SABBATH...

[Capbook]

Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment

[myth-one.com]

This is the history of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time. Noah walked with God.
Gen. 6:9

So how can these two scriptures be harmonised ...

ECCLESIATES 7:20

For there is no righteous man on earth who always does good and never sins

Simple. When Noah died, there was no longer any righteous man on the earth.

And how does this relate to the scriptures that speak of the mosaic law being obsolete ?

Why would it relate to that?

The law became obsolete in regard to obtaining salvation when Jesus died.

[1213]

...I believe the law is written in persons heart.

Which law ...are you refering here to the mosaic law?

I think it means all laws God has given.

If Jesus law is better than the Mosaic law and could it be that the new law replaces the old ?

I think the law is the same, the difference is in how it is conveyed.

[1213]

This is the history of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time. Noah walked with God.
Gen. 6:9

So how can these two scriptures be harmonised ...

ECCLESIATES 7:20

For there is no righteous man on earth who always does good and never sins

And how does this relate to the scriptures that speak lf the mosaic law being obsolete ?

I don't think there is a scripture that says the mosaic law is obsolete. And about how to harmonize the two scriptures, maybe it means, at some point of time it was so that there was no one righteous. Or it means, no one is righteous by his own actions. I think it is possible that there are two ways to understand righteousness, it can mean that person is perfect or that one is faithful/loyal to God, like Noah was. There are many scriptures that indicates that righteousness means person is loyal to God, but it does not necessary mean the person makes no mistakes.

"Two men went up into the temple to pray; one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this: 'God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.' But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn't even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be mer-ciful to me, a sinner!' I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."
Luke 18:10-14
For a righteous man falls seven times, and rises up again; But the wicked are overthrown by calamity.
Prov. 24:16
Behold, his soul is puffed up. It is not upright in him, but the righteous will live by his faith.
Hab. 2:4

[JehovahsWitness]

I don't think there is a scripture that says the mosaic law is obsolete.

HEBREWS 8:13

In his saying “a new covenant,” he has made the former one obsolete.+ Now what is obsolete and growing old is near to vanishing away.+

[JehovahsWitness]

I think it means all laws God has given.

But have all laws from God existed all the time?

By making no distinction between Gods various commandements, would it be fair to say you have not given proper thought to the possibility they all has different purposes. And by not recognising a set of commandements have specific purpose, you cannot see how a law that comes from God can fulfill its purpose and be rendered obsolete?

ARE ALL LAW S THAT COME FROM GOD PERMANENT?

Adam was commanded not to eat the fruit from a particular tree. The tree no longer exists and Adam is dead. Although we can learn lessons from the command, time and circumstance means that the commandement cannot be kept : The first command ever given to a human by God is, de facto obsolete.

Noah was commanded by God to build an ARK. That was a one-off command from God. After the flood, Noah and his family did not have to continue to build an ark. It was a temporary command (although God did not say the word "temporary") to a specific family.

All through time God has given humans commandements, some were repeated (like the prohibition on eating blood) some were not. All were given to a specific person or peoples for specific purposes. All served their purpose and passed away when the commandements fulfilled that pupose.

God's words are true but not all his commandement apply to everyone all the time. He will consider a person righteous if they keep the commandements he has given to/ that apply to THEM.

THE MOSAIC LAW

It is essential that Christians understand the purpose of the Mosaic law and who it was given to. The Mosaic laws (which include the famous "Ten commandement" ) were given only to the nation of Israel for the purpose of keeping them seperate from other nations until the Messiah could be identified amongst them. When those laws did what they were made for they became obsolete, and were replaced. Only by removing that law, which was like a wall protecting but by definition also seperating Jews from everyone else could God now give new commandements to ALL people, inviting them in worship of him

THE LAW OF CHRIST

These laws replaced the old MOSAIC laws and were for everyone, from any national group. They include the to love God above all else and love ones neighbour. No commandement can take away sin but the people that keep these laws show they love Jesus and God from the heart and understand that of we love God and out neighbours we will be the kind of people God accept. If we willingly do all that JESUS commands and put faith in Jesus we can be forgiven our sins and have the hope of everlasting life.

By insisting on keeping the old Mosaic law, a Christian is showing God that he does not belive the new commandements of Christ, good enough without support from other former laws. To illustrate ...

I'll do BOTH: I'll keep the some of Mosaic law AND have faith in Jesus. This is like saying to someone that offers to pay off ALL your mortage, "Thanks, I accept your offer AND at the same time I'm going to continue to pay the monthly installements of my mortage. IS that not a de facto rejection of the offer?

By considering all laws the same and permanent in nature, a person is showing lack of respect for the words and teaching of Christ who speccifically said he was giving a new (he did not say an ADDITIONAL) commandment.

JW

[myth-one.com]

If we willingly do all that JESUS commands and put faith in Jesus we can be forgiven our sins and have the hope of everlasting life.

There is no need to be forgiven for our sins to gain everlasting life, as sin no longer affects our salvation:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

All who believe in Jesus will gain everlasting life.

"Whosoever" includes sinners!

[onewithhim]

This is the history of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time. Noah walked with God.
Gen. 6:9

So how can these two scriptures be harmonised ...

ECCLESIATES 7:20

For there is no righteous man on earth who always does good and never sins

And how does this relate to the scriptures that speak lf the mosaic law being obsolete ?

I don't think there is a scripture that says the mosaic law is obsolete.

I have provided many scriptures to show that the Law is obsolete. Such as:

"When he said, 'A new covenant,' he has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Hebrews 8:13, NASB)
"Having cancelled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and he has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross." (Colossians 2:14, NASB)

[1213]

I have provided many scriptures to show that the Law is obsolete. Such as:

"When he said, 'A new covenant,' he has made the first obsolete. ...

That is speaking of a covenant, not about the law.

[JehovahsWitness]

That is speaking of a covenant, not about the law.

The covenant >IS< "the law" . This is why we speak of The law Covenant: its the contract (covenant) to keep the law.

Only by understanding what the old covenant and the new covenant are , and how they are inseparable from " law" (see above) will a Christian stop fighting the abolishment of the first in favor of the second.

The Mosaic covenant is not "We promise to love God/ God promises to have us as his people (because we love him)..

The Mosaic covenant is "We promise to keep your laws (one of which is to love God) / God promises to have us as his people (because we keep his laws) ..

Can you see how you cannot end the covenant without ending the laws of that same covenant?




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[onewithhim]

I have provided many scriptures to show that the Law is obsolete. Such as:

"When he said, 'A new covenant,' he has made the first obsolete. ...

That is speaking of a covenant, not about the law.

The "covenant" was the Law. You might hear it expressed like "the Law covenant."