Questions about Jesus and JW’s

[MissKate13]

1. Jehovah’s Witnesses say Jesus was “a god.” This is how the NWT reads (John 1:1).

Do JW’s believe Jesus was a true or false god?

2. JW’s say Jesus is a created being.

When was Jesus (capital or lower case g) created?

I look forward to your responses to one or both questions.

MissKate13

[Capbook]

If you have the complete definition of what I posted, post it here so we can compare.

Here is what you posted ...

With the definition of "all" specially from Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, said, as a totality of kinds or sorts - 'every kind of, all sorts of.'
Now, I think the point is clear, all is all.

Is there something above that you regret writing ?

I think I did request your complete definition to post it here so we could compare.
If you opposed my presented definition/evidence, counter it also by any proof you have not just an opinion.

[JehovahsWitness]

I think I did request your complete definition to post it here so we could compare.

I completely agree with the definition you habe already provided above. I couldn't do any better.

NT:3956
pas: a totality of kinds or sorts - 'every kind of, all sorts of.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

a totality of kinds or sorts

Noah was send to get two of every "kind" of animals. What if he were sent to get the "totality" of every kind. Would he have had to get everything that existed into the ark (the trees, the stars, the oceans ?) or only the "kind" or "sort" of things he was sent to get, namely ANIMALS?

Getting all (the totality) of kinds/sorts doesn't necessarily mean all that exists only all if a category (kind) that exists.

[Capbook]

I think I did request your complete definition to post it here so we could compare.

I completely agree with the definition you habe already provided above. I couldn't do any better.

NT:3956
pas: a totality of kinds or sorts - 'every kind of, all sorts of.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

a totality of kinds or sorts

Noah was send to get two of every "kind" of animals. What if he were sent to get the "totality" of every kind. Would he have had to get everything that existed into the ark (the trees, the stars, the oceans ?) or only the "kind" or "sort" of things he was sent to get, namely ANIMALS?

Getting all (the totality) of kinds/sorts doesn't necessarily mean all that exists only all if a category (kind) that exists.

I just believe that animals had nothing to do with John 16:15.
The definition of "totality of kinds or sorts of all things the Father has, Jesus had it also.
Why insert animals there.

[JehovahsWitness]

I think I did request your complete definition to post it here so we could compare.

I completely agree with the definition you habe already provided above. I couldn't do any better.

NT:3956
pas: a totality of kinds or sorts - 'every kind of, all sorts of.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

a totality of kinds or sorts

Noah was send to get two of every "kind" of animals. What if he were sent to get the "totality" of every kind. Would he have had to get everything that existed into the ark (the trees, the stars, the oceans ?) or only the "kind" or "sort" of things he was sent to get, namely ANIMALS?

Getting all (the totality) of kinds/sorts doesn't necessarily mean all that exists only all if a category (kind) that exists.

I just believe that animals had nothing to do with John 16:15.

I was using the bible to explain the bible. Referring to one passage to help us understand how language is used in scripture is very common and quite useful.

[Capbook]

I think I did request your complete definition to post it here so we could compare.

I completely agree with the definition you habe already provided above. I couldn't do any better.

NT:3956
pas: a totality of kinds or sorts - 'every kind of, all sorts of.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

a totality of kinds or sorts

Noah was send to get two of every "kind" of animals. What if he were sent to get the "totality" of every kind. Would he have had to get everything that existed into the ark (the trees, the stars, the oceans ?) or only the "kind" or "sort" of things he was sent to get, namely ANIMALS?

Getting all (the totality) of kinds/sorts doesn't necessarily mean all that exists only all if a category (kind) that exists.

I just believe that animals had nothing to do with John 16:15.

I was using the bible to explain the bible. Referring to one passage to help us understand how language is used in scripture is very common and quite useful.

I suppose through context, I speaks about Jesus and the Father and you refer to animals.
For me it seems not proper.

[JehovahsWitness]

I was using the bible to explain the bible. Referring to one passage to help us understand how language is used in scripture is very common and quite useful.

I suppose through context, I speaks about Jesus and the Father and you refer to animals.
For me it seems not proper.

Looking at a word through "context" does not necessarily mean looking at the same subject, it means looking at how a word is used and finding commonality in usage. The only way to understand the definition you provided correctly is to ask yourself what a "sort" or a "kind" is in the context of scripture as a whole. This is what I have done, more to the point this is what LEXICONS do (they look at every time a particular word is used in the bible and try and establish definitions through usage).

JW

[Capbook]

I was using the bible to explain the bible. Referring to one passage to help us understand how language is used in scripture is very common and quite useful.

I suppose through context, I speaks about Jesus and the Father and you refer to animals.
For me it seems not proper.

Looking at a word through "context" does not necessarily mean looking at the same subject, it means looking at how a word is used and finding commonality in usage. The only way to understand the definition you provided correctly is to ask yourself what a "sort" or a "kind" is in the context of scripture as a whole. This is what I have done, more to the point this is what LEXICONS do (they look at every time a particular word is used in the bible and try and establish definitions through usage).

JW

I've already stated it, the totality of kinds or sorts of all things the Father had, Jesus had it also.
The totality of kinds or sorts of all things in the sentence confined to the Father, not to the animals.
Ok, what is wrong with that sentence?

[JehovahsWitness]

The totality of kinds or sorts of all things in the sentence confined to the Father, not to the animals.
Ok, what is wrong with that sentence?

I can't say because I don't understand what you mean... when you say "kind' what are you referring to?

[Capbook]

The totality of kinds or sorts of all things in the sentence confined to the Father, not to the animals.
Ok, what is wrong with that sentence?

I can't say because I don't understand what you mean... when you say "kind' what are you referring to?

Of course you can't, because if you mean the other way, you'll be defining it away from the Bible lexicon definition.
It refer to "all kinds of things" what the Father had.

[JehovahsWitness]

The totality of kinds or sorts of all things in the sentence confined to the Father, not to the animals.
Ok, what is wrong with that sentence?

I can't say because I don't understand what you mean... when you say "kind' what are you referring to?

Of course you can't, because if you mean the other way, you'll be defining it away from the Bible lexicon definition.
It refer to "all kinds of things" what the Father had.

So how does the bible define a "kind"?