The Exodus! Did it Really Happen?

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The Bible claims an Exodus took place. Many state it was not an actual event. Since the Bible makes a positive claim, in that an 'Exodus" took place, do we have positive evidence to support the claim?

For Debate:

1. Outside the Bible saying so, do we have evidence? If so, what?

2. If it should turn out that the Exodus did not take place, does this fact sway the Christian believer's position at all? Or, does it not matter one way or another?

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you slap a label on me and pretend that I'm some zealous Bible disbeliever.

Quote one time where you believed the Bible on anything. Or, even said anything good about the Bible. Include Post #.

Are you trying to drag me down to your level so you can beat me with experience? I ask because my claim was true, that you simply slap labels on me in place of addressing what I say. Above, instead of addressing the actual charge, you make demands of me. This is poor debate from your end and I'm not falling for your ruse.

The subject is now about faith. Quoting books about faith is due diligence. The Bible is the most recognized authority on the subject of faith, by virtue of being the oldest Book about having faith, as well as the most common Book of faith in the world.

This is not interesting and is just an argumentum ad antiquitatem anyway. An argumentum ad antiquitatem is a logical fallacy that claims something is true or better simply because it is old or has been done for a long time.

The same can almost be said about being an authority on the subject of God and the gods. It's not the oldest Book written about them, but it's still the most widespread Book.

Copy/paste to save time: "An argumentum ad antiquitatem is a logical fallacy that claims something is true or better simply because it is old or has been done for a long time."

Bible authority is in two ways:

1. The Author of the Bible knows the words He's written more than anyone else. No one can correct the Author about what words He's written in His own Book.

2. The Bible is one of the oldest and the most widespread authority on 3 subjects: God and gods, faith, and general ancient near east history. (On the last one, some recorded history in the Bible of the Assyrian empire, was rejected as false, until modern archeology proved it true.)

I acknowledge that you believe these things and see nothing worth debating.

Without doing our due diligence, then any faith we have is dead.

Um, ok... I acknowledge that you believe that faith is dead without our due diligence and see nothing worth debating.

Blind, irresponsible, and dead faith should be avoided.

Then we agree. Faith should be avoided because it can lead people to believing in Allah and other false teachings. I do not find it strange that religions rely on faith. When there is no 'reason', faith is all that is left. I'm sure you agree that there is no reason to believe that Allah is the one true God, but via faith, billions do in fact hold to such a belief. Don't you agree that faith should be avoided as it is literally a required mechanism in order to believe that false things are true.

However faith itself is unavoidable among human beings, since it's what we're born with and separates us from the animals.

I avoid faith at all costs and instead use reason. I acknowledge that you believe that faith is unavoidable though. I would suggest you try before arriving at such a conclusion.

The Bible teaches we are are born with faith as a gift, not to animals, which we should use wisely for good results.

That the Bible and other religions praise faith is expected, because of the lack of 'reason' in most religions.
Seriously, how else are you going to believe that animals spoke, or that a guy lived in a fish for days or that the bodies of long dead saints got out of their graves and walked Jerusalem appearing to many for just a few examples! Of course the Bible must teach that faith is good or even a gift, but it's actually not as it is a mechanism that religions use to get followers to believe false things, like that Muhammed flew on a winged horse.

We are successful by grace through faith, which is the gift of God to all men coming into the world:

This is just an empty religious platitude. It's also preaching and against the rules. I wish you followed the rules around here like our godless atheists are able to do.

Only if a person believes that all faith is blind, irresponsible, and dead.

Nope, arguing that the Bible is the first book to talk about faith like you have done and continue to do, still just shows weakness in the book (because of the reliance on faith over 'reason'). You offer no challenge to what I say when you try to differentiate between different types of faith.

Which in itself is is a circular argument, since that's only a foolish belief in the first place.

You need to learn what a circular argument is then.
For example: "Faith is good because the Bible says that faith is good"

However, once again, faith itself is unavoidable, since in the home inspection, it's still takes faith that it was done accurately and thoroughly.

False, and demonstrably so.
Hiring the professional is what provides the reason or the lack of reason to purchase the said home. You fail to acknowledge this because you want faith and reason to be synonymous, but they aren't. Faith that the house is a good buy doesn't cut it, which is why banks demand an inspection (assuming financing of course). A banking industry that worked off of faith would be a laughable failure.

And even then, it takes faith that the house will remain that way after the sale and before moving in.

When the roof is inspected by a professional and deemed to be in good repair, that removes the need to have faith that your roof is in good repair, because the professional provided you with reason.

Now don't get confused that I'm arguing that 'reason' is fool proof. An inspector can make mistakes, but buying homes without inspections will yield worse purchases when compared to buying homes inspected by a professional. Again, avoid faith and gain as much 'reason' to purchase the home (or not to) as you can.

There's also the faith it takes to walk to a bathroom, believing it's working enough to use, and more importantly the faith to get on an airplane to fly in...

I have over a decade of reasons to believe that when I walk into my bathroom, things will be working. So much so that I bet you $100,000 that when I walk into any of my bathrooms this evening, they will all be working.
Now imagine such a bet when all reason is removed. Like how it would take faith to believe that If I walked into your bathroom, things will be working. Now all of a sudden that $100,000 is a lot more risky and you know it. Why, because reason, to trust in your bathroom working is lacking. Now if I had an inspector, inspect your bathroom, now I would have reason to accept or decline the bet. You know I'm right about all this.

ANd with the airplane ride, no one takes it upon themselves to diligently inspect the plane, nor even demand the inspection records. We simp,ly take it almost on blind faith, that they've been properly done. Even then, we still have faith for a successful flight.

Faith is not needed to understand the reliability of traveling via airplane. Can you think of any 'reasons' as to why you are most likely to survive air travel? Do I know what a rhetorical question is?

Once again, faith among people is what separates us from animals, that don't even think about such things, much less have faith or disbelief in them...

False and demonstrably so since humans are animals. Your faith in religious promotional material is what has lead you to this false belief and is further proof that humans should avoid faith as much as possible. Next thing you know the earth is flat, because of faith or that humans are not animals, because of faith (demonstrating once again how faith is required in order to believe false things to be true).

Faith should be avoided.

The main problem here is only giving examples of bad faith, and then labeling it 'faith' as a whole. It then has the look of an anti-faith rant, rather than the wisdom to put work to our faith.

As you have learned, it is to lack wisdom to purchase a home via faith that the home is in good condition. Wisdom and reason should be used and banks demand reason before they will lend you money. Faith should be avoided and is avoided in the lending world. Again, imagine a bank giving money to every person that it hoped would repay them without investigating the past willingness to pay, which supplies the bank with reason or a lack of reason to finance.

I have seen such things happen, where people that once had faith, and then either lost it or forsook it, and instead of looking at themselves, they chose to blame the faith.

I acknowledge you make this claim.

I was once in a similar position too. But, fortunately, I didn't blame the faith, but only myself for not using it wisely. Now I wisely keep my faith stronger than ever before.

It's the most important thing when it comes to remaining religious, so this does not surprise me to here it. Good thing you aren't applying your faith towards the Muslim religion though. Could you imagine.

Do you think we will ever find evidence for the Exodus story as told in the Bible?