Jehovah's Witnesses And Blood

[Miles]

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #89]

Very very odd that Joey should post this just a bit after I posted the above. My answer to the below is, there wouldn't be that vampire. In a universe where vampire lore is reality, and is consistent, they don't start being formed until there are already Christians.

The timing is purely coincidental. I just thought it was funny.

[Purple Knight]

The timing is purely coincidental. I just thought it was funny.

One thing I've noticed about this forum is that different threads often come together like this, the same concept come to in one as in another, the debating users not even knowing about it. It's very very weird.

Why did what JW said make me make the connection to this weird bit of vampire lore being a silly concept unless you understand that the Christian canon is part of any consistent vampire canon? And why did you happen to come across that very thing within a day? Very very weird.

I haven't seen this phenomenon happen anywhere else, even on forums with similar populations, even on other forums with similar populations and what I call "category bloat" that causes users to often miss topics they might be interested in.

Anyway, it's claims like yours that make a mockery of God. Atheists and other skeptics have fodder to ridicule theism as childish and delusional if not dangerous. They realize that no real God is going to pick out special people to "listen" to him, or if he did, then he'd make sure his knowledge and power is evident. God doesn't want to make people talk and act as if they're either lying or off their rockers.

Increasingly a lot of threads on this forum are related. This is heavily related to my thread on whether morality can be a guessing game.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=38210

If you believe God is fair, no, no it can't. Morality can't be a guessing game. A fair god does not run lotteries with salvation as the prize.

Therefore, in a world of liars, god would also not send people to give his words out who would simply have to be trusted. For then, how would I pick that fellow over a liar?

[onewithhim]

The timing is purely coincidental. I just thought it was funny.

One thing I've noticed about this forum is that different threads often come together like this, the same concept come to in one as in another, the debating users not even knowing about it. It's very very weird.

Why did what JW said make me make the connection to this weird bit of vampire lore being a silly concept unless you understand that the Christian canon is part of any consistent vampire canon? And why did you happen to come across that very thing within a day? Very very weird.

I haven't seen this phenomenon happen anywhere else, even on forums with similar populations, even on other forums with similar populations and what I call "category bloat" that causes users to often miss topics they might be interested in.

Anyway, it's claims like yours that make a mockery of God. Atheists and other skeptics have fodder to ridicule theism as childish and delusional if not dangerous. They realize that no real God is going to pick out special people to "listen" to him, or if he did, then he'd make sure his knowledge and power is evident. God doesn't want to make people talk and act as if they're either lying or off their rockers.

Increasingly a lot of threads on this forum are related. This is heavily related to my thread on whether morality can be a guessing game.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=38210

If you believe God is fair, no, no it can't. Morality can't be a guessing game. A fair god does not run lotteries with salvation as the prize.

Therefore, in a world of liars, god would also not send people to give his words out who would simply have to be trusted. For then, how would I pick that fellow over a liar?

The Bible is clear on how we should worship. It's all right there in front of us. The problem comes when people change verses by throwing in punctuation that doesn't belong there, or by punctuation's absence that should be there, and by ignoring a vast amount of Scripture. Many verses are taken at face value at times when they must coincide with other verses to make sense of the matter, but other passages are ignored by many. For example, "God" might be mentioned in one verse. Who is this God? Many would say "Jesus," but they ignore what the verse just above says about "Jehovah," recognized by the Tetragrammaton YHWH. In other words, people are being taught nonsense so that certain religious people can have power and wealth.

It is necessary for people to really study the Bible, hopefully from manuscripts that are the oldest available, and get the original author's viewpoint. Most of us don't know Hebrew or Greek, so we have to rely on excellent translations, and it is possible to find the best one if we keep searching, and not rely totally on our priest's or pastor's opinions. It is not the Bible's or God's fault that men have screwed around with the Bible and made it confusing.

[Purple Knight]

It is not the Bible's or God's fault that men have screwed around with the Bible and made it confusing.

It's not. But if all of this is real, this would be the ONE thing I would legitimately expect God to strike people with a lightning bolt for trying to do: Tamper with people's understanding of what God wants.

It can be hard to make the right choice, that's fine, but it shouldn't be impossible to find out what the right choice is. If God lets people tamper with the Bible, you can get that situation where people legitimately trying to do the right thing, are doing the wrong thing because of misinformation.

I'm not going to say God wouldn't allow suffering, because we might not be conscious if we couldn't suffer. I'm not going to say God wouldn't test us, do horrible things to us, torture us, maim us, make us despair that he doesn't exist on purpose to see if people will do the right thing in absence of consequences or rewards.

A fair God would NOT hide from us, what is right, and what is wrong.

[Difflugia]

The problem comes when people change verses by throwing in punctuation that doesn't belong there, or by punctuation's presence that shouldn't be there, and by ignoring a vast amount of Scripture.

Like 1 Samuel 28?

[onewithhim]

The problem comes when people change verses by throwing in punctuation that doesn't belong there, or by punctuation's presence that shouldn't be there, and by ignoring a vast amount of Scripture.

Like 1 Samuel 28?

The key there is the "vast amount of Scripture" that is ignored. There is a ton of information in the Bible that shows what God's view of mediums and the search to speak to the dead is and what shape Saul's conscience was for him to seek out a witch.

[onewithhim]

It is not the Bible's or God's fault that men have screwed around with the Bible and made it confusing.

It's not. But if all of this is real, this would be the ONE thing I would legitimately expect God to strike people with a lightning bolt for trying to do: Tamper with people's understanding of what God wants.

It can be hard to make the right choice, that's fine, but it shouldn't be impossible to find out what the right choice is. If God lets people tamper with the Bible, you can get that situation where people legitimately trying to do the right thing, are doing the wrong thing because of misinformation.

I'm not going to say God wouldn't allow suffering, because we might not be conscious if we couldn't suffer. I'm not going to say God wouldn't test us, do horrible things to us, torture us, maim us, make us despair that he doesn't exist on purpose to see if people will do the right thing in absence of consequences or rewards.

A fair God would NOT hide from us, what is right, and what is wrong.

And I explained in a previous post that God is NOT hiding from us what is right and what is wrong. He knows, too, that we can find the truth if we search for it. Doesn't Christ say, "Keep on asking and it shall be given you; keep on seeking and you shall find; keep on knocking and it shall be opened to you"? (Matthew 7:7)

[Difflugia]

The key there is the "vast amount of Scripture" that is ignored. There is a ton of information in the Bible that shows what God's view of mediums and the search to speak to the dead is and what shape Saul's conscience was for him to seek out a witch.

So, how much of this vast amount of scripture must agree with you before you can change what the other verses mean?

[onewithhim]

The key there is the "vast amount of Scripture" that is ignored. There is a ton of information in the Bible that shows what God's view of mediums and the search to speak to the dead is and what shape Saul's conscience was for him to seek out a witch.

So, how much of this vast amount of scripture must agree with you before you can change what the other verses mean?

If the vast amount of Scripture agrees with me, then the verses in question would have to agree with the majority of passages. I would have no problem in putting quotation marks around "Samuel."

[Difflugia]

If the vast amount of Scripture agrees with me, then the verses in question would have to agree with the majority of passages. I would have no problem in putting quotation marks around "Samuel."

Are you sure about that? There are more verses in 1 Samuel 28 that say that the spirit was Samuel than verses used as prooftexts to claim it's not.