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You Don't Need to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?
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Re: You Don't Need to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?
Post #52Where to find your explanation in the Bible?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:24 amThat's nonsense. The expression "in the name of..." means "under the authority of"/ representing. This can refer to an individual (In the name of Jesus) , an institution or an entity (in the name of the law*).
Listing w(as in the case of Mat 2i) two individuals and an entity does not render them all EQUAL, much less all Almighty God.
* NOTE "In The name of the law" does not mean that "the law" is a person, with a '
name such as Bill or Jane
The definite article (the) is used before a noun to indicate that the identity of the noun is known to the reader, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit mentioned in Mat 28:19 in the singular word "name". Grammatical exegesis as they are one in singular "name".
And if they are not equal they should be outside of that singular "name."
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Re: You Don't Need to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?
Post #53It's not a singular name. And someone could say something is to happen in the name of Tom, Dick and Harry, and it wouldn't mean that they are the same person OR equal in any way. I like JehovahsWitness's comment on this. "In the name of the law and God above" doesn't mean that the law has a name but is an entity to be reckoned with, and it certainly isn't equal to God above.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:05 amWhere to find your explanation in the Bible?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:24 amThat's nonsense. The expression "in the name of..." means "under the authority of"/ representing. This can refer to an individual (In the name of Jesus) , an institution or an entity (in the name of the law*).
Listing w(as in the case of Mat 2i) two individuals and an entity does not render them all EQUAL, much less all Almighty God.
* NOTE "In The name of the law" does not mean that "the law" is a person, with a '
name such as Bill or Jane
The definite article (the) is used before a noun to indicate that the identity of the noun is known to the reader, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit mentioned in Mat 28:19 in the singular word "name". Grammatical exegesis as they are one in singular "name".
And if they are not equal they should be outside of that singular "name."
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Re: You Don't Need to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?
Post #54The scripture cannot mean the three mentioned are all called "Tom" (for example) because the bible is clear that the Father has one name and the Son another (different) name. As for the holy spirit, it is never spoken of in scripture as havjng a name, so how can someone be baptised a literal "name" nobody on earth has ever heard of.
The expression... "the name of" in this context means "in the authority of..." and the Father and son do not have equal authority because Jesus admitted his authorith came from the Father.
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Re: You Don't Need to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?
Post #55I quote Bible verse, hope you do likewise on grammatical exegesis.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:47 amIt's not a singular name. And someone could say something is to happen in the name of Tom, Dick and Harry, and it wouldn't mean that they are the same person OR equal in any way. I like JehovahsWitness's comment on this. "In the name of the law and God above" doesn't mean that the law has a name but is an entity to be reckoned with, and it certainly isn't equal to God above.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:05 amWhere to find your explanation in the Bible?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:24 amThat's nonsense. The expression "in the name of..." means "under the authority of"/ representing. This can refer to an individual (In the name of Jesus) , an institution or an entity (in the name of the law*).
Listing w(as in the case of Mat 2i) two individuals and an entity does not render them all EQUAL, much less all Almighty God.
* NOTE "In The name of the law" does not mean that "the law" is a person, with a '
name such as Bill or Jane
The definite article (the) is used before a noun to indicate that the identity of the noun is known to the reader, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit mentioned in Mat 28:19 in the singular word "name". Grammatical exegesis as they are one in singular "name".
And if they are not equal they should be outside of that singular "name."
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Re: You Don't Need to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?
Post #56Just what do you mean? We JWs have quoted MUCH Bible scripture. In just about everything we post. What is your point?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:37 amI quote Bible verse, hope you do likewise on grammatical exegesis.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:47 amIt's not a singular name. And someone could say something is to happen in the name of Tom, Dick and Harry, and it wouldn't mean that they are the same person OR equal in any way. I like JehovahsWitness's comment on this. "In the name of the law and God above" doesn't mean that the law has a name but is an entity to be reckoned with, and it certainly isn't equal to God above.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:05 amWhere to find your explanation in the Bible?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:24 amThat's nonsense. The expression "in the name of..." means "under the authority of"/ representing. This can refer to an individual (In the name of Jesus) , an institution or an entity (in the name of the law*).
Listing w(as in the case of Mat 2i) two individuals and an entity does not render them all EQUAL, much less all Almighty God.
* NOTE "In The name of the law" does not mean that "the law" is a person, with a '
name such as Bill or Jane
The definite article (the) is used before a noun to indicate that the identity of the noun is known to the reader, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit mentioned in Mat 28:19 in the singular word "name". Grammatical exegesis as they are one in singular "name".
And if they are not equal they should be outside of that singular "name."
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Re: You Don't Need to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?
Post #59You mentioned Tom, Dick and Harry.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:04 pmJust what do you mean? We JWs have quoted MUCH Bible scripture. In just about everything we post. What is your point?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:37 amI quote Bible verse, hope you do likewise on grammatical exegesis.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:47 amIt's not a singular name. And someone could say something is to happen in the name of Tom, Dick and Harry, and it wouldn't mean that they are the same person OR equal in any way. I like JehovahsWitness's comment on this. "In the name of the law and God above" doesn't mean that the law has a name but is an entity to be reckoned with, and it certainly isn't equal to God above.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:05 amWhere to find your explanation in the Bible?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:24 amThat's nonsense. The expression "in the name of..." means "under the authority of"/ representing. This can refer to an individual (In the name of Jesus) , an institution or an entity (in the name of the law*).
Listing w(as in the case of Mat 2i) two individuals and an entity does not render them all EQUAL, much less all Almighty God.
* NOTE "In The name of the law" does not mean that "the law" is a person, with a '
name such as Bill or Jane
The definite article (the) is used before a noun to indicate that the identity of the noun is known to the reader, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit mentioned in Mat 28:19 in the singular word "name". Grammatical exegesis as they are one in singular "name".
And if they are not equal they should be outside of that singular "name."
I mean any argument by verse that is similar to Mat 28:19 with different application.
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Re: You Don't Need to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?
Post #60I still don't understand what you are talking about. Can you be more succinct?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:22 amYou mentioned Tom, Dick and Harry.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:04 pmJust what do you mean? We JWs have quoted MUCH Bible scripture. In just about everything we post. What is your point?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:37 amI quote Bible verse, hope you do likewise on grammatical exegesis.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:47 amIt's not a singular name. And someone could say something is to happen in the name of Tom, Dick and Harry, and it wouldn't mean that they are the same person OR equal in any way. I like JehovahsWitness's comment on this. "In the name of the law and God above" doesn't mean that the law has a name but is an entity to be reckoned with, and it certainly isn't equal to God above.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:05 amWhere to find your explanation in the Bible?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:24 amThat's nonsense. The expression "in the name of..." means "under the authority of"/ representing. This can refer to an individual (In the name of Jesus) , an institution or an entity (in the name of the law*).
Listing w(as in the case of Mat 2i) two individuals and an entity does not render them all EQUAL, much less all Almighty God.
* NOTE "In The name of the law" does not mean that "the law" is a person, with a '
name such as Bill or Jane
The definite article (the) is used before a noun to indicate that the identity of the noun is known to the reader, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit mentioned in Mat 28:19 in the singular word "name". Grammatical exegesis as they are one in singular "name".
And if they are not equal they should be outside of that singular "name."
I mean any argument by verse that is similar to Mat 28:19 with different application.