Comparing Genesis 1 with John 1

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Let’s compare Genesis 1 with John 1:

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning... John 1:1, "In the beginning..."

In the beginning what? Genesis 1, God (Elohim!)”

John 1:1 "Was the Word (Jesus) And the Word was with God (the Holy Spirit)." If ‘Word’ (speaking of Jesus) is written in upper case, then God (theos) has to also be in upper case.

So, the beginning begins with the ‘Word’ = (Jesus) and the (Holy Spirit) who is moving “Upon the surface of the waters,” with, Job 26:13, “By his (God’s) Spirit he has garnished (adorned) the heavens;”

John 1:1, "And the Word was God." Who’s the Word? John 1:14, “And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth.”

John 1: "The same (the Word) was in the beginning with God (the Holy Spirit)."

Genesis 1:1, ”In the beginning God,” the Hebrew here for God is Elohim referring to the Father, who sends his Son, and the Holy Spirit to create the heaven and earth.

John 1:3, "All things were made by Him (Jesus): and without Him was not anything made that was made."

John 1:4, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

John 1:5, "And the light (God’s glory) shineth in darkness."

Genesis 1:2, "Darkness was upon the face of the deep, and God, declared, “Let there be light." Only light exposes the darkness and brings life to the world.

History has a beginning. Therefore, a logical inference can be drawn, ‘If there were nothing in the past, there would be nothing today. Hence, God is before.”

Unlike pagan myths, philosophies, and theories, the Scriptures give a simple, concise account of creation. Scriptures bear the stamp of truth and provide a just and elevated view of God.
The idea of the word “in” means, ‘at the present time.’ Specifically, “in” this hour, minute, and very moment. “in” is limited by the word “beginning.” Therefore, when God spoke His first words, time began.

The Hebrew for ‘beginning’ is re’shiyth, whereas the Greek is “arche,” which speaks of time as the beginning or commencement of time, of all things, from everlasting.
The beginning of the gospel dispensation.

The beginning of a Christian experience.

It sometimes speaks of persons, the first primus, as,

“The first and the last.”

“The beginning and the end.”

The word also speaks of dignity, the first place, power, or dominion. It gives the reader a sense of preeminence, precedence, or princedom. In the abstract refers to rulers, magistrates, princes, persons of influence and authority, or civil rulers. The beginning, or first power, speaks of the princes or chiefs among angels, demons, and the powers of the underworld.

“In” also gives the idea of the commencement or beginning of things as we know them. There have been attempts to take the word beginning to mean the everlasting or eternity past. Not so! The word brings the idea of a starting point to the table.

John wrote, “In the beginning was the Word (Jesus Christ).”

1 John 1, “That which was from the beginning, which we (the apostles) have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life (Jesus Christ).”

John 1:4, “In him (Jesus) was life;” Verse 14, and the “Word was made (became) flesh.”

John wrote that the apostles had heard and seen with their own eyes, looked upon, and handled the Lord Jesus, also called, 'the Word of God.'

The man Jesus presented Himself to us in our three higher senses: hearing, sight, and touch. To have handled is the proof of material reality. The Greek verb for “handled” means much more than to touch, to feel after, or to find.

This has been set up with the words, ‘see,’ or ‘seeing,’ used four times in the first three verses. Two different verbs for seeing are used. Horan (to see) and ‘theasthau;’ (to behold intelligently to signify what they were seeing.)

Translated, it would be, “The eternal Son who from eternity has entered time, we the apostles have not only handled as a material being, not only heard, not only seen with the physical eyes but have understood His meaning and significance.”

1 John 1:2-3, John writes, “For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness,”

This phrase is the heart of the verse. The verb ‘manifest’ in Greek indicates the fact of the incarnation of Jesus Christ. The apostles could not have heard, seen, or handled the Lord; neither could they have had any knowledge of Christ’s eternal life with the Father unless the Father was willing to reveal this mystery to them in the person of his Son and the commission of the Holy Spirit. The person of Jesus was the mystery revealed.

1 Timothy 3:16, K.J.B. “God manifest in the flesh.” Also, Matthew 1:23 says, “And they shall call the (Jesus) name, Immanuel, God with us.”

[onewithhim]

Let’s compare Genesis 1 with John 1:

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning... John 1:1, "In the beginning..."

In the beginning what? Genesis 1, God (Elohim!)”

John 1:1 "Was the Word (Jesus) And the Word was with God (the Holy Spirit)." If ‘Word’ (speaking of Jesus) is written in upper case, then God (theos) has to also be in upper case.

So, the beginning begins with the ‘Word’ = (Jesus) and the (Holy Spirit) who is moving “Upon the surface of the waters,” with, Job 26:13, “By his (God’s) Spirit he has garnished (adorned) the heavens;”

John 1:1, "And the Word was God." Who’s the Word? John 1:14, “And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth.”

John 1: "The same (the Word) was in the beginning with God (the Holy Spirit)."

Genesis 1:1, ”In the beginning God,” the Hebrew here for God is Elohim referring to the Father, who sends his Son, and the Holy Spirit to create the heaven and earth.

John 1:3, "All things were made by Him (Jesus): and without Him was not anything made that was made."

John 1:4, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

John 1:5, "And the light (God’s glory) shineth in darkness."

Genesis 1:2, "Darkness was upon the face of the deep, and God, declared, “Let there be light." Only light exposes the darkness and brings life to the world.

History has a beginning. Therefore, a logical inference can be drawn, ‘If there were nothing in the past, there would be nothing today. Hence, God is before.”

Unlike pagan myths, philosophies, and theories, the Scriptures give a simple, concise account of creation. Scriptures bear the stamp of truth and provide a just and elevated view of God.
The idea of the word “in” means, ‘at the present time.’ Specifically, “in” this hour, minute, and very moment. “in” is limited by the word “beginning.” Therefore, when God spoke His first words, time began.

The Hebrew for ‘beginning’ is re’shiyth, whereas the Greek is “arche,” which speaks of time as the beginning or commencement of time, of all things, from everlasting.
The beginning of the gospel dispensation.

The beginning of a Christian experience.

It sometimes speaks of persons, the first primus, as,

“The first and the last.”

“The beginning and the end.”

The word also speaks of dignity, the first place, power, or dominion. It gives the reader a sense of preeminence, precedence, or princedom. In the abstract refers to rulers, magistrates, princes, persons of influence and authority, or civil rulers. The beginning, or first power, speaks of the princes or chiefs among angels, demons, and the powers of the underworld.

“In” also gives the idea of the commencement or beginning of things as we know them. There have been attempts to take the word beginning to mean the everlasting or eternity past. Not so! The word brings the idea of a starting point to the table.

John wrote, “In the beginning was the Word (Jesus Christ).”

1 John 1, “That which was from the beginning, which we (the apostles) have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life (Jesus Christ).”

John 1:4, “In him (Jesus) was life;” Verse 14, and the “Word was made (became) flesh.”

John wrote that the apostles had heard and seen with their own eyes, looked upon, and handled the Lord Jesus, also called, 'the Word of God.'

The man Jesus presented Himself to us in our three higher senses: hearing, sight, and touch. To have handled is the proof of material reality. The Greek verb for “handled” means much more than to touch, to feel after, or to find.

This has been set up with the words, ‘see,’ or ‘seeing,’ used four times in the first three verses. Two different verbs for seeing are used. Horan (to see) and ‘theasthau;’ (to behold intelligently to signify what they were seeing.)

Translated, it would be, “The eternal Son who from eternity has entered time, we the apostles have not only handled as a material being, not only heard, not only seen with the physical eyes but have understood His meaning and significance.”

1 John 1:2-3, John writes, “For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness,”

This phrase is the heart of the verse. The verb ‘manifest’ in Greek indicates the fact of the incarnation of Jesus Christ. The apostles could not have heard, seen, or handled the Lord; neither could they have had any knowledge of Christ’s eternal life with the Father unless the Father was willing to reveal this mystery to them in the person of his Son and the commission of the Holy Spirit. The person of Jesus was the mystery revealed.

1 Timothy 3:16, K.J.B. “God manifest in the flesh.” Also, Matthew 1:23 says, “And they shall call the (Jesus) name, Immanuel, God with us.”

In other versions, I Timothy 3:16 correctly says---not "God"---but He was manifest in the flesh. Check out other versions. "He" would be Jesus Christ, not God.

"Immanuel" does mean "God with us." It does not mean that Jesus is God but that he represented God here on Earth. That is how God is with us.

[theophile]

Let’s compare Genesis 1 with John 1:

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning... John 1:1, "In the beginning..."

In the beginning what? Genesis 1, God (Elohim!)”

John 1:1 "Was the Word (Jesus) And the Word was with God (the Holy Spirit)." If ‘Word’ (speaking of Jesus) is written in upper case, then God (theos) has to also be in upper case.

So, the beginning begins with the ‘Word’ = (Jesus) and the (Holy Spirit) who is moving “Upon the surface of the waters,” with, Job 26:13, “By his (God’s) Spirit he has garnished (adorned) the heavens;”

John 1:1, "And the Word was God." Who’s the Word? John 1:14, “And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth.”

John 1: "The same (the Word) was in the beginning with God (the Holy Spirit)."

Genesis 1:1, ”In the beginning God,” the Hebrew here for God is Elohim referring to the Father, who sends his Son, and the Holy Spirit to create the heaven and earth.

John 1:3, "All things were made by Him (Jesus): and without Him was not anything made that was made."

John 1:4, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

John 1:5, "And the light (God’s glory) shineth in darkness."

Genesis 1:2, "Darkness was upon the face of the deep, and God, declared, “Let there be light." Only light exposes the darkness and brings life to the world.

I think you go wrong in identifying Jesus first and foremost as the Word. Jesus is not the Word per se but the Word made flesh. Being 'in the flesh' is essential to what Jesus is, and distinguishes Jesus from the Word, which is more spiritual versus material in its essential form. (Words have no real matter to them...)

I think Jesus is better thought of as the light in this analogy, which like Jesus is very clearly the Word (God's very first words in fact) made flesh. Jesus / the light are literally God's firstborn. They are the material result of the union of God's Word with 'fleshy' matter. With him (/the light) all other things that were made were indeed made.

If you want an even deeper analogy here, you should consider 'the deep' reference in Genesis 1:2. This is a very important feminine representative of the material world. She unites with God's Word in Genesis 1 in the creation of all that is made. Jesus is as much of her as he is of God. Indeed, we are made in their image, as man and woman.

The deep is essentially Mary in the NT version of events, i.e.:

God : the deep : the light (Genesis 1) = God : Mary : Jesus (NT)

[placebofactor]

Let’s compare Genesis 1 with John 1:

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning... John 1:1, "In the beginning..."

In the beginning what? Genesis 1, God (Elohim!)”

John 1:1 "Was the Word (Jesus) And the Word was with God (the Holy Spirit)." If ‘Word’ (speaking of Jesus) is written in upper case, then God (theos) has to also be in upper case.

So, the beginning begins with the ‘Word’ = (Jesus) and the (Holy Spirit) who is moving “Upon the surface of the waters,” with, Job 26:13, “By his (God’s) Spirit he has garnished (adorned) the heavens;”

John 1:1, "And the Word was God." Who’s the Word? John 1:14, “And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth.”

John 1: "The same (the Word) was in the beginning with God (the Holy Spirit)."

Genesis 1:1, ”In the beginning God,” the Hebrew here for God is Elohim referring to the Father, who sends his Son, and the Holy Spirit to create the heaven and earth.

John 1:3, "All things were made by Him (Jesus): and without Him was not anything made that was made."

John 1:4, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

John 1:5, "And the light (God’s glory) shineth in darkness."

Genesis 1:2, "Darkness was upon the face of the deep, and God, declared, “Let there be light." Only light exposes the darkness and brings life to the world.

I think you go wrong in identifying Jesus first and foremost as the Word. Jesus is not the Word per se but the Word made flesh. Being 'in the flesh' is essential to what Jesus is, and distinguishes Jesus from the Word, which is more spiritual versus material in its essential form. (Words have no real matter to them...)

I think Jesus is better thought of as the light in this analogy, which like Jesus is very clearly the Word (God's very first words in fact) made flesh. Jesus / the light are literally God's firstborn. They are the material result of the union of God's Word with 'fleshy' matter. With him (/the light) all other things that were made were indeed made.

If you want an even deeper analogy here, you should consider 'the deep' reference in Genesis 1:2. This is a very important feminine representative of the material world. She unites with God's Word in Genesis 1 in the creation of all that is made. Jesus is as much of her as he is of God. Indeed, we are made in their image, as man and woman.

The deep is essentially Mary in the NT version of events, i.e.:

God : the deep : the light (Genesis 1) = God : Mary : Jesus (NT)

One question: Who do you think spoke the words in Genesis 1, "Let there be? Was it the Father or the Son who is the Logos.

[onewithhim]

Let’s compare Genesis 1 with John 1:

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning... John 1:1, "In the beginning..."

In the beginning what? Genesis 1, God (Elohim!)”

John 1:1 "Was the Word (Jesus) And the Word was with God (the Holy Spirit)." If ‘Word’ (speaking of Jesus) is written in upper case, then God (theos) has to also be in upper case.

So, the beginning begins with the ‘Word’ = (Jesus) and the (Holy Spirit) who is moving “Upon the surface of the waters,” with, Job 26:13, “By his (God’s) Spirit he has garnished (adorned) the heavens;”

John 1:1, "And the Word was God." Who’s the Word? John 1:14, “And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth.”

John 1: "The same (the Word) was in the beginning with God (the Holy Spirit)."

Genesis 1:1, ”In the beginning God,” the Hebrew here for God is Elohim referring to the Father, who sends his Son, and the Holy Spirit to create the heaven and earth.

John 1:3, "All things were made by Him (Jesus): and without Him was not anything made that was made."

John 1:4, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

John 1:5, "And the light (God’s glory) shineth in darkness."

Genesis 1:2, "Darkness was upon the face of the deep, and God, declared, “Let there be light." Only light exposes the darkness and brings life to the world.

I think you go wrong in identifying Jesus first and foremost as the Word. Jesus is not the Word per se but the Word made flesh. Being 'in the flesh' is essential to what Jesus is, and distinguishes Jesus from the Word, which is more spiritual versus material in its essential form. (Words have no real matter to them...)

I think Jesus is better thought of as the light in this analogy, which like Jesus is very clearly the Word (God's very first words in fact) made flesh. Jesus / the light are literally God's firstborn. They are the material result of the union of God's Word with 'fleshy' matter. With him (/the light) all other things that were made were indeed made.

If you want an even deeper analogy here, you should consider 'the deep' reference in Genesis 1:2. This is a very important feminine representative of the material world. She unites with God's Word in Genesis 1 in the creation of all that is made. Jesus is as much of her as he is of God. Indeed, we are made in their image, as man and woman.

The deep is essentially Mary in the NT version of events, i.e.:

God : the deep : the light (Genesis 1) = God : Mary : Jesus (NT)

One question: Who do you think spoke the words in Genesis 1, "Let there be? Was it the Father or the Son who is the Logos.

That would, in my humble estimation, be Jehovah speaking to His Son.

[Difflugia]

In other versions, I Timothy 3:16 correctly says---not "God"---but He was manifest in the flesh. Check out other versions. "He" would be Jesus Christ, not God.

You should check your Hendrickson interlinear! "God" and "he" aren't the same word!



θεὸς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί

God was manifested in flesh.

[placebofactor]

Let’s compare Genesis 1 with John 1:

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning... John 1:1, "In the beginning..."

In the beginning what? Genesis 1, God (Elohim!)”

John 1:1 "Was the Word (Jesus) And the Word was with God (the Holy Spirit)." If ‘Word’ (speaking of Jesus) is written in upper case, then God (theos) has to also be in upper case.

So, the beginning begins with the ‘Word’ = (Jesus) and the (Holy Spirit) who is moving “Upon the surface of the waters,” with, Job 26:13, “By his (God’s) Spirit he has garnished (adorned) the heavens;”

John 1:1, "And the Word was God." Who’s the Word? John 1:14, “And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth.”

John 1: "The same (the Word) was in the beginning with God (the Holy Spirit)."

Genesis 1:1, ”In the beginning God,” the Hebrew here for God is Elohim referring to the Father, who sends his Son, and the Holy Spirit to create the heaven and earth.

John 1:3, "All things were made by Him (Jesus): and without Him was not anything made that was made."

John 1:4, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

John 1:5, "And the light (God’s glory) shineth in darkness."

Genesis 1:2, "Darkness was upon the face of the deep, and God, declared, “Let there be light." Only light exposes the darkness and brings life to the world.

I think you go wrong in identifying Jesus first and foremost as the Word. Jesus is not the Word per se but the Word made flesh. Being 'in the flesh' is essential to what Jesus is, and distinguishes Jesus from the Word, which is more spiritual versus material in its essential form. (Words have no real matter to them...)

I think Jesus is better thought of as the light in this analogy, which like Jesus is very clearly the Word (God's very first words in fact) made flesh. Jesus / the light are literally God's firstborn. They are the material result of the union of God's Word with 'fleshy' matter. With him (/the light) all other things that were made were indeed made.

If you want an even deeper analogy here, you should consider 'the deep' reference in Genesis 1:2. This is a very important feminine representative of the material world. She unites with God's Word in Genesis 1 in the creation of all that is made. Jesus is as much of her as he is of God. Indeed, we are made in their image, as man and woman.

The deep is essentially Mary in the NT version of events, i.e.:

God : the deep : the light (Genesis 1) = God : Mary : Jesus (NT)

One question: Who do you think spoke the words in Genesis 1, "Let there be? Was it the Father or the Son who is the Logos.

That would, in my humble estimation, be Jehovah speaking to His Son.

Your humble estimation would be in a very, very low minority of a very large number of scholars. The stone of stumbling that you up is, you cannot accept the idea that the name Jehovah belongs to both the Father and Son, as does every other name, title and characteristic.

[theophile]

Let’s compare Genesis 1 with John 1:

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning... John 1:1, "In the beginning..."

In the beginning what? Genesis 1, God (Elohim!)”

John 1:1 "Was the Word (Jesus) And the Word was with God (the Holy Spirit)." If ‘Word’ (speaking of Jesus) is written in upper case, then God (theos) has to also be in upper case.

So, the beginning begins with the ‘Word’ = (Jesus) and the (Holy Spirit) who is moving “Upon the surface of the waters,” with, Job 26:13, “By his (God’s) Spirit he has garnished (adorned) the heavens;”

John 1:1, "And the Word was God." Who’s the Word? John 1:14, “And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth.”

John 1: "The same (the Word) was in the beginning with God (the Holy Spirit)."

Genesis 1:1, ”In the beginning God,” the Hebrew here for God is Elohim referring to the Father, who sends his Son, and the Holy Spirit to create the heaven and earth.

John 1:3, "All things were made by Him (Jesus): and without Him was not anything made that was made."

John 1:4, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

John 1:5, "And the light (God’s glory) shineth in darkness."

Genesis 1:2, "Darkness was upon the face of the deep, and God, declared, “Let there be light." Only light exposes the darkness and brings life to the world.

I think you go wrong in identifying Jesus first and foremost as the Word. Jesus is not the Word per se but the Word made flesh. Being 'in the flesh' is essential to what Jesus is, and distinguishes Jesus from the Word, which is more spiritual versus material in its essential form. (Words have no real matter to them...)

I think Jesus is better thought of as the light in this analogy, which like Jesus is very clearly the Word (God's very first words in fact) made flesh. Jesus / the light are literally God's firstborn. They are the material result of the union of God's Word with 'fleshy' matter. With him (/the light) all other things that were made were indeed made.

If you want an even deeper analogy here, you should consider 'the deep' reference in Genesis 1:2. This is a very important feminine representative of the material world. She unites with God's Word in Genesis 1 in the creation of all that is made. Jesus is as much of her as he is of God. Indeed, we are made in their image, as man and woman.

The deep is essentially Mary in the NT version of events, i.e.:

God : the deep : the light (Genesis 1) = God : Mary : Jesus (NT)

One question: Who do you think spoke the words in Genesis 1, "Let there be? Was it the Father or the Son who is the Logos.

At this point in the narrative, I would suggest that 'God' is just spirit. Words / Logos are spiritual in their essential form, and they speak for themselves. i.e., per Genesis 1, God is literally just spirit or wind hovering over the deep. There is no speaker here other than this spirit.

So I would say it is not the Father or the Son who is speaking since neither of these technically yet exist (Fatherhood requires Sonship, and the Son has yet to be made). It is rather something more like the Holy Spirit, to use that term. A seed that holds the potential for Sonship, Fatherhood, and all other life.

A seed that, again, requires a material womb (/Mother) in which to grow and be born. Mary / the deep.

[onewithhim]

Let’s compare Genesis 1 with John 1:

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning... John 1:1, "In the beginning..."

In the beginning what? Genesis 1, God (Elohim!)”

John 1:1 "Was the Word (Jesus) And the Word was with God (the Holy Spirit)." If ‘Word’ (speaking of Jesus) is written in upper case, then God (theos) has to also be in upper case.

So, the beginning begins with the ‘Word’ = (Jesus) and the (Holy Spirit) who is moving “Upon the surface of the waters,” with, Job 26:13, “By his (God’s) Spirit he has garnished (adorned) the heavens;”

John 1:1, "And the Word was God." Who’s the Word? John 1:14, “And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth.”

John 1: "The same (the Word) was in the beginning with God (the Holy Spirit)."

Genesis 1:1, ”In the beginning God,” the Hebrew here for God is Elohim referring to the Father, who sends his Son, and the Holy Spirit to create the heaven and earth.

John 1:3, "All things were made by Him (Jesus): and without Him was not anything made that was made."

John 1:4, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

John 1:5, "And the light (God’s glory) shineth in darkness."

Genesis 1:2, "Darkness was upon the face of the deep, and God, declared, “Let there be light." Only light exposes the darkness and brings life to the world.

I think you go wrong in identifying Jesus first and foremost as the Word. Jesus is not the Word per se but the Word made flesh. Being 'in the flesh' is essential to what Jesus is, and distinguishes Jesus from the Word, which is more spiritual versus material in its essential form. (Words have no real matter to them...)

I think Jesus is better thought of as the light in this analogy, which like Jesus is very clearly the Word (God's very first words in fact) made flesh. Jesus / the light are literally God's firstborn. They are the material result of the union of God's Word with 'fleshy' matter. With him (/the light) all other things that were made were indeed made.

If you want an even deeper analogy here, you should consider 'the deep' reference in Genesis 1:2. This is a very important feminine representative of the material world. She unites with God's Word in Genesis 1 in the creation of all that is made. Jesus is as much of her as he is of God. Indeed, we are made in their image, as man and woman.

The deep is essentially Mary in the NT version of events, i.e.:

God : the deep : the light (Genesis 1) = God : Mary : Jesus (NT)

One question: Who do you think spoke the words in Genesis 1, "Let there be? Was it the Father or the Son who is the Logos.

At this point in the narrative, I would suggest that 'God' is just spirit. Words / Logos are spiritual in their essential form, and they speak for themselves. i.e., per Genesis 1, God is literally just spirit or wind hovering over the deep. There is no speaker here other than this spirit.

So I would say it is not the Father or the Son who is speaking since neither of these technically yet exist (Fatherhood requires Sonship, and the Son has yet to be made). It is rather something more like the Holy Spirit, to use that term. A seed that holds the potential for Sonship, Fatherhood, and all other life.

A seed that, again, requires a material womb (/Mother) in which to grow and be born. Mary / the deep.

You do not believe that Jesus existed in heaven before he came down to the earth through Mary's womb? He definitely existed even before the creation of all other things. (Read John 17:3; John 3:13; Colossians 1:15,16.)

Seeing as how Jesus was involved in the creation of all things, it stands to reason that he is the one discussing with God the creation of the heavens and the earth, and man. The Spirit is God's Holy Spirit by which He accomplishes whatever He wants to accomplish. It extends from Him. It is not a Person, any more than the current in a light bulb is a person.

[theophile]

Let’s compare Genesis 1 with John 1:

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning... John 1:1, "In the beginning..."

In the beginning what? Genesis 1, God (Elohim!)”

John 1:1 "Was the Word (Jesus) And the Word was with God (the Holy Spirit)." If ‘Word’ (speaking of Jesus) is written in upper case, then God (theos) has to also be in upper case.

So, the beginning begins with the ‘Word’ = (Jesus) and the (Holy Spirit) who is moving “Upon the surface of the waters,” with, Job 26:13, “By his (God’s) Spirit he has garnished (adorned) the heavens;”

John 1:1, "And the Word was God." Who’s the Word? John 1:14, “And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth.”

John 1: "The same (the Word) was in the beginning with God (the Holy Spirit)."

Genesis 1:1, ”In the beginning God,” the Hebrew here for God is Elohim referring to the Father, who sends his Son, and the Holy Spirit to create the heaven and earth.

John 1:3, "All things were made by Him (Jesus): and without Him was not anything made that was made."

John 1:4, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

John 1:5, "And the light (God’s glory) shineth in darkness."

Genesis 1:2, "Darkness was upon the face of the deep, and God, declared, “Let there be light." Only light exposes the darkness and brings life to the world.

I think you go wrong in identifying Jesus first and foremost as the Word. Jesus is not the Word per se but the Word made flesh. Being 'in the flesh' is essential to what Jesus is, and distinguishes Jesus from the Word, which is more spiritual versus material in its essential form. (Words have no real matter to them...)

I think Jesus is better thought of as the light in this analogy, which like Jesus is very clearly the Word (God's very first words in fact) made flesh. Jesus / the light are literally God's firstborn. They are the material result of the union of God's Word with 'fleshy' matter. With him (/the light) all other things that were made were indeed made.

If you want an even deeper analogy here, you should consider 'the deep' reference in Genesis 1:2. This is a very important feminine representative of the material world. She unites with God's Word in Genesis 1 in the creation of all that is made. Jesus is as much of her as he is of God. Indeed, we are made in their image, as man and woman.

The deep is essentially Mary in the NT version of events, i.e.:

God : the deep : the light (Genesis 1) = God : Mary : Jesus (NT)

One question: Who do you think spoke the words in Genesis 1, "Let there be? Was it the Father or the Son who is the Logos.

At this point in the narrative, I would suggest that 'God' is just spirit. Words / Logos are spiritual in their essential form, and they speak for themselves. i.e., per Genesis 1, God is literally just spirit or wind hovering over the deep. There is no speaker here other than this spirit.

So I would say it is not the Father or the Son who is speaking since neither of these technically yet exist (Fatherhood requires Sonship, and the Son has yet to be made). It is rather something more like the Holy Spirit, to use that term. A seed that holds the potential for Sonship, Fatherhood, and all other life.

A seed that, again, requires a material womb (/Mother) in which to grow and be born. Mary / the deep.

You do not believe that Jesus existed in heaven before he came down to the earth through Mary's womb? He definitely existed even before the creation of all other things. (Read John 17:3; John 3:13; Colossians 1:15,16.)

Seeing as how Jesus was involved in the creation of all things, it stands to reason that he is the one discussing with God the creation of the heavens and the earth, and man. The Spirit is God's Holy Spirit by which He accomplishes whatever He wants to accomplish. It extends from Him. It is not a Person, any more than the current in a light bulb is a person.

I think any material being who does the will of God (or who is the Word made flesh) is Christ. To use your electricity analogy, the specific being who fulfills this role, be it the man Jesus or a beam of life-giving light, it doesn't matter to me. They are interchangeable. The Christ role cuts across the specific beings that fulfill it. (Think Paul's notion of the body of Christ here, where each part plays their own function, but is no less Christ than any other part. Jesus the man has no special privilege here.)

So no, I don't think the man Jesus was there at the beginning. I don't think Christ more broadly was either for that matter, at least not at the beginning of the beginning. Christ does not show up until Genesis 1:3, when the light comes into being. Before this there is only the spirit of God / the Word, which speaks for itself, and the deep.

Put otherwise, the light was there for the making of all other things that were made but the light. The light is not itself the seminal Word nor the original source of it. It is the Word made flesh, and only becomes a source of the Word once created.

Again, per the Colossians verses you point out, the Son / Christ is God's firstborn, meaning they must first be born, and do not pre-exist or take part in the events preceding their births. Not even Christ, which traces back to Genesis 1:3 and transcends any man, gets around this.