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The children of Bigvai, two thousand fifty and six. 
(Ezra 2:14)
The children of Bigvai, two thousand threescore and seven. 
(Nehemiah 7:19)

The children of Adin, four hundred fifty and four. 
(Ezra 2:15)
The children of Adin, six hundred fifty and five. 
(Nehemiah 7:20)

The children of Azgad, one thousand two hundred twenty and two. 
(Ezra 2:12)
The children of Azgad, two thousand three hundred twenty and two. 
(Nehemiah 7:17)

The children of Bani, six hundred forty and two. 
(Ezra 2:10)
The children of Binnui, six hundred forty and eight. 
(Nehemiah 7:15)

The children of Senaah, three thousand and six hundred and thirty. 
(Ezra 2:35)
The children of Senaah, three thousand nine hundred and thirty. 
(Nehemiah 7:38)

The singers: the children of Asaph, an hundred twenty and eight. 
(Ezra 2:41)
The singers: the children of Asaph, a hundred forty and eight. 
(Nehemiah 7:44)

Why so many number problems?
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Athetotheist wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:18 pm The children of Bigvai, two thousand fifty and six. 
(Ezra 2:14)
The children of Bigvai, two thousand threescore and seven. 
(Nehemiah 7:19)
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Could it be that there were two times it happened?
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1213 wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:12 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:18 pm The children of Bigvai, two thousand fifty and six. 
(Ezra 2:14)
The children of Bigvai, two thousand threescore and seven. 
(Nehemiah 7:19)
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Could it be that there were two times it happened?
They all refer to the same event----the return from Babylon.
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1213 wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:12 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:18 pm The children of Bigvai, two thousand fifty and six. 
(Ezra 2:14)
The children of Bigvai, two thousand threescore and seven. 
(Nehemiah 7:19)
...
Could it be that there were two times it happened?
Good call. My bible encyclopedia* has the following entry....

Forefather of some 2,000 “sons of Bigvai” who returned to Jerusalem with Zerubbabel in 537 B.C.E. (Ezr 2:1, 2, 14; Ne 7:19) Later, in 468 B.C.E., more of his descendants made the trip with Ezra.​—Ezr 8:1, 14. - *Insight on the scriptures pub. Watchtower society
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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #4]
Forefather of some 2,000 “sons of Bigvai” who returned to Jerusalem with Zerubbabel in 537 B.C.E. (Ezr 2:1, 2, 14; Ne 7:19) Later, in 468 B.C.E., more of his descendants made the trip with Ezra.​—Ezr 8:1, 14. - *Insight on the scriptures pub. Watchtower society
"The total number of the entire congregation was 42,360, apart from their male and female slaves, who were 7,337; they also had 200 male and female singers."
(Ezra 2:64-65, NWT)

"The total number of the entire congregation was 42,360, apart from their male and female slaves, who were 7,337; they also had 245 male and female singers."
(Nehemiah 7:66-67, NWT)
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Athetotheist wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:30 pm They all refer to the same event----the return from Babylon.
Yes, and the same event could have happened two times. Is there something in the Bible that really indicates they are speaking about the same time?

For example Wikipedia says:
"The Babylonian captivity or Babylonian exile was the period in Jewish history during which a large number of Judeans from the ancient Kingdom of Judah were forcibly relocated to Babylonia by the Neo-Babylonian Empire.[1] The deportations occurred in multiple waves: After the siege of Jerusalem in 597 BCE, around 7,000 individuals were deported to Mesopotamia. Further deportations followed the destruction of Jerusalem and Solomon's Temple in 587 BCE.[1]"
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Yes, and the same event could have happened two times. Is there something in the Bible that really indicates they are speaking about the same time?
Ezra 2 and Nehemiah 7 give the same total for the entire congregation, but their internal numbers are inconsistent. They also differ on the number of singers.
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Athetotheist wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:00 am [Replying to 1213 in post #6]
Yes, and the same event could have happened two times. Is there something in the Bible that really indicates they are speaking about the same time?
Ezra 2 and Nehemiah 7 give the same total for the entire congregation, but their internal numbers are inconsistent. They also differ on the number of singers.
I think the same number could be just a coincidence and doesn't necessary mean it is about the same case. At this moment I don't see any reason to think the are speaking about the same case, mostly because there is so many differences in the numbers and nothing useful supports the idea that they are about the same case.
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