"Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak."

[Athetotheist]

What are we to make of this?




Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)

"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Fathers who sent Me."
(John 14:24)

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #10]

How much does Jesus tell Christians to give of their earnings to drunks, drug addicts, sex addicts and other depraved sinners in order to finance their sin?

How many working people who've lost their jobs to outsourcing do you assume are drunks, drug addicts, sex addicts and other depraved sinners?

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #10]

How much does Jesus tell Christians to give of their earnings to drunks, drug addicts, sex addicts and other depraved sinners in order to finance their sin?

How many working people who've lost their jobs to outsourcing do you assume are drunks, drug addicts, sex addicts and other depraved sinners?

Are you now claiming Jesus was not telling Christians to give away their earnoings to drunks but to those who lose their jobs for other reasons besides laziness, incompetence, crimes, or uncivilized behaviors?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #12]

Are you now claiming Jesus was not telling Christians to give away their earnoings to drunks but to those who lose their jobs for other reasons besides laziness, incompetence, crimes, or uncivilized behaviors?

If those who will not work should not eat (2 Thessalonians 3:10), then the idle rich should not eat.

If you automatically assume that those who suffer misfortune have only themselves to blame, what room is left for Christian charity? Let's face it----the Jesus of the Christian Bible preaches an absolutely radical degree of self-sacrifice:

"Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:42)

".....and from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. (Luke 6:29)


Preacher-men stalk back and forth across the stage and say, "Oh, I'm gonna offend some of you here tonight!" Are you offended by Jesus's take on charity? Will you also go away (John 6:67)?

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #12]

Are you now claiming Jesus was not telling Christians to give away their earnoings to drunks but to those who lose their jobs for other reasons besides laziness, incompetence, crimes, or uncivilized behaviors?

If those who will not work should not eat (2 Thessalonians 3:10), then the idle rich should not eat.

If you automatically assume that those who suffer misfortune have only themselves to blame, what room is left for Christian charity? Let's face it----the Jesus of the Christian Bible preaches an absolutely radical degree of self-sacrifice:

"Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:42)

".....and from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. (Luke 6:29)


Preacher-men stalk back and forth across the stage and say, "Oh, I'm gonna offend some of you here tonight!" Are you offended by Jesus's take on charity? Will you also go away (John 6:67)?

Christians have a duty to give themselves to God and others. How much they give and to whom they give is not the business of the government or critics.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #14]

Christians have a duty to give themselves to God and others. How much they give and to whom they give is not the business of the government or critics.

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. (Romans 13:1)

"Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me." (Matthew 25:40)

[Purple Knight]

How much does Jesus tell Christians to give of their earnings to drunks, drug addicts, sex addicts and other depraved sinners in order to finance their sin?

In some cases, all of it. It seemed to be more about the person giving away than the person getting.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #14]

Christians have a duty to give themselves to God and others. How much they give and to whom they give is not the business of the government or critics.

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. (Romans 13:1)

"Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me." (Matthew 25:40)

It is hard to justify the wickedness of governments that engage in tyrany and violations of human rights by teaching that whatever tyrants have seized power by whatever means must be honored by Christians as God's rulers of choice.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #17]

It is hard to justify the wickedness of governments that engage in tyrany and violations of human rights by teaching that whatever tyrants have seized power by whatever means must be honored by Christians as God's rulers of choice.

Yes. Romans 13:1 is problematic, isn't it?

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #17]

It is hard to justify the wickedness of governments that engage in tyrany and violations of human rights by teaching that whatever tyrants have seized power by whatever means must be honored by Christians as God's rulers of choice.

Yes. Romans 13:1 is problematic, isn't it?

I suppose some must believe that Jesus was teaching blacks in the US hundreds of years ago and whites who opposed slavery to just shut up and support the government in charge whether it condoned trafficking in slaves or not.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #19]

I suppose some must believe that Jesus was teaching blacks in the US hundreds of years ago and whites who opposed slavery to just shut up and support the government in charge whether it condoned trafficking in slaves or not.

Was Jesus teaching those who support immigrants who are in a country legally to just shut up and support the government in charge even if it threatens those legal immigrants with mass deportation?