What is "a god?"

[placebofactor]

Men have imagined many myths, legends, idols, gods, goddesses, heroes, demons, angels, saints, sun gods, moon gods, the gods of the hills, and the thousands of gods of ancient Egypt, Assyria, Persia, Babylon, Greece, and Rome; if gathered together in one place their images would fill the Smithsonian or the Colosseum in Rome.

There are those on this forum that claim Jesus Christ is not the true God. If this is true, he must be a false god like all other gods mentioned above because there is only one true God. And if Jesus is only “a god” what is he the god of?

My Bible claims the true God or Jehovah as some prefer to call him is perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness and is to be worshipped by his faithful followers. The LORD is both the Creator and ruler of the universe; and in the Old Testament, he is called, “I Am, Elohim, or Jehovah.”

So, if Jesus Christ is only “a god,” he is not worthy of any Christian’s love, honor, or respect.

Some claim we can pay obeisance to Jesus, but we cannot worship him. If we can pay obeisance to Jesus who is only "a god," why would it be wrong to bow a knee to any man who claims to be God, or even Satan who is the prince of the power of the air?

[Capbook]

You just keep repeating the same opinions and false accusations, hoping they will somehow work. They won't.

Below is the Father's words and not my opinion. Now, what does the word "GOD" all in uppercase by NAS95 mean?
Heb 1:8 But regarding the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM
We have the following COMMANDMENT from God's Law concerning the NEED for multiple witnesses:

Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall NOT rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

We have it directly from God, in His Law, that a matter to be established it MUST have multiple witnesses.

The same holds true for Scripture, because God is NOT a hypocrite, and follows His own Law. That's why when someone comes along and says "look, this ONE verse says something that no other verse in Scripture says according to my interpretation of it", we can be absolutely certain that private interpretation of that ONE verse is WRONG.

I just quote Heb 1:8, It's not my words, it's the Father's own words. Do you mean that the Father was wrong saying that text?

In addition to The Law, we have the following references to this exact issue provided to us in the Book of Enoch, again in the New Covenant/Testament and also a confirmation of it in the Koran/Quran.

Enoch 104:8-11

THE INCORRECT WRITING OF GOD'S WORDS PROPHESIED:-

104:8 They shall speak evil things; they shall utter falsehood (ch. 97:2); create a great creation (false religions and religious traditions and technology); and compose books of their own words (books of man-made laws; books of the religious traditions of their fathers; novels; etc.; etc.; etc. - ch. 68:13).

HOW TO RECOGNISE AND CORRECT THE MISTAKES:-

But when they shall write correctly all My words in their own languages,
104:9 They (My words) shall neither change nor diminish (Mark 13:31; Matt. 5:17-19); but when all shall be written correctly; ALL, which from the first I have uttered concerning them SHALL CONCUR (John 10:35; Sura 15:9).
104:10 Another secret also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given Books of joy, of integrity, and of great Wisdom. To them shall Books be given (Rev. 2:17), in which they shall believe (and Live by);
104:11 And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be rewarded, who from these (Books) shall acquire the Knowledge of The Straight Way.

Sorry, I don't consider Apocryphal books inspired.

2 Peter 1:19-20
1:19 We have also the more sure word of Prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye TAKE HEED, as unto a Light that shineth in a dark place, until the Day dawn, and the Morning Star (Rev. 30:16) arise in your hearts:
1:20 Knowing this first, that no Prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation. Yes, maybe you've done your private interpretation of Heb 1:8.

Sura 39:23. "I AM" has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, CONSISTENT WITH ITSELF, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of "I AM"'s praises (Prov. 1:7; 9:10). Such is the Guidance from "I AM": He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as "I AM" leaves to stray, can have none to guide.

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The reason the Book of Enoch was wrongly removed from the Bible by the Roman Catholic church should be self-evident: it was to try to hide their very obvious attempts at tampering from the reader (e.g. their additions and intentional mistranslations, e.g. Hebrews 1:8, to 1 John 5:7, Matthew 28:19, Philippians 2:6 and the addition of the adulterous woman story to John 8, which they added around the time of the reformation).

I believe Protestant denominations do not consider Apocryphal books inspired.

IF the Bible is correctly transcribed and correctly translated into ANY language, it CANNOT have any inconsistencies, i.e. it is IMPOSSIBLE for there to be a single verse that goes against the rest of Scripture.

Psalm 45:6 doesn't have the words in it "But unto the Son he saith", which clearly means that Hebrews 1:8 has been tampered with, as it is meant to be a direct quote of Psalm 45:6. And, as anyone can see from what's been shared above, if someone were to wrongly interpret it to be claiming that the Son is God, then they very obviously are in error, because NOWHERE in all of Scripture does God call His own created Son (Prince Michael/Christ) "God". And that includes Hebrews 1:8.

Even classical Jews interpret Psa 45:6 as referred to their Jewish Messiah. They were the people of God in the Old Testament, are we more reliable that them?
And besides, if you interpret it as referred to a human king, where his forever and ever throne in the New Testament? As forever and ever defined as perpetual or continuing to exist.

Everything you've stated about Scripture in this thread is WRONG. You've been shown your errors on multiple occasions, and apparently have no desire to correct your errant viewpoint.

An opinion from a member of a literal unorthodox sect. I just quote Bible verses and just asked you just to see the wordings of it. Specially Psa 45:7 and Heb 1:9, the question was how many word "God" from those verses?

I just would like to inquire in your Bible contain the word "blasphemes"?
And how many verses have it?
Thanks in advance.

[A Freeman]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #56]
Hebrews 1:8 has been examined ad nauseum in these threads. It is a twisted version of the scripture, as the original verse in the original Hebrew does not say, "Thy throne O God," but "Your divine throne will last forever. This shows that Christ gets all of his power and authority from his Father, God.

Matthew 6:9-13 (commonly referred to as "The Lord's Prayer")
6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be THY name.
6:10 THY Kingdom come. THY Will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
6:12 And forgive us our debts and trespasses (if we truly repent), as we forgive our debtors and those who trespass against us (if they truly repent).
6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For THINE is The Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

The above prayer is what my Lord (Christ) said about THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, our heavenly Father and about HIS Divine Throne, Kingdom, Power and Glory (compare with Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8 and also with John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me.).

It is the great humility displayed above by Christ , to whom God has given everything (Matt. 28:18; Luke 1:31-33), that prompted the psalmist to share the following truth in Psalm 45:7, which is quoted below:

Hebrews 1:9 Thou (Christ) hast loved righteousness, and hated inequity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows (spirit-beings).

Why do so many struggle with such a simple truth about the One Whom God anointed, aka The Messiah/Christ, the firstborn/first-created Son of God, who serves God?

[servant1]

[Replying to Capbook in post #50]


Names are different in almost all languages. Yet are the same name.
Example-- Astarte( last t silent)= the false god associated with the pagan rites of spring. Yet in the Assyrian language=Ishtar( h is silent) pronounced (Eastar)-- so 2Thess 2:3 religion named the spring holiday for Jesus after a false god--how shameful any would believe he would accept it or participate in something putting a false god in front of their face.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #50]


Names are different in almost all languages. Yet are the same name.
Example-- Astarte( last t silent)= the false god associated with the pagan rites of spring. Yet in the Assyrian language=Ishtar( h is silent) pronounced (Eastar)-- so 2Thess 2:3 religion named the spring holiday for Jesus after a false god--how shameful any would believe he would accept it or participate in something putting a false god in front of their face.

Yes, I believe almost all were transliterated.
In some faith, are different like "Allah" in Arabic, I believe "God" in English.
But the Latinized had been described as an alteration not a transliteration.

[servant1]

[Replying to Capbook in post #64]


If you refer to Jehovah, that is Gods name. Some mislead monk in the 1500,s claims to have made that name up--he is full of it.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #64]


If you refer to Jehovah, that is Gods name. Some mislead monk in the 1500,s claims to have made that name up--he is full of it.

What you can see below is the one personal name of the Father.
Is your Latinized the original Tetragrammaton?

Deu 6:4 “Hear, O Yisra’ěl: יהוה our Elohim, יהוה is one!

[servant1]

[Replying to Capbook in post #66]

That is Gods name in Hebrew--We do not speak Hebrew. FACT=Our translations are in English.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #66]

That is Gods name in Hebrew--We do not speak Hebrew. FACT=Our translations are in English.

Yes, your FACT=English but used the Latinized of the Tetragrammaton. Bear in mind Latin is not English.

[placebofactor]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #56]
Hebrews 1:8 has been examined ad nauseum in these threads. It is a twisted version of the scripture, as the original verse in the original Hebrew does not say, "Thy throne O God," but "Your divine throne will last forever. This shows that Christ gets all of his power and authority from his Father, God.

Matthew 6:9-13 (commonly referred to as "The Lord's Prayer")
6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be THY name.
6:10 THY Kingdom come. THY Will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
6:12 And forgive us our debts and trespasses (if we truly repent), as we forgive our debtors and those who trespass against us (if they truly repent).
6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For THINE is The Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

The above prayer is what my Lord (Christ) said about THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, our heavenly Father and about HIS Divine Throne, Kingdom, Power and Glory (compare with Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8 and also with John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me.).

It is the great humility displayed above by Christ , to whom God has given everything (Matt. 28:18; Luke 1:31-33), that prompted the psalmist to share the following truth in Psalm 45:7, which is quoted below:

Hebrews 1:9 Thou (Christ) hast loved righteousness, and hated inequity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows (spirit-beings).

Why do so many struggle with such a simple truth about the One Whom God anointed, aka The Messiah/Christ, the firstborn/first-created Son of God, who serves God?

No, Jesus Christ is our heavenly Father. If not, Isaiah is a liar and should have been stoned to death. Here's another verse the Watchtower hates and in their next copyright will probably leave out.

Isaiah 9:6, here's my evidence: "For unto us (the Jews) a child is born, unto us a son (from the Father) is given; and the government (of the kingdom) shall be upon HIS (Jesus) shoulders: and his name shall be called Wonderful (is secret), Counsellor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of peace. And the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end. ---- "And the zeal of the LORD (Jehovah) of hosts will perform this."

[A Freeman]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #56]
Hebrews 1:8 has been examined ad nauseum in these threads. It is a twisted version of the scripture, as the original verse in the original Hebrew does not say, "Thy throne O God," but "Your divine throne will last forever. This shows that Christ gets all of his power and authority from his Father, God.

Matthew 6:9-13 (commonly referred to as "The Lord's Prayer")
6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be THY name.
6:10 THY Kingdom come. THY Will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
6:12 And forgive us our debts and trespasses (if we truly repent), as we forgive our debtors and those who trespass against us (if they truly repent).
6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For THINE is The Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

The above prayer is what my Lord (Christ) said about THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, our heavenly Father and about HIS Divine Throne, Kingdom, Power and Glory (compare with Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8 and also with John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me.).

It is the great humility displayed above by Christ , to whom God has given everything (Matt. 28:18; Luke 1:31-33), that prompted the psalmist to share the following truth in Psalm 45:7, which is quoted below:

Hebrews 1:9 Thou (Christ) hast loved righteousness, and hated inequity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows (spirit-beings).

Why do so many struggle with such a simple truth about the One Whom God anointed, aka The Messiah/Christ, the firstborn/first-created Son of God, who serves God?

No, Jesus Christ is our heavenly Father.

Wrong again. The Father is NOT the Son, nor does God "role play" as His own Son, nor as three different characters, nor does 3=1, nor is there a single verse in all of Scripture where Jesus EVER claimed to be Father or God. In fact, Jesus made it a point to tell us that our heavenly Father and God is also his heavenly Father and God, which should be enough for anyone who actually believes what Jesus said.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

If not, Isaiah is a liar and should have been stoned to death.

Why? Because you have difficulty reading and/or don't understand what you're reading? That would certainly explain why you are so often in error.

Here's another verse the Watchtower hates and in their next copyright will probably leave out.

Who cares what the Watchtower hates? Anyone who doesn't have a genuine love for the Truth is in extreme danger of finding themselves in The Fire, including everyone who idolizes the Babylonian/Roman "trinity", thereby breaking the First and Most Important COMMANDment (Exod. 20:3-6; Mark 12:30).

Sura 4:167-175
4:167. Those who reject Faith and obstruct (men) from The Way of God , have verily strayed far, far away from The Way (The Covenant).
4:168. Those who reject Faith and do wrong,- God will not forgive them nor guide them to any way
4:169. Except the way of Hell-Fire, to dwell therein for ever. And this to God is easy.
4:170. O Mankind! The Messenger hath come to you in truth from God: believe him: it is best for you. But if ye reject Faith, to God belong all things in the heavens and on Earth: and God is All-knowing, All-wise.
4:171. O People of The Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God aught but the Truth. Jesus the (human) son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of God; and His Word (John 1:14), which He bestowed on Mary's (human) son; was a spirit-Being (Christ) proceeding from Him (making the human+Being called Jesus+Christ): so believe God and His Apostles. Say NOT "Trinity": DESIST: it will be better for you: for "I AM" is one God (Deut. 6:4; Mark 12:29). Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a human son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on Earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.
4:172. Christ commandeth YE to serve and worship God, so do the angels, those nearest (to God): those who scorn His worship and are arrogant,- He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).
4:173. But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards,- and more, out of His bounty: but those who are scornful and arrogant, He will punish with a grievous Penalty; nor will they find, besides God, any to protect or help them.
4:174. O mankind! Verily there hath come to you a convincing proof from your Lord: for We have sent unto you a Light (that is) manifest (John 8:3).
4:175. Then those who believe God, and hold fast to Him,- soon will He admit them to Mercy and Grace from Himself, and guide them to Himself by The Straight Way (Deut. 9:12-16; Deut. 11:28; Deut. 13:5; Deut. 31:29; John 14:6).

Isaiah 9:6, here's my evidence: "For unto us (the Jews) a child is born, unto us a son (from the Father) is given; and the government (of the kingdom) shall be upon HIS (Jesus) shoulders: and his name shall be called Wonderful (is secret), Counsellor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of peace. And the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end. ---- "And the zeal of the LORD (Jehovah) of hosts will perform this."

What was Isaiah? A PROPHET.

What do prophets do? THEY PROPHESY.

Isaiah 9:6 very clearly and truthfully PROPHESIED that "his name SHALL BE CALLED Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Note well that it does NOT say that Jesus is/was all of these things; only that he shall be called all of these things, exactly as has happened.

So Isaiah had it exactly right, and you have it exactly wrong...AGAIN.