of the other 3,999 religions? I'm curious about such things.

There can be many different reasons. But, perhaps the main thing for all other gods is that people didn't want to be loyal to the one true God, and instead begun to worship something else that they like more.

Your explanation doesn't make sense though. Ancient American Indians, for just one example out of many wouldn't have known about Jehovah, Moses or Jesus to then not be loyal to.
Your explanation also doesn't address the mechanism for how they arrived at the god concepts that all these other cultures did arrive at.

Sorry, people seem to have almost no imagination to develop something like God, therefore I can't believe that.

It seems as if you think the 3,999 other god concepts have real true Gods behind them. Is it not more likely that humans invented such concepts to explain things they didn't understand and to answer unknowable questions like what happens after death compared to the idea of there being thousands of real Gods?

[Purple Knight]

Your explanation also doesn't address the mechanism for how they arrived at the god concepts that all these other cultures did arrive at.

This is a good point. Unless the true religion came about earlier than anyone thinks, people are clearly generating religious beliefs spontaneously. If they can't all be true, then people are capable of generating false religious beliefs spontaneously.

I actually thought about this a lot when I read the Narnia books. In The Silver Chair, the Emerald Witch says there's no Aslan. She says people made him up in their heads by thinking of the best thing (a cat) and making it bigger. If Aslan wasn't a cat, I thought, and was some weird other thing, it would be really really really hard for her to do this. But you can indeed see how the fantasies are put together from pieces of the real, for example, a mindflayer is an octopus mashed up with a human. And you can have real things that appear this way, like a platypus. But if you find something genuinely original, it must be real, right? And it did occur to me, where do people even get this idea of god? It's a weird other thing that seems fairly difficult to just come up with.

Maybe people take a human and make it bigger, better, and more powerful. Just as a human waters its crops and brings grain, a god turns the world and brings life. To me this is a less plausible extension than just making a cat bigger and giving it a wig. I therefore suggest that either all religions generated spontaneously are true, or they're all false. The outlier case - that there is one true God and he'd make religion a cosmic game of blindfolded whack-a-mole - need not be considered, because a god so chaotic that he would do this, would be very likely to simply change his mind and deny you any reward, if you did happen to pick his true hole at random (out of infinite holes, btw) and whacked him square on the head right as he was coming up.

And I have to say, if we take this further, any religion that says it alone has the true god... that's the puzzle piece that doesn't fit. Though note, the Bible does mention other gods being real.

[1213]

....Ancient American Indians, for just one example out of many wouldn't have known about Jehovah, Moses or Jesus to then not be loyal to.
Your explanation also doesn't address the mechanism for how they arrived at the god concepts that all these other cultures did arrive at.

I believe all people come from same ancestors, and therefore they would have the connection to the same God, the one who created Adam and Eve. The explanation to a specific god depends on what god are your speaking of. Can you give one example, for what god concept you would like to have an explanation?

It seems as if you think the 3,999 other god concepts have real true Gods behind them. Is it not more likely that humans invented such concepts to explain things they didn't understand and to answer unknowable questions like what happens after death compared to the idea of there being thousands of real Gods?

People have kept for example a golden calf as their god. I can easily believe such a thing exists. And so in a way it is a real god. I just don't think it should be kept as the God, because it is just something people made. Can you give some other example of a god that you think humans invented?