Jesus is a Myth!

[POI]

The Gospels are fiction and the Jesus character is a myth. There may have been a Jesus upon whom the character is based, but I doubt it.

Loosely, there was a church already in existence when Paul became an apostle (Galatians 2). I don't think we know anything about it, because that church was effectively destroyed by the sack of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. Paul's Asian churches were effectively unmoored and they absorbed a sort of second- or third-hand tradition left over from the Jerusalem church. That tradition was allegorically retold in the Synoptics. Acts is a sort of theological textbook, allegorically describing the fusion of the Pauline churches and what little remained of the Jerusalem church through the conflict between its Peter and Paul characters and the resoliution of that conflict.

For debate: Was Jesus a real character from antiquity? If so, how do we know?

The stakes are very high for the Orthodox believer. Why? If Jesus never existed, it's completely game over. Christianity is dead before we ever get to ask if Jesus ever rose. If Jesus did exist, then we can still question his claimed actions(s) all the way up to him rising again....

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At the moment, I'm personally agnostic to this topic position. But I would sure love to see how this topic fleshes out among all the smarties who exchange within this arena

[1213]

It would be earthshattering for you because then you would have to reconcile that if you thought a Jesus was speaking to you, you would then know that this perception is actually false.

If I would think Jesus is speaking directly to me, most important would be what is the message. If the message is good, I like it, even if it would not come from Jesus.

The reason I ask if Jesus really exists, is because we only have the Bible to investigate, and the Bible may not be that trustworthy?

I trust to the Bible, because I see things going as told in the Bible and I think its message is good. If it would be revealed that I am wrong, I would not see it a problem, because I think the message is good anyway.

What would any of this above have to do with proving that a Jesus actually existed?

It was about why I trust the Bible.

[POI]

It was about why I trust the Bible.

You trust the Bible for prophetic reasons?

[OneJack]

[Replying to 1213 in post #4]

I believe Jesus is a real character from antiquity, because we have the Bible and things go as told in the Bible.

If you believe Jesus is real and forever living, why dont you come and call on the Lord, talk to Him, and wait for Him to respond to your call? No one could prove the reality of Jesus [even if you lay truckload of biblical passages on this chat board] because Jesus is not the bible.

[1DoubtingThomas]

The Gospels are fiction and the Jesus character is a myth. There may have been a Jesus upon whom the character is based, but I doubt it.

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At the moment, I'm personally agnostic to this topic position. But I would sure love to see how this topic fleshes out among all the smarties who exchange within this arena

^^^ POI, in addressing your statement above, you've heard of the adage that "One bad apple can spoil the whole bunch," correct?

Therefore, in the biblical axioms shown below relating to the farce and comical narrative of Noah's Ark, where if Noah's Ark could never happen within the Jewish Bible, as explicitly shown below, then what follows is that JESUS AND CHRISTIANITY is not valid as well, because that one damn bad apple, relating to Noah's Flood and the Ark, spoiled the entire Bible as not being totally true!


THIS IS MY "SHORT VERSION" OF WHY NOAH'S ARK COULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, MAKING THE CHRISTIAN JEWISH BIBLE INVALID!


1. NOAH'S ARK SIZE; And God said to Noah, I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make yourself an ark of gopher wood. Make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch. This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark 300 cubits, its breadth 50 cubits, and its height 30 cubits. Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above, and set the door of the ark in its side. Make it with lower, second, and third decks. (Genesis 6:13-16)

The above cubit to feet conversion precludes that Noahs Ark is the size shown below:

LENGHT: 510 Feet
WIDTH: 75 Feet
HEIGHT: 30 Feet



2. JESUS AS GOD TOLD NOAH HOW MANY ANIMALS TO TAKE UPON THE ARK: "Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate," (Genesis 7:2)

For the mathematically impaired, 7 pairs = 14, plus 1 pair = 2. Therefore; 14 + 2=16 total for each animal specie, which also includes insects, sea life, underground life, etc., to become passengers upon the Ark! Barring that the fresh water fish were killed when the salty ocean flood waters reached the lakes and rivers, but they are here today nonetheless! ... LOL!

Now, thus far, therere approximately 1.2 million different animal species on earth x 16 pairs = 19.2 million species that had to be on Noahs Ark, that was only 510 long, 75 feet wide, and 30 feet in height, and this is barring over 700 species of DINOSAURS x 16 pairs equaling 11,200 of them that were fitted upon the Ark as well!



3. GENESIS 7:11 MATH DESCRIBES WHEN THE FLOOD BEGAN: stating that in the 600th year of Noah's life, on the 17th day of the second month, all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of heaven were opened, initiating Jesus' flood as god!

GENESIS 8:13,14 MATH DESCRIBES WHEN THE FLOOD ENDED: In the six-hundred-first year of Noah's life, on the first day of the first month, the flood had dried up. Noah opened the hatch of the ship and saw dry ground. By the twenty-seventh day of the second month, the Earth was completely dry.

Since the mythical Bible writers used the term Day, Month, and Year, then barring any other renditions of calendars, it can preclude to be equal to the current time of days in this 21st century.

Therefore, in using the above time periods in the passages above, Noah and 19.2 million animals alone, not counting insects, underground life, fresh water fish, and thousands of different bird species, and lest we forget, approximately 700 different DINOSAUR SPECIES, was on the ocean waters with Noah and his incestuous family in repopulating the world, "FOR 318 DAYS!!!"


THEREFORE, CAN ATHEISTS SPELL MYTH REGARDING NOAH'S ARK AND THE FLOOD? ..... SURE WE CAN!!!



ATHEISTS: Now, be prepared to see some outlandish pseudo-christian Apologetic Spin Doctoring to my Noah's Flood scenario as I have described it in using Jewish Bible axioms as my foundation, where they will insidiously say that what is said as biblical facts above, is really not true, where I just didn't interpret said passages correctly! ...... LOL!





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[1DoubtingThomas]

[Replying to 1213 in post #4]

I believe Jesus is a real character from antiquity, because we have the Bible and things go as told in the Bible.

If you believe Jesus is real and forever living, why dont you come and call on the Lord, talk to Him, and wait for Him to respond to your call? No one could prove the reality of Jesus [even if you lay truckload of biblical passages on this chat board] because Jesus is not the bible.

^^^ OneJack, your Bible buffoonery is showing again.

When you proffered that Jesus is not the Bible, then you slapped him in the face again, where the "Bible Words," are in fact, Jesus as God!

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)




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[OneJack]

[Replying to 1DoubtingThomas in post #15]

^^^ OneJack, your Bible buffoonery is showing again.

When you proffered that Jesus is not the Bible, then you slapped him in the face again, where the "Bible Words," are in fact, Jesus as God!

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)

That's the reality: Jesus is not the Bible because He is the real and forever-living Almighty God. What you've posted are just letters and ink - the written words in the Bible narrating something about the Word. Telling me that the Bible Words are, in fact, Jesus as God is just your opinion. Nowhere in the bible did God and Jesus say the Scriptures/(your)Bible Words are Jesus as God.

If you want the genuine words of God, come to the living Christ Jesus and listen to Him speak the pure and unadulterated words of God from His mouth. He's with you always, though unseen momentarily."

[1DoubtingThomas]

[Replying to 1DoubtingThomas in post #15]

^^^ OneJack, your Bible buffoonery is showing again.

When you proffered that Jesus is not the Bible, then you slapped him in the face again, where the "Bible Words," are in fact, Jesus as God!

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)

1. Nowhere in the bible did God and Jesus say the Scriptures/(your)Bible Words are Jesus as God.

He's with you always, though unseen momentarily."

^^^ OneJack, who obviously enjoys in being a pseudo-christian!

Jack ol' buddy, do you think that I enjoy in correcting your Bible Ineptness all the time? NO I DO NOT!


Therefore, AGAIN, you had the audacity to say that nowhere in your Jewish Bible does it say the words of said Bible (logos) are God!
Here, let me show you AGAIN in the same verse that I posted before that shows you are wrong.:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD" (John 1:1)

^ When the verse above states that "AND THE WORD WAS GOD," relating to the Bible, then what part of this godly LITERAL notion don't you understand?
Are you calling the author John, along with Jesus' inspired words in said verse, AS LIES, which is BLASPHEME on your part!!!


Then in your embarrassment AGAIN, you state that "He's with you always, though unseen momentarily!

^ OMG, why would you embarrass yourself again by stating that Jesus as God is "unseen momentarily" which proves that Jesus is a MYTH? Where this statement of yours should be truthfully substituted with "2000 years and counting!" since the mythical brutal serial killer Jesus as god walked the earth! GET IT?

Its like when Jesus said: Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. (Revelation 22:12) where comically and embarrassingly Jesus' "Soon" notion represents 2000 years and counting at this time in his Second Coming! ..... LOL! .... Can you spell J-E-S-U-S ... M-Y-T-H? Sure you can!






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[OneJack]

[Replying to 1DoubtingThomas in post #17]

OneJack, who obviously enjoys in being a pseudo-christian!

Jack ol' buddy, do you think that I enjoy in correcting your Bible Ineptness all the time? NO I DO NOT!

How would you enjoy it when youre always a million miles away from the truth? All you propound here are off the grid opinion about biblical passages not knowing which exactly are the words of God and Jesus and which are not.

Therefore, AGAIN, you had the audacity to say that nowhere in your Jewish Bible does it say the words of said Bible (logos) are God!

See, youre off the grid again, read this between the lines,

Nowhere in the bible did God and Jesus say the Scriptures/(your)BibleWords are Jesus as God.

Here, let me show you AGAIN in the same verse that I posted before that shows you are wrong.:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD" (John 1:1)

^ When the verse above states that "AND THE WORD WAS GOD," relating to the Bible

Where does the phrase relating to the bible come from, Jupiter? Saturn?

And whats the big deal in this phrase written in the bible - and the Word was God - what impact does it bring to your salvation?

then what part of this godly LITERAL notion don't you understand?

Nothing at all! Whats the big deal in John 1:1-3?

Are you calling the author John, along with Jesus' inspired words in said verse, AS LIES, which is BLASPHEME on your part!!!

Tell no lies here, why drag Jesus to Johns narratives by saying along with Jesus inspired words in said verse, what and where are the words of Jesus in John 1:1?

John 1:1 is allegedly Johns words, which are 50-50 in chances of being true or not and therefore certainty is shaky.

Blasphemy is not applicable when we put doubt in the totality of the bible.

Then in your embarrassment AGAIN, you state that "He's with you always, though unseen momentarily!

^ OMG, why would you embarrass yourself again by stating that Jesus as God is "unseen momentarily" which proves that Jesus is a MYTH?

Its clear here you do not know at all the real and forever living Christ Jesus - The Almighty God. Who has seen the Almighty God? No one yet, have you? Your bible itself has record of testimony to Jesus that He is the Almighty God - the Father - yet until now youre still unaware of that testimony. Hows that Mr. DT?

Where this statement of yours should be truthfully substituted with "2000 years and counting!" since the mythical brutal serial killer Jesus as god walked the earth! GET IT?

That was the Son of God per se - the physical body and vessel of the Almighty God Jesus Christ in coming to the flesh - who was seen and talked to, supped and live with by his disciples and apostles.

rIts like when Jesus said: Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. (Revelation 22:12) where comically and embarrassingly Jesus' "Soon" notion represents 2000 years and counting at this time in his Second Coming! ..... LOL!.... Can you spell J-E-S-U-S ... M-Y-T-H? Sure you can!

Youre still in limbo with the terminologies The Son of God, THE FATHER, Jesus, the Christ, The Son. When and how to use them properly in writing your opinion about the things of God are still in a shambles to date.

[1213]

No one could prove the reality of Jesus [even if you lay truckload of biblical passages on this chat board] because Jesus is not the bible.

For a person who doesn't want to believe, nothing would be sufficient.

But, I agree, Jesus is not the Bible. Bible is the book that tells who Jesus is.

[1213]

It was about why I trust the Bible.

You trust the Bible for prophetic reasons?

It is one of the reasons. One of the other reasons is that the book has wisdom that I don't think humans would have without God.