The two Giants of religion

[placebofactor]

[JehovahsWitness]

All false religion (whether big, small or giant) will, according to bibl prophecy, be destoyed, along with all their "children" (break off sects and denominations). The religions of this world are called in scripture BABYLON THE GREAT.


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

I would call the following followers of "Babylon the Great, the children of darkness. Islamists, Buddhists, Atheist, ...

Its not for anyone but God to judge individuals, Babylon is the world empire of false religion, not the individuals in them ( compare Revelation 18:4)

MATTHEW 7:1

"Do not judge, or you will be judged

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[servant1]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #2]

Elohim is a Hebrew word, not a name. It translates-the supreme one for the true living God. YHWH or YHVH is Gods personal name in Hebrew.
Elohim can be used plural, like for the false trinity gods served in the ot days. Never plural for the God Israel served.

[Difflugia]

Elohim is a Hebrew word, not a name. It translates-the supreme one for the true living God. YHWH or YHVH is Gods personal name in Hebrew.
Elohim can be used plural, like for the false trinity gods served in the ot days. Never plural for the God Israel served.

There are verses where Elohim is unambiguously a name, like Psalm 44:1:

Elohim, in our ears we have heard what our fathers have told us, the work you did in their days, in days of old.

There are verses where Elohim is just a word meaning "gods" or "a god," but there are also verses like the one above where it can only be a proper name.

[servant1]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #13]

No that is not a name in the Hebrew OT ever.
The title God is in my translation at 44:1 not Elohim.

[Difflugia]

No that is not a name in the Hebrew OT ever.
The title God is in my translation at 44:1 not Elohim.

That's not a title.

In Hebrew, when a noun lacks a definite article, but must be definite from context, it's a name. If it were a title, it would have a definite article prefix (Ha-elohim). That's a bit of a simplification, but you can read a more complete description of definite vs. indefinite vs. proper names in Hebrew from Gesenius at Wiksource.

A different example of this is how "King David" is written. "King" is his title, "David" is his name. The first two words in 1 Kings 1:1 are:

???????????? ???????
"And [the] King David ..."

"King" has a definite article, so is a title. "David" has no article, but is necessarily definite in context, so is a proper name.

[servant1]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #15]

No Hebrew scholar will tell you that. Elohim translates-The supreme one. Or the mighty one. It can mean the title God as well-NEVER a name.

[Difflugia]

No Hebrew scholar will tell you that.

I already linked one for you. Now find one that says otherwise.

Elohim translates-The supreme one. Or the mighty one. It can mean the title God as well

When it has a definite article.

-NEVER a name.

Except when it doesn't have a definite article, like it appears in much of the Old Testament.

I've had this conversation before. When a noun lacks a definite article or other means of marking it definite (like ???????????, our god), the noun is either indefinite ("a god") or a proper name ("God"). In Hebrew, titles are definite nouns rather than indefinite ("the king," "our king," "the god," "our god"). There are verses where Elohim has a definite article and is used as a title, but there are also verses where it's unambiguously a personal name.

If the Bible is authoritative and means what it says, then El, Eloah, Elohim, and Yahweh are all proper and personal names of God. There's evidence that at least Eloah and Elohim weren't always such and only became proper names in later portions of the Old Testament. As the text stands now, however, those are all treated as proper names of God in multiple parts of the Old Testament.

[servant1]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #17]


Elijah translates--EL(Elohim) is Jehovah---Jehovah is Gods name, his only name.

[onewithhim]

[Difflugia]