For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Matthew 5:18
The Prophet Jesus peace be upon him,
came to complete the law of the ancient prophets
Without decrease or increase
The remaining authentic verses in the Old Testament cannot be omitted
Why such variance in viewpoints? To begin with, different theological camps disagree on which books should be included in the Bible. One camp’s apocrypha is another’s scripture. Secondly, even among those books that have been canonized, the many variant source texts lack uniformity. This lack of uniformity is so ubiquitous that The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible states, “It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the NT in which the MS [manuscript] tradition is wholly uniform.”[2]
Not one sentence? We can’t trust a single sentence of the Bible? Hard to believe.
Maybe
The fact is that there are over 5700 Greek manuscripts of all or part of the New Testament.[3] Furthermore, “no two of these manuscripts are exactly alike in all their particulars…. And some of these differences are significant.”[4] Factor in roughly ten thousand manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate, add the many other ancient variants (i.e., Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic, Nubian, Gothic, Slavonic), and what do we have?
A lot of manuscripts
A lot of manuscripts that fail to correspond in places and not infrequently contradict one another. Scholars estimate the number of manuscript variants in the hundreds of thousands, some estimating as high as 400,000.[5] In Bart D. Ehrman’s now famous words, “Possibly it is easiest to put the matter in comparative terms: there are more differences in our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.”[6]
How did this happen?
Poor record keeping. Dishonesty. Incompetence. Doctrinal prejudice. Take your pick.
None of the original manuscripts have survived from the early Christian period.[7]/[8] The most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century, three hundred years after Jesus’ ministry. But the originals? Lost. And the copies of the originals? Also lost. Our most ancient manuscripts, in other words, are copies of the copies of the copies of nobody-knows-just-how-many copies of the originals.
No wonder they differ
In the best of hands, copying errors would be no surprise. However, New Testament manuscripts were not in the best of hands. During the period of Christian origins, scribes were untrained, unreliable, incompetent, and in some cases illiterate.[9] Those who were visually impaired could have made errors with look-alike letters and words, while those who were hearing-impaired may have erred in recording scripture as it was read aloud. Frequently scribes were overworked, and hence inclined to the errors that accompany fatigue.
In the words of Metzger and Ehrman, “Since most, if not all, of them [the scribes] would have been amateurs in the art of copying, a relatively large number of mistakes no doubt crept into their texts as they reproduced them.”[10] Worse yet, some scribes allowed doctrinal prejudice to influence their transmission of scripture.[11] As Ehrman states, “The scribes who copied the texts changed them.”[12] More specifically, “The number of deliberate alterations made in the interest of doctrine is difficult to assess.”[13] And even more specifically, “In the technical parlance of textual criticism—which I retain for its significant ironies—these scribes ‘corrupted’ their texts for theological reasons.”[14]
Errors were introduced in the form of additions, deletions, substitutions and modifications, most commonly of words or lines, but occasionally of entire verses.[15] [16] In fact, “numerous changes and accretions came into the text,”[17] with the result that “all known witnesses of the New Testament are to a greater or lesser extent mixed texts, and even several of the earliest manuscripts are not free from egregious errors.”[18]
In Misquoting Jesus, Ehrman presents persuasive evidence that the story of the woman taken in adultery (John 7:53-8:12) and the last twelve verses of Mark were not in the original gospels, but added by later scribes.[19] Furthermore, these examples “represent just two out of thousands of places in which the manuscripts of the New Testament came to be changed by scribes.”[20]
In fact, entire books of the Bible were forged.[21] This doesn’t mean their content is necessarily wrong, but it certainly doesn’t mean it’s right. So which books were forged? Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 and 2 Peter, and Jude—a whopping nine of the twenty-seven New Testament books and epistles—are to one degree or another suspect.[22]
Forged books? In the Bible?
Why are we not surprised? After all, even the gospel authors are unknown. In fact, they’re anonymous.[23] Biblical scholars rarely, if ever, ascribe gospel authorship to Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. As Ehrman tells us, “Most scholars today have abandoned these identifications, and recognize that the books were written by otherwise unknown but relatively well-educated Greek-speaking (and writing) Christians during the second half of the first century.”[24] Graham Stanton affirms, “The gospels, unlike most Graeco-Roman writings, are anonymous. The familiar headings which give the name of an author (‘The Gospel according to …’) were not part of the original manuscripts, for they were added only early in the second century.”[25]
So what, if anything, did Jesus’ disciples have to do with authoring the gospels? Little or nothing, so far as we know. But we have no reason to believe they authored any of the books of the Bible. To begin with, let us remember Mark was a secretary to Peter, and Luke a companion to Paul. The verses of Luke 6:14-16 and Matthew 10:2-4 catalogue the twelve disciples, and although these lists differ over two names, Mark and Luke don’t make either list. So only Matthew and John were true disciples. But all the same, modern scholars pretty much disqualify them as authors anyway.
Why?
Good question. John being the more famous of the two, why should we disqualify him from having authored the Gospel of “John”?
Umm … because he was dead?
Multiple sources acknowledge there is no evidence, other than questionable testimonies of second century authors, to suggest that the disciple John was the author of the Gospel of “John.”[26] [27] Perhaps the most convincing refutation is that the disciple John is believed to have died in or around 98 CE.[28] However, the Gospel of John was written circa 110 CE.[29] So whoever Luke (Paul’s companion), Mark (Peter’s secretary), and John (the unknown, but certainly not the long-dead one) were, we have no reason to believe any of the gospels were authored by Jesus’ disciples
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Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts
Post #161Thank you for your response and for sharing your perspective. I appreciate the time and effort you’ve taken to present your argument. However, I find that many of the key critiques from my original response remain unaddressed. Additionally, your reply contains several fallacies and logical inconsistencies that I will outline below.
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1. Equivocation: Conflation of Monotheism Across Traditions
You assert that Prophet Muhammad worshipped "God (the Father) alone, like Christ and all the prophets before him." While monotheism is a shared foundation between Islam and Christianity, this statement oversimplifies significant theological differences. The Christian conception of God includes the Trinity, which Islam explicitly denies. This important distinction must be addressed if you wish to equate the two.
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2. Appeal to Authority: Scientific Claims About the Qur'an
While you provided videos to support your claim that the Qur'an contains scientific miracles, it is not my responsibility to research evidence for claims you make. If you wish to argue that scientific discoveries affirm the Qur'an's divined origin, the burden of proof lies with you to present specific, substantiated examples. Simply pointing to general statements or videos without detailing their relevance weakens the argument.
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3. False Analogy: Prophets vs. Subjective Experiences
You argue that there is "no comparison between ordinary people and their experiences and the prophets and God’s true revelation to them." While prophets hold a unique status in Islam, this does not negate the validity of subjective spiritual experiences in other traditions. Dismissing such experiences outright avoids engaging with my critique regarding the Subjective GOD Model (SGM), which posits that personal divined encounters are meaningful to the individual experiencing them.
Further, your defense of Islamic miracles like Isra and Mi’raj contrasts with your dismissal of non-Islamic spiritual experiences. This selective validation creates inconsistency in your argument.
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4. Red Herring: Christian Practices and Statues
Your emphasis on statues and images in Christian worship does not address the critique at hand. While some Christian denominations include icons in their traditions, others do not, and these practices are not universally representative. More importantly, this point distracts from the central issues raised in my original response about selective interpretations of scripture and spiritual inclusivity.
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5. Hasty Generalization: Christian Ethics
You claim that Christians "openly" engage in behaviors like usury, adultery, and gambling and attribute them to Christ. This sweeping generalization ignores the diverse interpretations and practices within Christianity. Many Christian denominations explicitly condemn such behaviors, and your statement misrepresents their teachings.
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6. Genetic Fallacy: Cultural Context of Islam
Your argument about the oppressive systems during Muhammad’s time emphasizes the societal reforms he brought. While these reforms are historically significant, the truth of Islam’s theological claims cannot rest solely on its cultural impact. This argument commits the genetic fallacy, suggesting that Islam's origin in a specific historical context validates its spiritual authority.
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7. Straw Man: Biblical Taboos
You state that "the Bible does not prohibit" certain taboos, implying that Christianity condones behaviors like adultery and usury. This misrepresents the Bible and Christian ethics, which include strong moral guidelines against such behaviors. A fair critique would engage with actual Christian teachings, rather than oversimplified interpretations.
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8. Ad Hominem: Christians Deceived by the Devil
Your assertion that "Christians are deceived by the devil" is not a substantive argument. It attacks the character of Christians rather than addressing the theological points under discussion. A meaningful dialogue requires respect and engagement with the beliefs of others, not dismissive judgments.
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9. False Dilemma: Qur'an as the Sole Corrective Text
You present the Qur'an as the only preserved and authoritative scripture, dismissing all others as corrupted. This creates a false dilemma by assuming that spiritual value can only exist in one text. Billions of people find profound meaning and divined inspiration in other scriptures, even if their historical authenticity differs from that of the Qur'an.
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10. Circular Reasoning: Qur'an's Infallibility
You state that "the Qur’an is a revelation and the word of God, infallible from error." This assumes the conclusion you are trying to prove—that the Qur'an is infallible because it is the word of God—without providing independent evidence. This circular reasoning undermines the argument's validity.
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Final Thoughts
To engage in meaningful dialogue, it is essential to address critiques directly rather than sidestepping them or relying on logical fallacies. While I understand you have beliefs re the arguments you’ve presented, the points above highlight areas where your response fails to substantively engage with my critiques. I encourage you to consider these points and approach the discussion with a commitment to examining diverse perspectives fairly.
If you wish to provide specific written evidence for your claims—such as the scientific miracles in the Qur'an—I am open to reviewing them. However, general references without detail or videos expecting others to make time to watch these, do not constitute a meaningful defense of your argument.
________________________________________
1. Equivocation: Conflation of Monotheism Across Traditions
You assert that Prophet Muhammad worshipped "God (the Father) alone, like Christ and all the prophets before him." While monotheism is a shared foundation between Islam and Christianity, this statement oversimplifies significant theological differences. The Christian conception of God includes the Trinity, which Islam explicitly denies. This important distinction must be addressed if you wish to equate the two.
________________________________________
2. Appeal to Authority: Scientific Claims About the Qur'an
While you provided videos to support your claim that the Qur'an contains scientific miracles, it is not my responsibility to research evidence for claims you make. If you wish to argue that scientific discoveries affirm the Qur'an's divined origin, the burden of proof lies with you to present specific, substantiated examples. Simply pointing to general statements or videos without detailing their relevance weakens the argument.
________________________________________
3. False Analogy: Prophets vs. Subjective Experiences
You argue that there is "no comparison between ordinary people and their experiences and the prophets and God’s true revelation to them." While prophets hold a unique status in Islam, this does not negate the validity of subjective spiritual experiences in other traditions. Dismissing such experiences outright avoids engaging with my critique regarding the Subjective GOD Model (SGM), which posits that personal divined encounters are meaningful to the individual experiencing them.
Further, your defense of Islamic miracles like Isra and Mi’raj contrasts with your dismissal of non-Islamic spiritual experiences. This selective validation creates inconsistency in your argument.
________________________________________
4. Red Herring: Christian Practices and Statues
Your emphasis on statues and images in Christian worship does not address the critique at hand. While some Christian denominations include icons in their traditions, others do not, and these practices are not universally representative. More importantly, this point distracts from the central issues raised in my original response about selective interpretations of scripture and spiritual inclusivity.
________________________________________
5. Hasty Generalization: Christian Ethics
You claim that Christians "openly" engage in behaviors like usury, adultery, and gambling and attribute them to Christ. This sweeping generalization ignores the diverse interpretations and practices within Christianity. Many Christian denominations explicitly condemn such behaviors, and your statement misrepresents their teachings.
________________________________________
6. Genetic Fallacy: Cultural Context of Islam
Your argument about the oppressive systems during Muhammad’s time emphasizes the societal reforms he brought. While these reforms are historically significant, the truth of Islam’s theological claims cannot rest solely on its cultural impact. This argument commits the genetic fallacy, suggesting that Islam's origin in a specific historical context validates its spiritual authority.
________________________________________
7. Straw Man: Biblical Taboos
You state that "the Bible does not prohibit" certain taboos, implying that Christianity condones behaviors like adultery and usury. This misrepresents the Bible and Christian ethics, which include strong moral guidelines against such behaviors. A fair critique would engage with actual Christian teachings, rather than oversimplified interpretations.
________________________________________
8. Ad Hominem: Christians Deceived by the Devil
Your assertion that "Christians are deceived by the devil" is not a substantive argument. It attacks the character of Christians rather than addressing the theological points under discussion. A meaningful dialogue requires respect and engagement with the beliefs of others, not dismissive judgments.
________________________________________
9. False Dilemma: Qur'an as the Sole Corrective Text
You present the Qur'an as the only preserved and authoritative scripture, dismissing all others as corrupted. This creates a false dilemma by assuming that spiritual value can only exist in one text. Billions of people find profound meaning and divined inspiration in other scriptures, even if their historical authenticity differs from that of the Qur'an.
________________________________________
10. Circular Reasoning: Qur'an's Infallibility
You state that "the Qur’an is a revelation and the word of God, infallible from error." This assumes the conclusion you are trying to prove—that the Qur'an is infallible because it is the word of God—without providing independent evidence. This circular reasoning undermines the argument's validity.
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Final Thoughts
To engage in meaningful dialogue, it is essential to address critiques directly rather than sidestepping them or relying on logical fallacies. While I understand you have beliefs re the arguments you’ve presented, the points above highlight areas where your response fails to substantively engage with my critiques. I encourage you to consider these points and approach the discussion with a commitment to examining diverse perspectives fairly.
If you wish to provide specific written evidence for your claims—such as the scientific miracles in the Qur'an—I am open to reviewing them. However, general references without detail or videos expecting others to make time to watch these, do not constitute a meaningful defense of your argument.
An immaterial nothing creating a material something is as logically sound as square circles and married bachelors.
Unjustified Fact Claim(UFC) example - belief (of any sort) based on personal subjective experience. (Belief-based belief)
Justified Fact Claim(JFC) Example, The Earth is spherical in shape. (Knowledge-based belief)
Irrefutable Fact Claim (IFC) Example Humans in general experience some level of self-awareness. (Knowledge-based knowledge)
Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts
Post #162God is only the Father
Christ is the Messenger of God
The Holy Spirit is an angel to transmit revelation to the prophets
“Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.
17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
18Then Jesus came to them and said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them inthe name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.’”
Matthew 28:16-20
Now let us discuss these verses which are inserted into the text and are not original to it.
Dr. Munqidh al-Saqqaar (may Allah guide him) said:
The first criticism that may be directed towards this passage is that despite its importance, it is not mentioned in the other three Gospels which all narrate the story of Christ entering Jerusalem riding on a donkey. Is his riding on the donkey more important than mentioning the trinity, which is not mentioned by anyone apart from Matthew?
Indeed, the final chapter of the Gospel of Mark mentions the advice that he gave to the disciples, but it does not mention the trinity that is mentioned only in Matthew, as Mark says:
“He said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.
16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned’”
Mark 16:15
This indicates that the idea of the trinity has been inserted and is not original.
This passage is something that has been added, according to the views of Western scholars also:
1.
Wells says: “It is not proof that the disciples of Christ embraced belief in the Trinity.”
2.
Adolf Harnack says in his book The History of Dogma:
“This concept of trinity which speaks of the “Father, Son and Holy Spirit” is something strange that was never uttered on Christ’s lips. It did not exist at the time of the Apostles. … Moreover, it was never mentioned until a later stage in the development of Christian teachings and Christ never spoke of it when he was preaching and teaching after he rose from the dead. Paul knew nothing of that either, because he did not quote anything that he attributed to Christ that urged spreading Christianity among other nations.”
3.
The fact that this idea was not an original one is confirmed by Bible scholars and historians of Christianity, as was stated by Archbishop Cyril Salim Bustros -- the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Baalbek and environs -- who said:
“The Bible scholars think it most likely that this injunction which the Gospel says was spoken by Jesus did not come from Jesus himself; rather it was the formula spoken to prepare people for Baptism in Greek society. Baptism in the early years of Christianity was given ‘in the name of Jesus Christ’ [Acts 2:38; 10:48] or ‘in the name of the Lord Jesus’ [Acts 8:16; 19:5]. Hence historians regard it as more likely that the Trinitarian baptismal formula was a brief summary for preparing for baptism. Thus they went further and included with the name of Jesus ‘God the Father and the Holy Spirit’.”
Al-Laahoot al-Maseehi wa’l-Insaan al-Mu‘aasir (Christian Divinity and Modern Man), Archbishop Cyrille Salim Bustros, 2/48
4.
When the historian Eusebius of Caesarea quoted this passage from the Gospel of Matthew, he did not mention therein “the Father” or “the Holy Spirit”; rather he said: “They went to all nations to spread the Gospel, relying on the power of Christ who said to them: ‘Go and teach all nations in my name.’”
Tareekh al-Kaneesah (Ecclesiastical History), Eusebius of Caesarea, p. 100
5.
Another matter that confirms that is the fact that in the recently-discovered Hebrew manuscript of the Gospel of Matthew -- which was originally written in Hebrew -- this text is not present. This was regarded by Dr G. Reckart, Professor of Theology at the Apostolic Theological Bible College of Kaufman, Texas, as definitive evidence that this text has been added to the Gospel of Matthew. He said: “The Catholic Church has willingly lied about Matthew 28:19 and the Catholics in general (including the Eastern Orthodox) have lied to the world. Everyone who was baptized with this false baptism has died lost and without salvation.”
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Christ is the Messenger of God
The Holy Spirit is an angel to transmit revelation to the prophets
“Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.
17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
18Then Jesus came to them and said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them inthe name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.’”
Matthew 28:16-20
Now let us discuss these verses which are inserted into the text and are not original to it.
Dr. Munqidh al-Saqqaar (may Allah guide him) said:
The first criticism that may be directed towards this passage is that despite its importance, it is not mentioned in the other three Gospels which all narrate the story of Christ entering Jerusalem riding on a donkey. Is his riding on the donkey more important than mentioning the trinity, which is not mentioned by anyone apart from Matthew?
Indeed, the final chapter of the Gospel of Mark mentions the advice that he gave to the disciples, but it does not mention the trinity that is mentioned only in Matthew, as Mark says:
“He said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.
16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned’”
Mark 16:15
This indicates that the idea of the trinity has been inserted and is not original.
This passage is something that has been added, according to the views of Western scholars also:
1.
Wells says: “It is not proof that the disciples of Christ embraced belief in the Trinity.”
2.
Adolf Harnack says in his book The History of Dogma:
“This concept of trinity which speaks of the “Father, Son and Holy Spirit” is something strange that was never uttered on Christ’s lips. It did not exist at the time of the Apostles. … Moreover, it was never mentioned until a later stage in the development of Christian teachings and Christ never spoke of it when he was preaching and teaching after he rose from the dead. Paul knew nothing of that either, because he did not quote anything that he attributed to Christ that urged spreading Christianity among other nations.”
3.
The fact that this idea was not an original one is confirmed by Bible scholars and historians of Christianity, as was stated by Archbishop Cyril Salim Bustros -- the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Baalbek and environs -- who said:
“The Bible scholars think it most likely that this injunction which the Gospel says was spoken by Jesus did not come from Jesus himself; rather it was the formula spoken to prepare people for Baptism in Greek society. Baptism in the early years of Christianity was given ‘in the name of Jesus Christ’ [Acts 2:38; 10:48] or ‘in the name of the Lord Jesus’ [Acts 8:16; 19:5]. Hence historians regard it as more likely that the Trinitarian baptismal formula was a brief summary for preparing for baptism. Thus they went further and included with the name of Jesus ‘God the Father and the Holy Spirit’.”
Al-Laahoot al-Maseehi wa’l-Insaan al-Mu‘aasir (Christian Divinity and Modern Man), Archbishop Cyrille Salim Bustros, 2/48
4.
When the historian Eusebius of Caesarea quoted this passage from the Gospel of Matthew, he did not mention therein “the Father” or “the Holy Spirit”; rather he said: “They went to all nations to spread the Gospel, relying on the power of Christ who said to them: ‘Go and teach all nations in my name.’”
Tareekh al-Kaneesah (Ecclesiastical History), Eusebius of Caesarea, p. 100
5.
Another matter that confirms that is the fact that in the recently-discovered Hebrew manuscript of the Gospel of Matthew -- which was originally written in Hebrew -- this text is not present. This was regarded by Dr G. Reckart, Professor of Theology at the Apostolic Theological Bible College of Kaufman, Texas, as definitive evidence that this text has been added to the Gospel of Matthew. He said: “The Catholic Church has willingly lied about Matthew 28:19 and the Catholics in general (including the Eastern Orthodox) have lied to the world. Everyone who was baptized with this false baptism has died lost and without salvation.”
http://www.jesus-messiah.com/apologetic ... proof.html
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/148661/ ... ing-muslim
Dr Zakir Naik uses Bible to prove Trinity is a Lie
Delete the Trinity from the Bible - Ahmed Didat
Trinity does not exist in the Bible ** Sheikh Ahmed Deedat
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Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts
Post #163Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon himworshiped God (the Father) alone, like Christ and all the prophets before him
Therefore, the prophets lived spiritually with the true God.
The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, had scientific miracles that scientists have proven to be true.
And non-scientific miracles that have historical proofs and witnesses.
Indeed, these scientific and non-scientific miracles have occurred in the past and present, as attested by scientists.
The Qur’an is a revelation and the word of God, infallible from error
There is no comparison between ordinary people and their experiences and the prophets and God’s true revelation to them.
Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him despised false worship to any man-made gods or images or anything in creation as a god. He hated all of the complexities and degradation to which it leads.
This is in direct obedience to the second commandment in the mentioned verses, "Thou shalt not make any graven images."
But we find pictures and statues in churches, and some Christians prostrate to the statue of Jesus and prostrate to the statue of Mary
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, performed these same ceremonies in worship to what we find the prophets doing before him, bowing to toward the ground and prostrating (falling on the face) while praying and worshipping.
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, never drank alcohol or strong drink, even though it was a very normal thing for people of his time and place.
"O you believers! Intoxicating drinks, gambling, fortune telling, etc. is the hated work of the devil. So stay away from all of that horrible stuff, that you will be successful."
Worshiping God is pride and victory in itself and in it there is equality between all people
Muslims worship God who created everything. Allah forbids us from worshiping anything else (e.g. statues, the sun, moon, Jinn , Angels ,saints, priests or even Prophets). He does not need any partners or intermediaries. Everyone can always worship God .directly.
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) lived in the desert in Saudi Arabia
Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) lived in Palestine
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the time of our Prophet (S), human beings were living under all kinds of oppressive systems. J.H. Denison aptly sums up the miserable human condition prevailing at that time:
“It seemed then the great civilization that it had taken four thousand years to construct was on the verge of disintegration, and that mankind was likely to return to that condition of barbarism where every tribe and sect was against the next, and law and order were unknown…. Civilization… rotted to the core, riven by the storms of war, and held together only by cords of ancient customs and laws, that might snap at any moment. Was there any emotional culture that could be brought in, to gather mankind once more into unity and to save civilization? ... That such a culture should have arisen from Arabia just at the time when it was most needed.” [J. H. Denison, Emotion as the Basis of Civilization, pp. 267-268]
The Prophet mohmmed(S) liberated human beings from these oppressions and opened the door of true freedom for humanity. The Prophet’s mission (and therefore his Sunnah) was to establish the unity of humankind (2:213). This was a necessary consequence of the belief in the unity of God (112:1). The Prophet (S) did not achieve this high goal by rituals and dogmas alone. Nor did he accomplish it by supernatural means. He (S) and his companions (R) persevered and struggled to create social and political change through Quranic education and training. They challenged the secular, tribal, and temporal forces of exploitation and corruption. They torched the path to freedom by removing the chains placed on human beings by these forces: “… lift[ed] from them their burdens and the shackles that were upon them...” (7:157). This struggle of our Prophet (S) and Sahaba (R) gave unimagined freedom to oppressed human beings. Thus the darkest period in human history (quotation from Denison) was turned into a most enlightened one.
God revealed the Qur'an to the Prophet Muhammad to correct the previous books
God forbids usury, adultery, alcohol, gambling, pork, incest,
However, we find in the Bible that these calamities are not prohibited in some parts of it
And Christians do it openly and attribute it to Christ and they are not ashamed
Christians are deceived by the devil
Because their book contains these taboos
But the Qur'an forbids that
The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, who ordered the abandonment of usury, adultery, alcohol, gambling, pork, and incest.
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Therefore, the prophets lived spiritually with the true God.
The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, had scientific miracles that scientists have proven to be true.
And non-scientific miracles that have historical proofs and witnesses.
Indeed, these scientific and non-scientific miracles have occurred in the past and present, as attested by scientists.
The Qur’an is a revelation and the word of God, infallible from error
There is no comparison between ordinary people and their experiences and the prophets and God’s true revelation to them.
Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him despised false worship to any man-made gods or images or anything in creation as a god. He hated all of the complexities and degradation to which it leads.
This is in direct obedience to the second commandment in the mentioned verses, "Thou shalt not make any graven images."
But we find pictures and statues in churches, and some Christians prostrate to the statue of Jesus and prostrate to the statue of Mary
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, performed these same ceremonies in worship to what we find the prophets doing before him, bowing to toward the ground and prostrating (falling on the face) while praying and worshipping.
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, never drank alcohol or strong drink, even though it was a very normal thing for people of his time and place.
"O you believers! Intoxicating drinks, gambling, fortune telling, etc. is the hated work of the devil. So stay away from all of that horrible stuff, that you will be successful."
Worshiping God is pride and victory in itself and in it there is equality between all people
Muslims worship God who created everything. Allah forbids us from worshiping anything else (e.g. statues, the sun, moon, Jinn , Angels ,saints, priests or even Prophets). He does not need any partners or intermediaries. Everyone can always worship God .directly.
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) lived in the desert in Saudi Arabia
Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) lived in Palestine
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the time of our Prophet (S), human beings were living under all kinds of oppressive systems. J.H. Denison aptly sums up the miserable human condition prevailing at that time:
“It seemed then the great civilization that it had taken four thousand years to construct was on the verge of disintegration, and that mankind was likely to return to that condition of barbarism where every tribe and sect was against the next, and law and order were unknown…. Civilization… rotted to the core, riven by the storms of war, and held together only by cords of ancient customs and laws, that might snap at any moment. Was there any emotional culture that could be brought in, to gather mankind once more into unity and to save civilization? ... That such a culture should have arisen from Arabia just at the time when it was most needed.” [J. H. Denison, Emotion as the Basis of Civilization, pp. 267-268]
The Prophet mohmmed(S) liberated human beings from these oppressions and opened the door of true freedom for humanity. The Prophet’s mission (and therefore his Sunnah) was to establish the unity of humankind (2:213). This was a necessary consequence of the belief in the unity of God (112:1). The Prophet (S) did not achieve this high goal by rituals and dogmas alone. Nor did he accomplish it by supernatural means. He (S) and his companions (R) persevered and struggled to create social and political change through Quranic education and training. They challenged the secular, tribal, and temporal forces of exploitation and corruption. They torched the path to freedom by removing the chains placed on human beings by these forces: “… lift[ed] from them their burdens and the shackles that were upon them...” (7:157). This struggle of our Prophet (S) and Sahaba (R) gave unimagined freedom to oppressed human beings. Thus the darkest period in human history (quotation from Denison) was turned into a most enlightened one.
God revealed the Qur'an to the Prophet Muhammad to correct the previous books
God forbids usury, adultery, alcohol, gambling, pork, incest,
However, we find in the Bible that these calamities are not prohibited in some parts of it
And Christians do it openly and attribute it to Christ and they are not ashamed
Christians are deceived by the devil
Because their book contains these taboos
But the Qur'an forbids that
The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, who ordered the abandonment of usury, adultery, alcohol, gambling, pork, and incest.
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The responses continue to employ a variety of logical fallacies and fails to address the critiques raised in your original argument. Below is a breakdown of the fallacies and problematic reasoning present in this text, mapped to your prior points for clarity:
1. Equivocation: Conflation of Monotheism Across Traditions
Fallacy Reiterated: The assertion that Prophet Muhammad worshipped "God (the Father) alone, like Christ and all the prophets before him" continues to conflate Islamic and Christian conceptions of God. This ignores the Trinity in Christianity, which explicitly differentiates Christian monotheism from Islamic monotheism. The distinction is significant and remains unaddressed.
2. Appeal to Authority: Scientific Claims About the Qur'an
Fallacy Reiterated: The response reiterates the claim that the Qur'an contains scientific miracles and that "scientists have proven them to be true," without presenting any specific, verifiable evidence. Simply asserting that miracles have been attested by scientists, without naming the scientists, studies, or evidence, does not fulfill the burden of proof.
3. False Analogy: Prophets vs. Subjective Experiences
Fallacy Reiterated: The response dismisses subjective spiritual experiences of non-Islamic traditions by emphasizing the uniqueness of prophetic revelation. This ignores the critique that personal spiritual encounters have intrinsic value within their respective contexts and that dismissing them entirely is inconsistent. The response does not substantively engage with this critique.
4. Red Herring: Christian Practices and Statues
Fallacy Reiterated: Criticism of Christian use of statues and icons is irrelevant to the theological critique. This distracts from the main argument by focusing on practices rather than engaging with doctrinal or scriptural points directly.
5. Hasty Generalization: Christian Ethics
Fallacy Reiterated: The response repeats the claim that Christians "openly" engage in behaviors like usury, adultery, and gambling. This remains a sweeping generalization that fails to acknowledge the diversity of Christian teachings and practices. No evidence is provided to substantiate the claim.
6. Genetic Fallacy: Cultural Context of Islam
Fallacy Reiterated: The argument emphasizes the societal reforms brought by Prophet Muhammad as evidence of Islam’s theological truth. This continues to commit the genetic fallacy by conflating the positive impact of these reforms with the validity of spiritual claims.
7. Straw Man: Biblical Taboos
Fallacy Reiterated: The response again misrepresents the Bible by implying it condones behaviors like usury and adultery. This distorts Christian teachings, which include clear moral prohibitions against such behaviors.
8. Ad Hominem: Christians Deceived by the Devil
Fallacy Reiterated: The statement "Christians are deceived by the devil" is repeated. This remains an ad hominem attack that fails to engage with theological points or provide substantive evidence.
9. False Dilemma: Qur'an as the Sole Corrective Text
Fallacy Reiterated: The response reiterates that the Qur'an is the only preserved and authoritative scripture, dismissing all others as corrupted. This continues to create a false dilemma by excluding the possibility of spiritual value or truth in other scriptures.
10. Circular Reasoning: Qur'an's Infallibility
Fallacy Reiterated: The assertion that the Qur'an is "the word of God, infallible from error" remains unsupported. The claim is restated without providing independent evidence, continuing the circular reasoning from the initial response.
New Logical Fallacies and Issues Identified:
Selective Citation:
The claim that the Trinitarian formula in Matthew 28:19 is a later addition relies heavily on selective citations of scholars and alternative texts. These arguments may be valid within a specific academic debate, but they require a broader contextual analysis and corroborating evidence. The response does not engage with mainstream scholarly consensus on these verses.
Argument from Authority:
Quoting specific scholars (e.g., Adolf Harnack, G. Reckart) without providing a balanced view of the broader scholarly landscape introduces bias. Appeals to authority should be substantiated with context and recognition of differing perspectives.
Unsupported Historical Claims:
Statements about the historical conditions during Muhammad’s time and the societal impact of Islam are used to bolster theological claims without connecting them logically to the argument's main premise. While the societal impact is historically significant, it is not inherently proof of divine origin.
Double Standard:
The response dismisses the Trinity as a theological concept while claiming the legitimacy of Islamic doctrines that are equally reliant on faith and tradition. This creates a double standard by rejecting Christian theology for reasons that could also critique Islamic theology.
Conclusion
The responses fail to address the critiques substantively and reiterates many of the same logical fallacies identified earlier. It sidesteps engagement with key theological distinctions, relies on unsupported assertions, and introduces additional fallacies such as selective citation and arguments from authority. This pattern suggests a lack of genuine engagement with the original critique and reinforces the importance of addressing logical inconsistencies to facilitate meaningful dialogue.
The responses continue to employ a variety of logical fallacies and fails to address the critiques raised in your original argument. Below is a breakdown of the fallacies and problematic reasoning present in this text, mapped to your prior points for clarity:
1. Equivocation: Conflation of Monotheism Across Traditions
Fallacy Reiterated: The assertion that Prophet Muhammad worshipped "God (the Father) alone, like Christ and all the prophets before him" continues to conflate Islamic and Christian conceptions of God. This ignores the Trinity in Christianity, which explicitly differentiates Christian monotheism from Islamic monotheism. The distinction is significant and remains unaddressed.
2. Appeal to Authority: Scientific Claims About the Qur'an
Fallacy Reiterated: The response reiterates the claim that the Qur'an contains scientific miracles and that "scientists have proven them to be true," without presenting any specific, verifiable evidence. Simply asserting that miracles have been attested by scientists, without naming the scientists, studies, or evidence, does not fulfill the burden of proof.
3. False Analogy: Prophets vs. Subjective Experiences
Fallacy Reiterated: The response dismisses subjective spiritual experiences of non-Islamic traditions by emphasizing the uniqueness of prophetic revelation. This ignores the critique that personal spiritual encounters have intrinsic value within their respective contexts and that dismissing them entirely is inconsistent. The response does not substantively engage with this critique.
4. Red Herring: Christian Practices and Statues
Fallacy Reiterated: Criticism of Christian use of statues and icons is irrelevant to the theological critique. This distracts from the main argument by focusing on practices rather than engaging with doctrinal or scriptural points directly.
5. Hasty Generalization: Christian Ethics
Fallacy Reiterated: The response repeats the claim that Christians "openly" engage in behaviors like usury, adultery, and gambling. This remains a sweeping generalization that fails to acknowledge the diversity of Christian teachings and practices. No evidence is provided to substantiate the claim.
6. Genetic Fallacy: Cultural Context of Islam
Fallacy Reiterated: The argument emphasizes the societal reforms brought by Prophet Muhammad as evidence of Islam’s theological truth. This continues to commit the genetic fallacy by conflating the positive impact of these reforms with the validity of spiritual claims.
7. Straw Man: Biblical Taboos
Fallacy Reiterated: The response again misrepresents the Bible by implying it condones behaviors like usury and adultery. This distorts Christian teachings, which include clear moral prohibitions against such behaviors.
8. Ad Hominem: Christians Deceived by the Devil
Fallacy Reiterated: The statement "Christians are deceived by the devil" is repeated. This remains an ad hominem attack that fails to engage with theological points or provide substantive evidence.
9. False Dilemma: Qur'an as the Sole Corrective Text
Fallacy Reiterated: The response reiterates that the Qur'an is the only preserved and authoritative scripture, dismissing all others as corrupted. This continues to create a false dilemma by excluding the possibility of spiritual value or truth in other scriptures.
10. Circular Reasoning: Qur'an's Infallibility
Fallacy Reiterated: The assertion that the Qur'an is "the word of God, infallible from error" remains unsupported. The claim is restated without providing independent evidence, continuing the circular reasoning from the initial response.
New Logical Fallacies and Issues Identified:
Selective Citation:
The claim that the Trinitarian formula in Matthew 28:19 is a later addition relies heavily on selective citations of scholars and alternative texts. These arguments may be valid within a specific academic debate, but they require a broader contextual analysis and corroborating evidence. The response does not engage with mainstream scholarly consensus on these verses.
Argument from Authority:
Quoting specific scholars (e.g., Adolf Harnack, G. Reckart) without providing a balanced view of the broader scholarly landscape introduces bias. Appeals to authority should be substantiated with context and recognition of differing perspectives.
Unsupported Historical Claims:
Statements about the historical conditions during Muhammad’s time and the societal impact of Islam are used to bolster theological claims without connecting them logically to the argument's main premise. While the societal impact is historically significant, it is not inherently proof of divine origin.
Double Standard:
The response dismisses the Trinity as a theological concept while claiming the legitimacy of Islamic doctrines that are equally reliant on faith and tradition. This creates a double standard by rejecting Christian theology for reasons that could also critique Islamic theology.
Conclusion
The responses fail to address the critiques substantively and reiterates many of the same logical fallacies identified earlier. It sidesteps engagement with key theological distinctions, relies on unsupported assertions, and introduces additional fallacies such as selective citation and arguments from authority. This pattern suggests a lack of genuine engagement with the original critique and reinforces the importance of addressing logical inconsistencies to facilitate meaningful dialogue.
An immaterial nothing creating a material something is as logically sound as square circles and married bachelors.
Unjustified Fact Claim(UFC) example - belief (of any sort) based on personal subjective experience. (Belief-based belief)
Justified Fact Claim(JFC) Example, The Earth is spherical in shape. (Knowledge-based belief)
Irrefutable Fact Claim (IFC) Example Humans in general experience some level of self-awareness. (Knowledge-based knowledge)
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Post #165The Prophet Muhammad ﷺ : A Role Model for Humanity
the characteristics of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ , the final messenger of Allah in Islam, is revered as a role model for humanity. His life and teachings provide invaluable guidance for Muslims and serve as an inspiration for people of all backgrounds.
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ remains an exceptional role model for all of humanity. His life exemplifies compassion, honesty, justice, humility, and perseverance. His teachings encourage forgiveness, tolerance, and the pursuit of knowledge. Muslims and non-Muslims alike can draw inspiration from his life and apply his teachings to become better individuals and contribute positively to society. Following in the footsteps of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ leads to a path of compassion, integrity, and righteousness, making the world a better place for all.
Compassion and Mercy:
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was known for his compassion and mercy towards all living beings. He treated people with kindness, regardless of their social status or beliefs. His caring nature extended to animals as well, emphasizing the importance of showing compassion to all of Allah’s creation.
Honesty and Integrity:
Throughout his life, Prophet Muhammad ﷺ exemplified honesty and integrity in his actions and words. He was known as “Al-Amin” (the trustworthy) among his people, and even before his prophethood, he was known for his honesty and fairness in business dealings.
Justice and Fairness:
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ upheld justice and fairness in all aspects of life. He treated everyone with equal respect and ensured that justice was served, even when it meant going against the interests of powerful individuals.
Humility and Modesty:
Despite his profound wisdom and status as a prophet, Prophet Muhammad ﷺ remained humble and approachable. He did not seek worldly riches or status and lived a simple and modest life.
Patience and Perseverance:
Throughout his mission as a prophet, Prophet Muhammad ﷺ faced numerous challenges and hardships. However, he demonstrated immense patience and perseverance in spreading the message of Islam, never giving up despite the obstacles he encountered.
Forgiveness and Tolerance:
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ forgave even his harshest critics and enemies. He emphasized the importance of forgiveness and encouraged Muslims to be tolerant and understanding towards others.
Love for Learning and Knowledge:
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ emphasized the value of seeking knowledge and learning throughout life. His love for knowledge and education set an example for Muslims to prioritize education and continuous learning.
https://thenoor.co/blog/the-prophet-muh ... -humanity/
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the characteristics of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ , the final messenger of Allah in Islam, is revered as a role model for humanity. His life and teachings provide invaluable guidance for Muslims and serve as an inspiration for people of all backgrounds.
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ remains an exceptional role model for all of humanity. His life exemplifies compassion, honesty, justice, humility, and perseverance. His teachings encourage forgiveness, tolerance, and the pursuit of knowledge. Muslims and non-Muslims alike can draw inspiration from his life and apply his teachings to become better individuals and contribute positively to society. Following in the footsteps of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ leads to a path of compassion, integrity, and righteousness, making the world a better place for all.
Compassion and Mercy:
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was known for his compassion and mercy towards all living beings. He treated people with kindness, regardless of their social status or beliefs. His caring nature extended to animals as well, emphasizing the importance of showing compassion to all of Allah’s creation.
Honesty and Integrity:
Throughout his life, Prophet Muhammad ﷺ exemplified honesty and integrity in his actions and words. He was known as “Al-Amin” (the trustworthy) among his people, and even before his prophethood, he was known for his honesty and fairness in business dealings.
Justice and Fairness:
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ upheld justice and fairness in all aspects of life. He treated everyone with equal respect and ensured that justice was served, even when it meant going against the interests of powerful individuals.
Humility and Modesty:
Despite his profound wisdom and status as a prophet, Prophet Muhammad ﷺ remained humble and approachable. He did not seek worldly riches or status and lived a simple and modest life.
Patience and Perseverance:
Throughout his mission as a prophet, Prophet Muhammad ﷺ faced numerous challenges and hardships. However, he demonstrated immense patience and perseverance in spreading the message of Islam, never giving up despite the obstacles he encountered.
Forgiveness and Tolerance:
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ forgave even his harshest critics and enemies. He emphasized the importance of forgiveness and encouraged Muslims to be tolerant and understanding towards others.
Love for Learning and Knowledge:
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ emphasized the value of seeking knowledge and learning throughout life. His love for knowledge and education set an example for Muslims to prioritize education and continuous learning.
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Post #166Thank you for sharing your perspective on the exemplary qualities of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ. His compassion, humility, and dedication to justice are indeed traits that many find inspiring and seek to emulate in their own lives.
Refocusing on the Core Argument
However, while these qualities are admirable and universally respected, they do not address the critiques raised in my earlier post. My initial points were not about denying the moral character of the Prophet but about examining the theological and logical foundations of the claims made in your prior argument. Specifically, issues like the conflation of Islamic and Christian monotheism, appeals to authority, and unsupported assertions about the Qur'an’s infallibility remain unresolved.
Universal Values vs. Theological Claims
While Prophet Muhammad ﷺ’s life provides valuable lessons on how to live ethically, the question remains whether these virtues alone substantiate theological exclusivity or the assertion that Islam is the sole correct path. If the argument hinges on his role as a universal role model, it would need to engage with the critiques raised about the Qur'an’s divined origin, the dismissal of other traditions, and the logical fallacies I outlined earlier.
Invitation to Meaningful Dialogue
I would welcome a deeper engagement with these points. How do we reconcile the universal virtues shared by many spiritual leaders with the theological exclusivity claimed in prior arguments? Furthermore, how does one address the logical critiques of the exclusivity of the Qur'an’s authority without resorting to circular reasoning?
Refocusing on the Core Argument
However, while these qualities are admirable and universally respected, they do not address the critiques raised in my earlier post. My initial points were not about denying the moral character of the Prophet but about examining the theological and logical foundations of the claims made in your prior argument. Specifically, issues like the conflation of Islamic and Christian monotheism, appeals to authority, and unsupported assertions about the Qur'an’s infallibility remain unresolved.
Universal Values vs. Theological Claims
While Prophet Muhammad ﷺ’s life provides valuable lessons on how to live ethically, the question remains whether these virtues alone substantiate theological exclusivity or the assertion that Islam is the sole correct path. If the argument hinges on his role as a universal role model, it would need to engage with the critiques raised about the Qur'an’s divined origin, the dismissal of other traditions, and the logical fallacies I outlined earlier.
Invitation to Meaningful Dialogue
I would welcome a deeper engagement with these points. How do we reconcile the universal virtues shared by many spiritual leaders with the theological exclusivity claimed in prior arguments? Furthermore, how does one address the logical critiques of the exclusivity of the Qur'an’s authority without resorting to circular reasoning?
An immaterial nothing creating a material something is as logically sound as square circles and married bachelors.
Unjustified Fact Claim(UFC) example - belief (of any sort) based on personal subjective experience. (Belief-based belief)
Justified Fact Claim(JFC) Example, The Earth is spherical in shape. (Knowledge-based belief)
Irrefutable Fact Claim (IFC) Example Humans in general experience some level of self-awareness. (Knowledge-based knowledge)
Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts
Post #167if anyone would like to question the quran, he/she has the freedom to prove one of its statements to be false. A lot of geographical, scientific, astronomical and historic statements...... etc have been made in the quran.
All they have to do is prove otherwise.
However, history is proof that the best of scientists, historians, doctors and philisophers could not prove a single statement false.
"And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to our servant, then produce a chapter like it, and call upon your helpers beside Allah if you are truthful."
Here we have a test which proves that it is not humanly possible to produce a chapter like the Qur'an and proves so by challenging all of those who doubt so to prove so by trying to produce a chapter like the Qur'an. For when trying to produce a chapter like the Qur'an, the skeptic will learn first-hand that such a thing is humanly impossible to do.
That means that the Qur'an is not the invention of any human but must come from a higher power and authority greater than humans, and that is Allah. Do the skeptics still disagree? Then take the challenge and prove differently. When the challengers fail, because they will, this will help to demonstrate that the Qur’an is of divine origin as proven by the scientific method itself because it provides a hands-on eyewitness account that producing something like the Qur’an is humanly impossible. If you read this, and you yourself disagree, then take the challenge and prove differently.
Therefore, since the Qur'an is true and of divine origin and God does exist and originated the universe and life itself, then the Qur'an is reliable in it's claim that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah and Allah is the originator of creation, including the universe and life itself since it is confirmed that the Qur'an speaks the truth.
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Scientists' comments on Quran
https://www.islamicity.org/5437/scienti ... -on-quran/
معجزات القرءان الكريم أذهلت العالم وأخطاء كتاب النصارى
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How the Bible was corrupted by Dr. Bart Ehrman YouTube
All they have to do is prove otherwise.
However, history is proof that the best of scientists, historians, doctors and philisophers could not prove a single statement false.
"And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to our servant, then produce a chapter like it, and call upon your helpers beside Allah if you are truthful."
Here we have a test which proves that it is not humanly possible to produce a chapter like the Qur'an and proves so by challenging all of those who doubt so to prove so by trying to produce a chapter like the Qur'an. For when trying to produce a chapter like the Qur'an, the skeptic will learn first-hand that such a thing is humanly impossible to do.
That means that the Qur'an is not the invention of any human but must come from a higher power and authority greater than humans, and that is Allah. Do the skeptics still disagree? Then take the challenge and prove differently. When the challengers fail, because they will, this will help to demonstrate that the Qur’an is of divine origin as proven by the scientific method itself because it provides a hands-on eyewitness account that producing something like the Qur’an is humanly impossible. If you read this, and you yourself disagree, then take the challenge and prove differently.
Therefore, since the Qur'an is true and of divine origin and God does exist and originated the universe and life itself, then the Qur'an is reliable in it's claim that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah and Allah is the originator of creation, including the universe and life itself since it is confirmed that the Qur'an speaks the truth.
see here
You will be shocked
Debate: Dr. Zakir Naik vs. Dr William Campbell - The Quran and the Bible in the Light of Science
حمزة تزورتزيس يدافع عن النبي في ركن المتحدثين | Speakers Corner | Hyde Park
Scientists' comments on Quran
https://www.islamicity.org/5437/scienti ... -on-quran/
معجزات القرءان الكريم أذهلت العالم وأخطاء كتاب النصارى
القرآن يذهل العالم ويكشف 10 أسرار تاريخية عن الفراعنة ومصر القديمة لم تُكتشف إلا حديثاً
How the Bible was corrupted by Dr. Bart Ehrman YouTube
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Post #168Many people judge the Quran without having studied it.
They do not know the precepts of the Quran, the rules of the Quran, nor the language of the Quran, the Arabic language.
They do not know the wisdom, the purpose and the truth of the law of God in His decisions in the Quran.
It is possible that the translation of the Quran is often incorrect.
They obtain their information about Islam from sites hostile to Islam or from the customs and traditions of people who have nothing to do with Islam.
The internet is full of them.
Some of them are mercenaries paid by the Church and carry out a program prepared in advance with false and low suspicions about Islam.
It is better and more correct to study Islam in specialized Islamic centers.
Therefore, my advice to you, dear reader, is to judge for yourself by studying the Quran in specialized Islamic centers
How the Bible Led Me to Islam: The Story of a Former Christian Youth Minister - Joshua Evans
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They do not know the precepts of the Quran, the rules of the Quran, nor the language of the Quran, the Arabic language.
They do not know the wisdom, the purpose and the truth of the law of God in His decisions in the Quran.
It is possible that the translation of the Quran is often incorrect.
They obtain their information about Islam from sites hostile to Islam or from the customs and traditions of people who have nothing to do with Islam.
The internet is full of them.
Some of them are mercenaries paid by the Church and carry out a program prepared in advance with false and low suspicions about Islam.
It is better and more correct to study Islam in specialized Islamic centers.
Therefore, my advice to you, dear reader, is to judge for yourself by studying the Quran in specialized Islamic centers
How the Bible Led Me to Islam: The Story of a Former Christian Youth Minister - Joshua Evans
Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) VS Joseph Smith of The Mormon Church
Is the Qur'an God's Word? by Dr Zakir Naik | Full Lecture
Secrets of The Scrolls | Dead Sea Scrolls | Paul Williams
Orthodox Corruption of Scripture-Book Review by Paul Williams
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Post #169Christians often claim that Islam was spread by force, while Christianity was spread by faith. This myth propagated by these Christians has been sufficiently refuted . In reality, Christianity certainly did not spread by faith and in peace, this was true from the start, but very quickly it was the Christians who were going to impose their faith under duress, this with the help of the emperors. and the great bishops.
In early Christianity, as Christians were not powerful, they were forced to limit themselves to simple conversions, as the Romans persecuted them. However, once Christianity has been declared a state religion, the opposite will happen:
From the fourth century, the change in attitude of political power radically modified the conditions for Christian expansion: Christianity passed from a situation in which it was outlawed, and sometimes persecuted, to a situation of freedom. , then favorably, until its main rival, paganism - or rather what we put under this term: the traditional religions received in the Roman Empire -, are themselves outlawed . Christianity will become the state religion, the Empire will officially become Christian.
The Christianity of Constantine at the Arab conquest, Pierre Maraval, Chapter 1, The religious policy of the emperors from Constantine to Heraclius and that of the barbarian kings, page 5.
we can say that Christianity, apart from the early days when it did not have many followers, then spread not by faith but by sword and constraint. It is not nothing to destroy the temples of the pagans, to forbid the practice of a faith other than that of the Catholics, to force people to be baptized, to punish apostates with death, etc. once the deception of a tolerant Christianity is refuted.
The majority of Christians and non-Christians believe that Christianity is a religion of love and tranquility which forbids violence, that Christians must be patient in the face of the sufferings they endure and that a Christian can never use violence to convert someone to Jesus.
And yet, these are just unfounded words. Who could believe that a God who ordered so much slaughter in the Old Testament would change his demeanor so as to change complement? God willing, we will demonstrate that Christianity, the NEW TESTAMENT, commands Christians to convert by force and retribution those who do not want to become Christians.
Here is a parable in which Jesus commands people to be forced to convert to Christianity
We can therefore see that the verse Luke 14.23 orders Christians to convert non-Christians by force.
Here is a parable in which Jesus commands people to be forced to convert to Christianity:
Luke 14
16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
. Also, the word compulsion which is anagkazo was used in Matthew 14.22 when Jesus compelled the disciples to get into a boat.
Forcing someone to do something against their will, #Ex 3:19. Evolving Biblical Dictionary (vers. 2).
In fact, the word anagkazo has also been used in the sense of forcing someone physically, for example, let's look at how Paul forced Christians to blaspheme
Acts 26.11
11 Many a time I went from one synagogue to another to have them punished, and I tried to force them to blaspheme. I was so obsessed with persecuting them that I even hunted them down in foreign cities.
To this the question we ask ourselves is: is this really a peaceful and wonderful religion? We think, in any case hope, that the obvious answer from everyone in their right mind, is no.
Our conclusion is that Christianity is not a peaceful religion, rather this conception is a myth, Christianity is a religion which calls for war against those who are not Christians, and which practices forced conversion
مهم لكل شاب!! ماذا يحدث لك حين تشاهد الإباحية وما هي الحلول للتخلص منها؟
مغالطات الإلحاد الغير منطقية - حوار صبور مع روب حول الإلحاد - الجزء الأول
In early Christianity, as Christians were not powerful, they were forced to limit themselves to simple conversions, as the Romans persecuted them. However, once Christianity has been declared a state religion, the opposite will happen:
From the fourth century, the change in attitude of political power radically modified the conditions for Christian expansion: Christianity passed from a situation in which it was outlawed, and sometimes persecuted, to a situation of freedom. , then favorably, until its main rival, paganism - or rather what we put under this term: the traditional religions received in the Roman Empire -, are themselves outlawed . Christianity will become the state religion, the Empire will officially become Christian.
The Christianity of Constantine at the Arab conquest, Pierre Maraval, Chapter 1, The religious policy of the emperors from Constantine to Heraclius and that of the barbarian kings, page 5.
we can say that Christianity, apart from the early days when it did not have many followers, then spread not by faith but by sword and constraint. It is not nothing to destroy the temples of the pagans, to forbid the practice of a faith other than that of the Catholics, to force people to be baptized, to punish apostates with death, etc. once the deception of a tolerant Christianity is refuted.
The majority of Christians and non-Christians believe that Christianity is a religion of love and tranquility which forbids violence, that Christians must be patient in the face of the sufferings they endure and that a Christian can never use violence to convert someone to Jesus.
And yet, these are just unfounded words. Who could believe that a God who ordered so much slaughter in the Old Testament would change his demeanor so as to change complement? God willing, we will demonstrate that Christianity, the NEW TESTAMENT, commands Christians to convert by force and retribution those who do not want to become Christians.
Here is a parable in which Jesus commands people to be forced to convert to Christianity
We can therefore see that the verse Luke 14.23 orders Christians to convert non-Christians by force.
Here is a parable in which Jesus commands people to be forced to convert to Christianity:
Luke 14
16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
. Also, the word compulsion which is anagkazo was used in Matthew 14.22 when Jesus compelled the disciples to get into a boat.
Forcing someone to do something against their will, #Ex 3:19. Evolving Biblical Dictionary (vers. 2).
In fact, the word anagkazo has also been used in the sense of forcing someone physically, for example, let's look at how Paul forced Christians to blaspheme
Acts 26.11
11 Many a time I went from one synagogue to another to have them punished, and I tried to force them to blaspheme. I was so obsessed with persecuting them that I even hunted them down in foreign cities.
To this the question we ask ourselves is: is this really a peaceful and wonderful religion? We think, in any case hope, that the obvious answer from everyone in their right mind, is no.
Our conclusion is that Christianity is not a peaceful religion, rather this conception is a myth, Christianity is a religion which calls for war against those who are not Christians, and which practices forced conversion
مهم لكل شاب!! ماذا يحدث لك حين تشاهد الإباحية وما هي الحلول للتخلص منها؟
مغالطات الإلحاد الغير منطقية - حوار صبور مع روب حول الإلحاد - الجزء الأول
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How the Bible Led Me to Islam: The Story of a Former Christian Youth Minister - Joshua Evans
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How the Bible Led Me to Islam: The Story of a Former Christian Youth Minister - Joshua Evans
