What was the gospel/good news that Jesus taught the Apostles to share door to door and is the same currently shared??

[konagold3]

Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??

Jesus sent the Apostles out door to door two by two sharing the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Reportedly the people, the folks, heard them gladly.

The current Christian version of the gospel message is too premature to be the good news the Apostles of Jesus shared door to door since Jesus was yet to be put to death.

The current gospel runs along the lines [in part and a condensed version for purpose of this question], that God's only begotten Son, Jesus, died for the sins of mankind; it is only through Jesus sacrifice that mankind, humanity, is forgiven; and one must be saved, redeemed by the blood sacrifice of Jesus and then born again taking Jesus into ones heart and soul to enter eternal life in the kingdom of Heaven.

Given that the Apostles could not accept it when Jesus told them he would die and rise, it would not make sense for the Apostles to have said door to door in folks homes, words to the effect that : "Rabbi Jesus, Teacher, our master, is going to die for your sins to mortify "Our Father,[who, Jesus taught IS love,by the way] to appease a angry God who couldn't get over the default of Adam and Eve in the Garden to not live up to God's command to not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge"

Wouldn't it then make more sense if the Apostles door to door message were along the more appealing lines about the love of God that Jesus taught, something like the loving core of Jesus teachings perhaps that God is our Father and we are all members of the family of humanity each of us a child of God; that we are all family because we all have a Creator Parent in common; we should love God; we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves and do unto them as we would have done unto us; that the spirit of God resides in all of us we only need to listen and wholoves each one of us; and by belief in this we have life eternal

So is it possible in the aftermath of the resurrection and in reacting to the resurrection, did Peter and the Apostles and later Paul substitute the Big News for the Good News, thus creating a religion about Jesus rather than teaching folks how to live the religion OF Jesus and diluting His message of love??

Aloha

[1213]

Paul's Gospel of Grace is not the same as Israel's Gospel of the Kingdom. The Gospel of the Kingdom had nothing to do with Christ's death burial and resurrection. They had no idea He would be dying, let alone be raising from the dead. Israel's Gospel was that their promised Kingdom is finally at hand (Mark 1:15). Well, it's not at hand today.

If we believe what Jesus says, it is and has been.

Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not of this world. If my King-dom were of this world, then my servants would fight, that I wouldn’t be delivered to the Jews. But now my Kingdom is not from here.”
John 18:36
Being asked by the Pharisees when God’s Kingdom would come, he answered them, “God’s Kingdom doesn’t come with observa-tion; neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for be-hold, God’s Kingdom is within you.”
Luke 17:20-21

[onewithhim]

Paul's Gospel of Grace is not the same as Israel's Gospel of the Kingdom. The Gospel of the Kingdom had nothing to do with Christ's death burial and resurrection. They had no idea He would be dying, let alone be raising from the dead. Israel's Gospel was that their promised Kingdom is finally at hand (Mark 1:15). Well, it's not at hand today.

If we believe what Jesus says, it is and has been.

Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not of this world. If my King-dom were of this world, then my servants would fight, that I wouldn’t be delivered to the Jews. But now my Kingdom is not from here.”
John 18:36
Being asked by the Pharisees when God’s Kingdom would come, he answered them, “God’s Kingdom doesn’t come with observa-tion; neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for be-hold, God’s Kingdom is within you.”
Luke 17:20-21

For behold, "God's kingdom is among you"---within this crowd that had gathered. That is what "within you" means. See the NASB version of that scripture:

21"Nor will they say, 'Look, here it is,' or, 'There it is!' For, behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst." (Luke 17:21, NASB)

It is not something within someone's heart. It is an actual government (Daniel 2:44; Isaiah 9:6,7) with Christ as the King. He, as King designate, was there in the midst of the crowd of listeners, a big part of which were the Pharisees (who Jesus would not say had the kingdom in their hearts!)

[1213]

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21"Nor will they say, 'Look, here it is,' or, 'There it is!' For, behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst." (Luke 17:21, NASB)

It is not something within someone's heart. It is an actual government (Daniel 2:44; Isaiah 9:6,7) with Christ as the King. He, as King designate, was there in the midst of the crowd of listeners, a big part of which were the Pharisees (who Jesus would not say had the kingdom in their hearts!)

I think better translation is inside the people. But, I don't think it really makes a difference what word is used. Jesus is the king, and everybody keeping him as their King, forms the kingdom. If there are people who keep Jesus as their king, there is also the kingdom.

[onewithhim]

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21"Nor will they say, 'Look, here it is,' or, 'There it is!' For, behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst." (Luke 17:21, NASB)

It is not something within someone's heart. It is an actual government (Daniel 2:44; Isaiah 9:6,7) with Christ as the King. He, as King designate, was there in the midst of the crowd of listeners, a big part of which were the Pharisees (who Jesus would not say had the kingdom in their hearts!)

I think better translation is inside the people. But, I don't think it really makes a difference what word is used. Jesus is the king, and everybody keeping him as their King, forms the kingdom. If there are people who keep Jesus as their king, there is also the kingdom.

Did you look at Isaiah 9:6,7 and Daniel 2:44? How could these verses actually show that the government is in people's hearts? It is a real government! And also, the point can be made that the Pharisees were in that crowd around Jesus, and he berated them for their hypocrisy and their overstepping God's own laws. Would he say that the Kingdom was inside them? No, he wouldn't. So the NASB translation is the more accurate one.

[1213]

Did you look at Isaiah 9:6,7 and Daniel 2:44? How could these verses actually show that the government is in people's hearts?

I don't say government is in their heart. Kingdom is not the same as government.

[armchairscholar]

Aloha

Is it possible that Christians have Jesus' Gospel [good news] message incorrect or very incomplete??

Jesus sent the Apostles out door to door two by two sharing the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Reportedly the people, the folks, heard them gladly.

The current Christian version of the gospel message is too premature to be the good news the Apostles of Jesus shared door to door since Jesus was yet to be put to death.

The current gospel runs along the lines [in part and a condensed version for purpose of this question], that God's only begotten Son, Jesus, died for the sins of mankind; it is only through Jesus sacrifice that mankind, humanity, is forgiven; and one must be saved, redeemed by the blood sacrifice of Jesus and then born again taking Jesus into ones heart and soul to enter eternal life in the kingdom of Heaven.

Given that the Apostles could not accept it when Jesus told them he would die and rise, it would not make sense for the Apostles to have said door to door in folks homes, words to the effect that : "Rabbi Jesus, Teacher, our master, is going to die for your sins to mortify "Our Father,[who, Jesus taught IS love,by the way] to appease a angry God who couldn't get over the default of Adam and Eve in the Garden to not live up to God's command to not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge"

Wouldn't it then make more sense if the Apostles door to door message were along the more appealing lines about the love of God that Jesus taught, something like the loving core of Jesus teachings perhaps that God is our Father and we are all members of the family of humanity each of us a child of God; that we are all family because we all have a Creator Parent in common; we should love God; we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves and do unto them as we would have done unto us; that the spirit of God resides in all of us we only need to listen and wholoves each one of us; and by belief in this we have life eternal

So is it possible in the aftermath of the resurrection and in reacting to the resurrection, did Peter and the Apostles and later Paul substitute the Big News for the Good News, thus creating a religion about Jesus rather than teaching folks how to live the religion OF Jesus and diluting His message of love??

Aloha

It's natural for us to grapple with such issues, as we seek to understand the true message of Jesus Christ. I've come to see that the Gospel message is both simple and complex. At its core, it is about God's boundless love for humanity, as demonstrated through Jesus' life, teachings, and ultimate sacrifice. The apostles, in their early ministry, were undoubtedly focused on sharing the transformative power of God's love and the radical inclusivity of the Kingdom of Heaven.

But we must remember that our understanding of Christ's message has evolved over time, shaped by historical events, cultural contexts, and continued revelation through the Holy Spirit. The early Church, in its efforts to comprehend and articulate the powerful mystery of Christ's death and resurrection, naturally emphasized these aspects in their teaching.

It's possible that in our zeal to explain the significance of Christ's sacrifice, we have sometimes overshadowed the equally important message of God's unconditional love and the call to love one another. This is a balance we must continually strive to maintain.

[JehovahsWitness]

.... Kingdom is not the same as government.

IS GOD'S KINGDOM A GOVERNMENT ?

A KINGDOM is a governmental unit ruled by a king or queen.

Any ruling (governing) power over a definable state of domaine can be described as a "government" An autocracy is a government in which one person has all the power . The biblical Kingdom of God / Kingdom of heaven has Jesus ruling with other subordinate "co-rulers" it is effectively a type of GOVERNMENT * (see Rev 20:4 Mat 19:28))

* GOVERNMENT : the body of persons that constitutes the governing authority of a political unit or organization - Merriam-Webster

KINGDOM A politically organized community or major territorial unit having a monarchical form of government headed by a king or queen - idem

JEHOVAHS WITNESS

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GOD'S KINGDOM, MILLENIAL RULE and ...1914

[JehovahsWitness]

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THE KINGDOM OF GOD

What is God's kingdom? God's Kingdom is a heavenly government.

Who is in it? Jesus is its head, he shares rulership with 144,000 born again believers.

Where is it? It's in heaven

What does it govern? It will govern the entire planet earth.

When did it start governing? 1914

Isn't the kingdom when God takes action in our hearts? No.

Is it "within us"? No its a government.

Is it "whenever God takes action"? No it's a government!

Will it find its expression through human governments? No it will destroy all human governments.

Will it's rule extend into the future? Yes, it will continue for 1000 years

What will it do for the earth? It will rid the earth of all wickedness and suffering

Why do most christians avoid speaking about the Kingdom? Because they don't know what it is.

What is the responsibility of true Christians ? Preach the good news of this Kingdom to anyone that will listen.

How can I learn more about the Kingdom? Talk to any Jehovah's Witness on the earth they will be happy to explain more.

Are Jehovahs Witnesses the only religion that teach Gods kingdom is a literal government that will take over control of this our planet earth? Yes.

[1213]

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* GOVERNMENT : the body of persons that constitutes the governing authority of a political unit or organization - Merriam-Webster

KINGDOM A politically organized community or major territorial unit having a monarchical form of government headed by a king or queen - idem

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I understand that means, God's kingdom has a government, Jesus the king. But the kingdom itself is more than just a government.

[JehovahsWitness]

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* GOVERNMENT : the body of persons that constitutes the governing authority of a political unit or organization - Merriam-Webster

KINGDOM A politically organized community or major territorial unit having a monarchical form of government headed by a king or queen - idem

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I understand that means, God's kingdom has a government, Jesus the king. But the kingdom itself is more than just a government.

A Government cannot exist independent of the domain over which it governs. But to say its a government cuts through all the mumbo jumbo religious speak that (just leaves people confused) and best represents what we are talking about in a single word A GOVERNMENT : A group of individuals ruling / exercising authority (governing) a fixed territory.

It exposes the nonsense of it being a feeling in the hearts of believers or of it being the Christian church on earth.

God's kingdom has a government...

It doesn't "have" a government it **is** the government (which obviously has SUBJECTS). Easy , clear, simple concise and accurate God's Kingdom is a government.