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"Slavery" in the Bible

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Allow us readers to be very careful. We must make sure we identify the proper context here, to assure against hasty and/or self-serving conclusions.

Exodus 21:2-3:

"2 "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him." <-- Okay, this seems clear enough, if you are a purchased Hebrew, with a wife, you are both to go free in year 7. :ok:

Exodus 21:4:

"4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free." <-- Here is where things start to look sketchy for the modern-day believer. If the slave is provided with a wife, and they have kids, the wife and kids are to stay with the slave master. They are not to go free.

Exodus 21:5-6:

"5 "But if the servant declares, I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free, 6 then his master must take him before the judges.[a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life." <-- More uncomfortability for the Christian here. Without getting into the weeds, common sense suggests a special rule is made to trick the male Hebrew into remaining a slave for life.

Leviticus 25:44-46:

"44 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." <-- More awkwardness for the believer, as the Bible reader clammers to find a rationale to make this passage not read the way it does.

Here is a basic definition of chattel slavery --> "Chattel slavery is full slavery in its traditional form whereby slaves are the complete property of their master, can be bought and sold by him and treated in any way that he wishes, which may include torture and other brutality, excessively bad working conditions, and sexual exploitation"

Looks like all the ingredients fit the given Bible description here, minus the torture. Wait a minute, this is covered in the rest of Exodus 21. (i.e.):

"20 "Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." <-- So basically, since the slave is your property, beatings with impunity are acceptable. Just don't kill them.

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By applying common sense, does/did the Bible ever, and/or currently still sanction chattel slavery?

Again, by using common sense, can a believer effectively use the Bible in support of breeding chattel slaves?

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Before you answer, consider this.... Since the NT does not mention the abolition of 'slavery', and yet the Bible makes further proclamation(s) and/or addendums (in favor of retaining 'slavery',) this means the Bible is not against chattel slavery either. Further, the Christian may want to introduce the importance of the 'golden rule'. However, the specifics outweigh the generals. The specifics of the rules for engagement of slavery are outside the 'golden rule'. Otherwise, the Bible would be a one-pager. 'Slavery' is an expressed exception to the general rule. Thus, anytime a specific scenario is not invoked, yes, 'golden rule.'
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marke wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:24 pm
POI wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:04 pm
marke wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:10 pm I see no conflict between what God said about modern servitude or ancient slavery and impeccable moral standards.
Then the following points below, are completely in line with impeccable moral standards????

* The Bible endorses/condones chattel slavery
* The Bible endorses/condones slave breeding
* The Bible grants permission to buy chattel slaves
* The Bible endorses/condones both a) chattel slavery and b) slave breeding as the best way(s) to combat poverty/starvation
* The Bible endorses/condones tribalism, just like other religion(s)

12th request: Why follow a book which moral standards do not align with your own?
Humans find fault with God because God does not condemn poverty, sickness, trouble, war, servitude, slavery, inequality, disasters, and more.
You would have some kind of a narrow point if the Bible did not also condone/endorse a) lifetime chattel slavery and b) slave breeding.

13th request.... Why follow a book which moral standards do not align with your own?
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Re: "Slavery" in the Bible

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POI wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:08 pm
1213 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:57 am
POI wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:28 am ...The 'golden rule' does not apply equally ...
That is not said in the Bible, so I have no good reason to accept that.
You already agreed that the rule is not equal. Hence, you contradict yourself.
Please show where I said the golden rules is not equal?
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Re: "Slavery" in the Bible

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POI wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:39 pm
marke wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:24 pm
POI wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:04 pm
marke wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:10 pm I see no conflict between what God said about modern servitude or ancient slavery and impeccable moral standards.
Then the following points below, are completely in line with impeccable moral standards????

* The Bible endorses/condones chattel slavery
* The Bible endorses/condones slave breeding
* The Bible grants permission to buy chattel slaves
* The Bible endorses/condones both a) chattel slavery and b) slave breeding as the best way(s) to combat poverty/starvation
* The Bible endorses/condones tribalism, just like other religion(s)

12th request: Why follow a book which moral standards do not align with your own?
Humans find fault with God because God does not condemn poverty, sickness, trouble, war, servitude, slavery, inequality, disasters, and more.
You would have some kind of a narrow point if the Bible did not also condone/endorse a) lifetime chattel slavery and b) slave breeding.

13th request.... Why follow a book which moral standards do not align with your own?
If God made provisions for slavery, poverty, imprisonment, injustice, sickness, war or any other human tragedy then thank God for His truth, righteousness, justice, and mercy.

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Re: "Slavery" in the Bible

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1213 wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:59 am Please show where I said the golden rules is not equal?
Post 426. 1213 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:26 am
I think the hierarchy is: God > Jesus > man > woman > nature.

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marke wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:05 am If God made provisions for slavery, poverty, imprisonment, injustice, sickness, war or any other human tragedy then thank God for His truth, righteousness, justice, and mercy.
God made provisions for a) lifetime chattel slave and b) slave breeding. I doubt you would do the same.

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marke wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:05 am
If God made provisions for slavery, poverty, imprisonment, injustice, sickness, war or any other human tragedy then thank God for His truth, righteousness, justice, and mercy.
You are thanking your God for making provisions for slavery, poverty, imprisonment, injustice, sickness, war or any other human tragedy?

Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid. Wouldn't you be more thankful if this all powerful deity simply abolished slavery, sickness, and other things it should have control over? How about making rules about NOT going to war? Oh yeah, this God instead sends its followers to war, what am I thinking.... Given Yahweh was originally a war god I guess that makes sense. No point in being thankful about it though.

It boggles my mind the 'pass' believers give their deity. Blame all the bad stuff on humans and never hang any of it on their god. :drunk:

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benchwarmer wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:45 am
marke wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:05 am
If God made provisions for slavery, poverty, imprisonment, injustice, sickness, war or any other human tragedy then thank God for His truth, righteousness, justice, and mercy.
You are thanking your God for making provisions for slavery, poverty, imprisonment, injustice, sickness, war or any other human tragedy?

Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid. Wouldn't you be more thankful if this all powerful deity simply abolished slavery, sickness, and other things it should have control over? How about making rules about NOT going to war? Oh yeah, this God instead sends its followers to war, what am I thinking.... Given Yahweh was originally a war god I guess that makes sense. No point in being thankful about it though.

It boggles my mind the 'pass' believers give their deity. Blame all the bad stuff on humans and never hang any of it on their god. :drunk:
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POI wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 5:21 am
1213 wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:59 am Please show where I said the golden rules is not equal?
Post 426. 1213 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:26 am
I think the hierarchy is: God > Jesus > man > woman > nature.

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Why do you think that means the law is not equal for all? I don't think it means the golden rule is not the same in all cases.
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1213 wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 1:29 am Why do you think that means the law is not equal for all? I don't think it means the golden rule is not the same in all cases.
Because the law does not apply equally in both directions.
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POI wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:47 am
1213 wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 1:29 am Why do you think that means the law is not equal for all? I don't think it means the golden rule is not the same in all cases.
Because the law does not apply equally in both directions.
I disagree with that. Please explain why do you think golden rule does not apply equally?
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