Spiritual Israel, or 144,000 Jews?

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[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

IdK who the 144,000 could be. I'm still trying to figure out this.

The 144,000 are all of Christ's anointed followers that will join him in ruling over the earth.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

IdK who the 144,000 could be. I'm still trying to figure out this.

The 144,000 are all of Christ's anointed followers that will join him in ruling over the earth.

Yes, they are spiritual Israel, as Jesus and his Apostles made clear. Note Peter's letter to Christians in Asia: "You are a 'chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies' of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. For you were once not a people, but are now God's people." (I Peter 2:9,10)

James said: "Peter has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations, to take out of them a people for his name." (Acts 15:14)

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[onewithhim]

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But the teaching /the idea **IS** ...




Correct, I do not disagree with you, the verse is speaking about the church, consisting of Jews and Gentiles in Christ Jesus.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

Placebofactor, so there IS mention of a spiritual Israel in the Bible. And this spiritual Israel is the Christian congregation, fully dedicated to Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. Peter was writing to Christians when he penned IPeter 2:5. He went on:

"But you are a 'chosen race,' a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession....For you were once not a people, but are now God's people." (IPeter 2:9,10)

So if you read all of IPeter 2:4-10 you will see that there certainly is a spiritual house.

Sorry, Peter was writing to the Jews (strangers) scattered throughout the Roman Empire. Gentiles are not strangers in their own land; Jews are.

Peter was clearly writing to Christians (whether they be Jews or Gentiles) in Asia. The Christian congregation is the new (spiritual) nation that God has made His special possession. The KJV uses the word "strangers" in IPeter 1:1, but that is misleading. The NASB, for instance, says: "To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen." How were they "aliens"? Because their home was in heaven. They were like aliens when on the earth because the earth was not their final destination.

Sorry, Peter was writing to the Jews who lived in foreign lands. Peter speaks of Jesus as a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence. Jesus was never a stone of stumbling or a rock of offence to the Gentiles, only to the Jews.

1 Peter 2:12, "Having your (the Jews) conversation honest among the Gentiles.'

1 Peter 3:6, "Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord; whose daughter you are," Gentiles are not of the daughters of Abraham and Sara." Gentiles are adopted into the blessings.

Besides, Jesus commanded his apostles, Matthew 10:5, "Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter you not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Peter obeyed the Lord. When he went into the gentile lands, he went to the Jewish synagogues, or he wrote to the Jews in foreign countries. Paul and Barnabas were the apostles to the Gentiles.

Romans 11:13, Paul said, "For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles," He is also the apostle of Jesus Christ."

Jesus said, Acts 9:15, concerning Paul, "For he (Paul) is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name (not the Father's name) before the Gentiles, and kings and the children of Israel."

[onewithhim]

Placebofactor, so there IS mention of a spiritual Israel in the Bible. And this spiritual Israel is the Christian congregation, fully dedicated to Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. Peter was writing to Christians when he penned IPeter 2:5. He went on:

"But you are a 'chosen race,' a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession....For you were once not a people, but are now God's people." (IPeter 2:9,10)

So if you read all of IPeter 2:4-10 you will see that there certainly is a spiritual house.

Sorry, Peter was writing to the Jews (strangers) scattered throughout the Roman Empire. Gentiles are not strangers in their own land; Jews are.

Peter was clearly writing to Christians (whether they be Jews or Gentiles) in Asia. The Christian congregation is the new (spiritual) nation that God has made His special possession. The KJV uses the word "strangers" in IPeter 1:1, but that is misleading. The NASB, for instance, says: "To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen." How were they "aliens"? Because their home was in heaven. They were like aliens when on the earth because the earth was not their final destination.

Sorry, Peter was writing to the Jews who lived in foreign lands. Peter speaks of Jesus as a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence. Jesus was never a stone of stumbling or a rock of offence to the Gentiles, only to the Jews.

Sorry, but, as I posted above, Peter was writing to Christians in Asia---Jews that had become believers, as well as Gentiles who had become believers. They comprised a "holy nation, a chosen race, a people for a special possession," since God "for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name." (Acts 15:14)

[Capbook]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

IdK who the 144,000 could be. I'm still trying to figure out this.

The 144,000 are all of Christ's anointed followers that will join him in ruling over the earth.

Yes, they are spiritual Israel, as Jesus and his Apostles made clear. Note Peter's letter to Christians in Asia: "You are a 'chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies' of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. For you were once not a people, but are now God's people." (I Peter 2:9,10)

James said: "Peter has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations, to take out of them a people for his name." (Acts 15:14)

Yes, one verse also mentioned who were the people of God. (Heb 4:9)