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"Slavery" in the Bible

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Allow us readers to be very careful. We must make sure we identify the proper context here, to assure against hasty and/or self-serving conclusions.

Exodus 21:2-3:

"2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him." <-- Okay, this seems clear enough, if you are a purchased Hebrew, with a wife, you are both to go free in year 7. :ok:

Exodus 21:4:

"4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free." <-- Here is where things start to look sketchy for the modern-day believer. If the slave is provided with a wife, and they have kids, the wife and kids are to stay with the slave master. They are not to go free.

Exodus 21:5-6:

"5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges.[a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life." <-- More uncomfortability for the Christian here. Without getting into the weeds, common sense suggests a special rule is made to trick the male Hebrew into remaining a slave for life.

Leviticus 25:44-46:

"44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." <-- More awkwardness for the believer, as the Bible reader clammers to find a rationale to make this passage not read the way it does.

Here is a basic definition of chattel slavery --> "Chattel slavery is full slavery in its traditional form whereby slaves are the complete property of their master, can be bought and sold by him and treated in any way that he wishes, which may include torture and other brutality, excessively bad working conditions, and sexual exploitation"

Looks like all the ingredients fit the given Bible description here, minus the torture. Wait a minute, this is covered in the rest of Exodus 21. (i.e.):

"20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." <-- So basically, since the slave is your property, beatings with impunity are acceptable. Just don't kill them.

For debate:

By applying common sense, does/did the Bible ever, and/or currently still sanction chattel slavery?

Again, by using common sense, can a believer effectively use the Bible in support of breeding chattel slaves?

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Before you answer, consider this.... Since the NT does not mention the abolition of 'slavery', and yet the Bible makes further proclamation(s) and/or addendums (in favor of retaining 'slavery',) this means the Bible is not against chattel slavery either. Further, the Christian may want to introduce the importance of the 'golden rule'. However, the specifics outweigh the generals. The specifics of the rules for engagement of slavery are outside the 'golden rule'. Otherwise, the Bible would be a one-pager. 'Slavery' is an expressed exception to the general rule. Thus, anytime a specific scenario is not invoked, yes, 'golden rule.'
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The American Working Class Civilian Taxpayer has something similar to the Year Of Jubilee

it would be Social Security Income ?

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ledgeRAILz wrote: Thu Jun 19, 2025 4:36 pm The American Working Class Civilian Taxpayer has something similar to the Year Of Jubilee

it would be Social Security Income ?
I have absolutely no idea what to do with this obscure and very random and unrelated response?

Below are the debate questions from the OP:

For debate:

By applying common sense, does/did the Bible ever, and/or currently still sanction chattel slavery?

Again, by using common sense, can a believer effectively use the Bible in support of breeding chattel slaves?

I've already argued that the answer to these two debate questions is Yes! If you disagree, please explain why?
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Re: "Slavery" in the Bible

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Sorry for not explaining myself

Year Of Jubilee was something like retirement here in the USA where every 50 years Hebrew citizens would have their property returned to them such as land and homes they previously owned before they went into debt or lost their property due to poverty or bad times,

NON HEBREWS - ALIENS - STRANGERS - FORIGNERS - did not receive this privilege and their debts must be paid off in full and they would remain a working class society who worked to completely pay off all debts.

I believe that there is some confusion or misinformation that is calling this as - SLAVERY

Can we please be provided with or be shown an example of slavery in the Bible - outside of this year of jubilee where it is mentioning how that all debts that foreigners, strangers and aliens have in Israel can be bought and sold

the debts that the strangers have can be transferred, sold and bought to another individual who can relocate the indentured / indebted worker to a new location - - a new individual can buy their workers debts and the alien / stranger must repay all debts here in - - - - Lev 25


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Re: "Slavery" in the Bible

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ledgeRAILz wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:45 pm .

Sorry for not explaining myself

Year Of Jubilee was something like retirement here in the USA where every 50 years Hebrew citizens would have their property returned to them such as land and homes they previously owned before they went into debt or lost their property due to poverty or bad times,
I'm aware. But now we are in a little pickle. Which claims takes higher precedence?

1. You may keep your slaves for life.

or

2. You may release your slaves once every 50 years.

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And if you argue for option 2., then we still have issues anyways, in the sense that most slaves had a very short lifespan -- especially in those days. Many are still chattel slaves for life regardless.
ledgeRAILz wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:45 pm NON HEBREWS - ALIENS - STRANGERS - FORIGNERS - did not receive this privilege and their debts must be paid off in full and they would remain a working class society who worked to completely pay off all debts.

I believe that there is some confusion or misinformation that is calling this as - SLAVERY
I already explained in the OP. I'm asking if the Bible supports forms of chattel slavery. It pretty much does.
ledgeRAILz wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:45 pm Can we please be provided with or be shown an example of slavery in the Bible - outside of this year of jubilee where it is mentioning how that all debts that foreigners, strangers and aliens have in Israel can be bought and sold
I already have, many times now. You can start by addressing the OP.
ledgeRAILz wrote: Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:45 pm the debts that the strangers have can be transferred, sold and bought to another individual who can relocate the indentured / indebted worker to a new location - - a new individual can buy their workers debts and the alien / stranger must repay all debts here in - - - - Lev 25

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The Bible supports all kinds of slavery, including forms of lifetime chattel slavery. It explains in Exodus 21 and Leviticus 25.

The master is also granted permission to produce new slaves, ala slave breeding.
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Re: "Slavery" in the Bible

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I apologize for not taking the time to respond with a full explanation of what the Scriptures are literally saying.

I have taken the time to go in and read the entire Chapter word for word and here is what the passages are saying - exactly….
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The verse is saying that if a Man cannot pay his debts or if he needs to put his Daughter to work to make money to help the family survive. - then “ IF “ he has a good place of safety for his daughter to go where she can be placed for a contract that can last for seven years,,,,, if needed .
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Then - The daughter can have a future with opportunity for a plan of freedom from her family debt and crisis and have a future of security.
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Let’s look at exactly what 
E xo 21:7 is really saying in the original Hebrew manuscripts.
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:7 That a IF man is selling { CONTRACTING } his { Own } daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out { end the contract } as the other servants do.

:8 I there is a problem in the eyes of the { Contractor } Boss in which He Has not Agreed that Her contract has been met or paid. { To pay off the Fathers Debt }

Then the Contracting of Her out to OTHER strangers among the people is treacherous and an evil transgression.

:10 If he { the Father } takes himself another wife; the food, the raiment, and her marriage, shall not be lessened or withheld.

Verse 
10 was saying that If a Father in debt has a daughter that If he takes Himself another wife after He knows his daughter is coming back home after she has ended her contract or her boss is not satisfied fully with her performance or feels the debt is not paid due to whatever circumstance. ……

…….that the father while taking in another wife or taking in anyone else into His household, he shall not diminish the daughter's rights and clothing and the daughter's marriage potential, rights and abilities……... { and overall basic rights. } as a daughter..,.,..

In other words - - The daughter always holds a heritage right and the right to get married no matter how much the father is in debt.

And if he { The Father } has contracted out a son, deal as in the manner of the daughters.

The Bible HERE was maintaining the Heritage and 
heirship and inheritance rights of the Children.

Saying that no matter the situation, the Father is always to honor His Children - Even If he can not pay His debts and the Children are unable to fully assist in paying off the debts, that the Father cannot give His children to strangers to be contracted out.

That's all it was saying in the Original.
There is nothing about marriage - concerning the daughter in the passage.
The Hebrew word betrothed that the translators led You to believe was about marriage - This word simply means ( AN AGREMENT } - Or Contract.

Please note that the word that the TRANSLATORS are claiming means that a BOSS or Master or CONTRACTOR whom has betrothed a daughter , - - is not exclusive to mean as a word meaning betrothed in MARRIAGE.


This Hebrew word betrothed is always used in " ALL " other places that have NOTHING to do with marriage. NOTHING.

- and it is the 
Hebrew word - יעד - yâ‛ad / yaw-ad'

Meaning to AGREE or fix upon a point of agreement (by agreement or appointment); by implication to meet (at a stated arranged set time), to summon (to trial), To agree, (make an) appoint ), set (a time............... 
it has nothing to do with MARRIAGE - But it is not a special word that is applied to a man and a woman being betrothed.


But is used in 
ALL other places EVERY SINGLE TIME - to mean an agreement of a contract or an appointment such as here in Exo 25:22 / Exo 29:42 / Exo 29:43 / Exo 30:6 / Exo 30:36 / Num 17:4 - God set up SET times and places for an appointments to meet with Moses.


Also this word is used Here in 
Num 10:3 Num 10:4 Num 14:35 Num 16:11 Num 27:3 Jos 11:5 - It means here that a Congregation and or Kings or Leaders will MEET.
This word in your translation is NEVER, NEVER EVER once used again in the entire Translation to indicate a Marriage engagement. The Translators LIED, This word is used over 
35 times in the Old Testament.


Never Once _ NEVER _ - is it used to mean betrothed. The Translators were not being honest.
This word that the translators claim is used to mean betrothed ! - they never, ever used this word ever again throughout their entire translation in any other verse, to mean betrothed.
This word is the word - " 
AGREED " - here in Amo 3:3.
Amo 3:

The verse was simply discussing that the FATHER and the Contractor had an agreement plan.

The FATHER WAS NOT PIMPING OUT HIS DAUGHTER.

The word for Engagement or Betrothed in marriage - in the Bible… Is - Hebrew – ארשׂ…..'âraś / Aw-ras'.

To engage for matrimony: - betroth, espouse. This word is always used to mean Betrothed in marriage.
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EXODUS 21 - in the original Manuscripts = has nothing to do with marriage.

The correct word that the translators use for “ espoused “ is actually the Hebrew word for Contract, or Agreement . 

The Translators had no interest in or idea what they were translating.

And people in debt under a contract who were having seX were not to be the burden of the boss or contractor paying their debts - while under the contract to pay off their debts. If they were having children and taking wives to themselves then the debt could never be paid and there would be no point.

The Goal was to Keep the Hebrews OUT of debt, pay off their dues - Go back to their property DEBT FREE - And then get married and have children.

The Contractor or Debt Payer / or BOSS / Master could hold the Children and the Wife at work until their debts were paid - if the Debtor MALE was irresponsible and engaging in getting married and having kids while attempting to pay off His debt.

They were to wait before they are able to afford to have a husband or wife and children, not place the whole burden of feeding the wives and all the other children that were produced in seven whole years off on the WELFARE STATE of whomever was paying off the debt.

In other words, the children were not the problem of the society just to run around screwing everything that moved while being unable to take care of themselves or afford it…….…….. eXpecting Your boss to pay for Your children while You were working to pay off a debt was not going to be an easy ride home with all Your children and wives You copulated into existence while paying and working off Your debt.

The entire Hebrew country would be a welfare nightmare city… A city of poverty and people who expect others to pay for their sensual joys, pleasures and adventures…this was not a sexual journey but a chance to get debt free, maintain your family inheritance and move on to have your own family afterwards. not play animal farm with the bosses female workers and rack up more debt

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Re: "Slavery" in the Bible

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in fact many people read " Exo 21 " and think that verse # :10 is about a man having multiple wives or some obscure comment

in fact - it is about respecting your daughter before getting remarried or taking on a second wife

:7  And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. 

:8  If she please not her master, who hath himself agreed , then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange people he shall have no power, _ IF - seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. 

:9  And if he have agreed concerning his son, he shall deal with - HIM - after the manner of daughters. 

:10  If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. 

this passage in verse :10 is about the father making sure he is responsible to his daughters inheritance as well and when taking a new wife while his daughter is out working hard to pay off the family debt - the father has a duty to his working daughter as well.

the translators just go in and add extra words to try to make it sound poetic and updated but its just so very very basic language structure.. ... just a words by word ancient text - very simple language .. not complicated and fanciful..,..

many people think God is winking and silently nodding his head in the background and holding up cue cards and throwing hints and sly suggestions into everything...

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[Replying to ledgeRAILz in post #695]

You just completely moved on to other topic(s). You brought up the Jubilee. I responded. Here it is again:

Which claim takes higher precedence?

1. You may keep your slaves for life.

or

2. You may release your slaves once every 50 years.

And if you argue for option 2., then we still have issues anyways, in the sense that most slaves had a very short lifespan -- especially in those days. Many are still chattel slaves for life regardless.

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Did or does the Bible condone any form of lifetime chattel slavery, as I defined it in the OP?

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Did or does the Bible condone slave breeding?
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