JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[JehovahsWitness]

Why it doesn't? Could it be a symbol then.
Lexicon define "form" as external appearance.
It would be as, Jesus being in the external appearance of God. that proves Jesus is God.

Form as in Jesus was created in God's image.

What lexicon that says that?

COLOSSIANS 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God,

I mean what lexicon that define "form" in Phil 2:6 that suits your interpretation?

Is God's word not enough ?

[nawlens]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #1671]

Hebrews 2:17 "For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted."

The fabricated hypostatic union destroys the atonement. If Jesus was God that makes him a fraud and the cross a hoax.

Jesus was tempted IN EVERY WAY AND HE KNEW TEMPTATION. The bible also says that "God cannot be tempted and therefore cannot sin."

If Jesus was God that means he could not have sinned anyway. (Back to the only Trinitarian answer of TWO NATURES) That makes the Word of God totally contradictory - makes Jesus a fraud because he never would have to overcome sin since he also being God couldn't have been tempted to sin anyway - ultimately making him a fraud and the cross a complete hoax and the atonement for sin a complete hoax - think about it.

[Capbook]

Why it doesn't? Could it be a symbol then.
Lexicon define "form" as external appearance.
It would be as, Jesus being in the external appearance of God. that proves Jesus is God.

Form as in Jesus was created in God's image.

What lexicon that says that?

COLOSSIANS 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God,

I mean what lexicon that define "form" in Phil 2:6 that suits your interpretation?

Is God's word not enough ?

God's word in Phil 2:6 is so enough for me. Lexicon of "form" applied "Jesus being in the external appearance of God."

For Christ did not divest himself either of one or the other, but possessed both all the time of his public ministry. In like manner, the opinion of those who, by the form of God understand the Divine nature and the government of the world, cannot be admitted; since Christ, when he became man, could not divest himself of the nature of God; (Clarke)

[Capbook]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #1671]

Hebrews 2:17 "For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted."

The fabricated hypostatic union destroys the atonement. If Jesus was God that makes him a fraud and the cross a hoax.

Jesus was tempted IN EVERY WAY AND HE KNEW TEMPTATION. The bible also says that "God cannot be tempted and therefore cannot sin."

If Jesus was God that means he could not have sinned anyway. (Back to the only Trinitarian answer of TWO NATURES) That makes the Word of God totally contradictory - makes Jesus a fraud because he never would have to overcome sin since he also being God couldn't have been tempted to sin anyway - ultimately making him a fraud and the cross a complete hoax and the atonement for sin a complete hoax - think about it.

Did Jesus sinned?

[JehovahsWitness]

God's word in Phil 2:6 is so enough for me.

So you reject Colossians?

COLOSSIANS 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God,

[Capbook]

God's word in Phil 2:6 is so enough for me.

So you reject Colossians?

COLOSSIANS 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God,

Jesus is the counterpart of God Almighty in Col 1:15.

Who is the image of the invisible God - The counterpart of God Almighty, and if the image of the invisible God, consequently nothing that appeared in him could be that image; for if it could be visible in the Son, it could also be visible in the Father; but if the Father be invisible, consequently his image in the Son must be invisible also. This is that form of God of which he divested himself; the ineffable glory in which he not only did not appear, as to its splendor and accompaniments, but concealed also its essential nature; that inaccessible light which no man, no created being, can possibly see. This was that Divine nature, the fullness of the Godhead bodily, which dwelt in him. (Clarke)

[JehovahsWitness]

God's word in Phil 2:6 is so enough for me.

So you reject Colossians?

COLOSSIANS 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God,

Jesus is the counterpart of God Almighty in Col 1:15.

I cannot see the words "counterpart of God Almighty" in the scripture. That seems like changing scripture. I am a disciple of Christ not ..."clark"

[nawlens]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #1677]
The image of the invisible God...

Implies that Jesus' presence and his conduct represents the internal attributes of God Himself. This verse does NOT imply a trinity or that Jesus is the same - yet different - person as God the Father.

I have never believed in a Trinity and the JW'S have that one right.

[BrotherBerry]

Jesus is the Son of God. God knows best how to refer to Jesus and He called Him His Son, Matthew 17:5.

[Capbook]

God's word in Phil 2:6 is so enough for me.

So you reject Colossians?

COLOSSIANS 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God,

Jesus is the counterpart of God Almighty in Col 1:15.

I cannot see the words "counterpart of God Almighty" in the scripture. That seems like changing scripture. I am a disciple of Christ not ..."clark"

That's how Clark explains the verse. Are you a disciple of Christ or Jehovah?

The image of the invisible God, consequently nothing that appeared in him could be that image; for if it could be visible in the Son, it could also be visible in the Father; but if the Father be invisible, consequently his image in the Son must be invisible also. This is that form of God of which he divested himself;