Is Stealing Wrong?

[Purple Knight]

Question for Debate: Is stealing wrong?

Sub-question if you said no: Alright, so let's say we have at least one situation (such as stealing to feed a starving child) where stealing would not make someone wrong. It logically follows then, that not stealing in that same situation, would not make someone right. They're not better morally than the person who did steal; if they were, then stealing would be wrong. So what does it make them - the person who was in that situation and didn't steal? How would you describe them in comparison to the person who did steal? Stupid? Evil? Cowardly?

[marke]

Question for Debate: Is stealing wrong?

Sub-question if you said no: Alright, so let's say we have at least one situation (such as stealing to feed a starving child) where stealing would not make someone wrong. It logically follows then, that not stealing in that same situation, would not make someone right. They're not better morally than the person who did steal; if they were, then stealing would be wrong. So what does it make them - the person who was in that situation and didn't steal? How would you describe them in comparison to the person who did steal? Stupid? Evil? Cowardly?

Modern leftists in the US have polluted morals as demonstrated by their justification of looting, assaulting cops, and voting fraud, among other evils.

[Purple Knight]

Modern leftists in the US have polluted morals as demonstrated by their justification of looting, assaulting cops, and voting fraud, among other evils.

The problem is they think the system is unfair. That's the same reason you think January 6th was justified.

In other words, it matters what happened before. If Trump was rightfully elected and there was fraud, then violence to protect the rightful office of presidency is justified. And if all of BLM's claims are true and the cops are racist then yes they have every right to upend the unfair system.

And if instead violence is never justified then people get to continue killing others through deceit, or stealing, or whatever they want to do, as long as they don't punch anybody.

Clearly we have a problem because if violence is justified based on what happened before, and people can't agree on what happened before, there's just going to be an eruption of justified violence on all sides. That's how I see it anyway: If both sides have genuinely introspected and genuinely believe they are being shafted, both participants in violence can be righteous. One party may have to be wrong due to logic but that doesn't mean the fallible human being had any way to know that. And never defending yourself because you might be in the wrong would make a terrible world.

[A Freeman]

EVERY crime is a form of theft.

When someone covets the belongings of someone else, they are thinking of and how they might steal the coveted item.

Adultery is the theft of another's spouse.

Murder is the theft of someone else's life.

Someone's negligent actions, that injure another, steal the injured party's health and livelihood.

Treating others unjustly/unfairly, or charging someone for "their day in a court" or anywhere else, is stealing justice from them.

Destroying the environment is stealing from future generations.

Institutionalized theft always results in oppression and debt slavery, as it puts the bulk of the resources -- which were a GIFT from our Creator and thus were meant to be shared equitably -- in the hands of a few, at the expense of everyone else.

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The example that is often given by those who wish to confuse this very simple, basic principle of right and wrong is usually something like this:

"what if a man steals to feed his family, is that wrong?"

The simple answer is this: there would be no poverty, and thus nobody trying to steal anything, if theft wasn't so integrated into society today. THAT is why people ask such a silly question. All of the mixed signals -- including sayings like "crime doesn't pay" while people watch the wealthy steal whatever they want from the poor on a daily basis -- have caused all of this confusion. At a deeper, spiritual level everyone knows, or should know, that theft in any form is a crime.

In other words, if everyone stopped stealing, there wouldn't be anyone so poor they couldn't feed their family. And if such a situation ever arose, there should be no shortage of people to ask for a helping hand.

Of course all of these basic, universal concepts, which are easy to understand and logically should be followed, seem unattainable in a sick society, where selfishness and materialism are so widely accepted and condoned very few can envision anything else.

A society where virtually everyone is "looking out for #1" is how we landed in this pile of #2.

So yes, stealing is wrong, from every angle.



Deuteronomy 15:1-8 (built-in debt relief, as part of the perfect economic policy found in our Creator's Law which would end poverty, if followed)
15:1 At the end of [every] seven years thou shalt make a release.
15:2 And this [is] the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth [ought] unto his neighbour shall release [it]; he shall not exact [it] of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the "I AM"'s release.
15:3 Of a Gentile (someone who is not an Israelite) thou mayest exact [it again]: but [that] which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release;
15:4 TO THE END THAT THERE BE NO POOR AMONG YOU; for the "I AM" shall greatly bless thee in the land which the "I AM" thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance to possess it:
15:5 Only if thou carefully hearken unto the voice of the "I AM" thy God, to observe to do all these Commandments which I command thee this day.
15:6 For the "I AM" thy God blesseth thee, as He promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee [if ye keep The Covenant].
15:7 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the "I AM" thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother:
15:8 But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, [in that] which he wanteth.

[marke]

Modern leftists in the US have polluted morals as demonstrated by their justification of looting, assaulting cops, and voting fraud, among other evils.

The problem is they think the system is unfair. That's the same reason you think January 6th was justified.

In other words, it matters what happened before. If Trump was rightfully elected and there was fraud, then violence to protect the rightful office of presidency is justified. And if all of BLM's claims are true and the cops are racist then yes they have every right to upend the unfair system.

And if instead violence is never justified then people get to continue killing others through deceit, or stealing, or whatever they want to do, as long as they don't punch anybody.

Clearly we have a problem because if violence is justified based on what happened before, and people can't agree on what happened before, there's just going to be an eruption of justified violence on all sides. That's how I see it anyway: If both sides have genuinely introspected and genuinely believe they are being shafted, both participants in violence can be righteous. One party may have to be wrong due to logic but that doesn't mean the fallible human being had any way to know that. And never defending yourself because you might be in the wrong would make a terrible world.

Democrats called the violent 2020 protests against the government and police "peaceful protests," but the lesser violent leftist inspired violence on Jan 6 "the worst violence in US history." That proves they are either deliberately lying or just stupid.