Eternity first, then time

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For this particular study, I request that we use the K.J.B. Why? For many reasons, first, it has been used for over 400 years by millions if not billions of Christians throughout the earth and has been written in every language known to man. Now, if you are referring to the Father as God, write Father, so there is no misunderstanding. If you are referring to Jesus, refer to him as the Logos, Word, or Wisdom. In this, we can understand your thoughts.

Now, because we are limited in our thinking, we can, with little understanding, grasp the concept of eternity. We all agree that the Father is eternal, that he is without beginning or end, infinite, and everlasting. This brings us to the meaning of the word eternity. Eternity is a term used to express the concept of something that has no beginning or end.

Time: Physics tells us that time is a property resulting from the existence of matter and a created order. As such, time exists when matter exists. But the Father is not matter; It was the Father who created matter. So, time began when Elohim spoke the first words, “Let there be.” So, we can reason, in eternity before time began, there was no matter, and because God does not change, time had no existence and therefore no meaning. So when the heavens and earth were spoken into existence by the Word of God, time began.

In many verses, Scripture reveals that the Father and Son lived outside the bounds of time, existing in eternity before matter was created, and before time began. To exist in eternity before time, would mean the Father and the Logos are eternal.

2 Timothy 1:9, “Who have been saved, and called us with an holy calling, --- according to his purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus (the Logos) before the world began.”

Ephesians 1:4, He (the Father) has chosen us in him (the Word) before the foundation of the world,”

1 Peter 1:19-20, The Word is “A lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,” See also Titus 1:2, and Hebrews 11:3,

Now I would like to focus on Proverbs 8:22-31
In these verses, divine wisdom is personified. There are two ways in which Wisdom may be considered—as a quality conferred on man, or as an attribute inherent in the Divine Being. Proverbs 8 includes both. But when the description is carried higher, and Wisdom is represented as the companion of the Father, even before the creation of the world, we are constrained to consider it as an attribute of the Divine Being.

Also, Christian scholars over the last 19 centuries have explained these verses as referring to the Logos, offering absolute proof of the Father and Son’s Divinity. John alluded to Proverbs 8 in the introduction to his Gospel, where he speaks of Jesus under the character of the Logos, which may be rendered either the Wisdom, the Reason, or the Word of God.

Jesus the Logos, whose personality and distinct subsistence are said to be one with the Father. He is of the same essence, yet a separate Divine person in himself, Proverbs 8:22, The Father possessed him in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.” Verse 23, He was set up (anointed), from everlasting, from the beginning or ever the earth was.” When there was no depth, or fountains, mountains, or hills, abounding with water, the Logos was brought forth ‘’

So, Proverbs clearly indicates that the Logos, (Jesus) existed before time began; therefore, he is from eternity.
So, the Father possessed his Son, the Logos, before the beginning of his ways, and before his eternal counsels, for the Father’s ways and eternal counsels were before his works, the creation. Therefore, both the Father and the Logos are from eternity and have no beginning. The Father’s purposes, ways, and counsel are in himself; therefore, his ways, purpose, and counsel are also eternal.

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... Therefore, both the Father and the Logos are from eternity and have no beginning. ..

Or is he created?

… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation...
Col. 1:14-16

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... Therefore, both the Father and the Logos are from eternity and have no beginning. ..

Or is he created?

… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation...
Col. 1:14-16

If Jesus was created, he was created in eternity before time began. As I mentioned in my post, the Father is eternal; his purpose, ways, and counsels are also eternal. Therefore, Jesus is eternal, for he was a lamb slain before the foundation of the earth was created, meaning before time began.

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... Therefore, both the Father and the Logos are from eternity and have no beginning. ..

Or is he created?

… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation...
Col. 1:14-16

If Jesus was created, he was created in eternity before time began. As I mentioned in my post, the Father is eternal; his purpose, ways, and counsels are also eternal. Therefore, Jesus is eternal, for he was a lamb slain before the foundation of the earth was created, meaning before time began.

Jesus said John 17:5, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was."

Jesus was to return to his pre-existent glory, the glory he had in eternity, before the heavens and earth were formed, and before time began. The Son of God asked to be reinvested, the design of his veiling being accomplished, not as before, but now in the nature of a man.

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The following is not my opinion or my understanding. I have quoted verses directly from the Scripture. Let’s begin with the following two verses.
John 1:18, “No man has see God (the Father) at any time; the only begotten Son which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.”

So, it is the Son alone who can declare, teach, make known, or reveal the will, power, authority, and glory of the Father. How? All the Father’s attributes and Divinity are displayed in his Son.

John 5:37, Jesus is speaking, “The Father himself, which has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape (form.)”

How far back in time can we take these words? I say we can take them back to the days of Adam and Eve, when both spoke and walked in the garden with their Creator, who is called Jehovah.

And because of what John has revealed, it appears from the above verses that Jesus was the primary figure interacting with the ancient prophets and humanity throughout the Old Testament while the Father remained unseen and unheard. So, we may conclude that from the beginning of time as we know it, the Son of God was sent out from eternity to create the heavens, earth, time, and everything in them.