Jesus Way of Shepherding

[OneJack]

Jesus Way of Shepherding - COMING to and FOLLOWING the Lord Jesus Christ until the end,

Let's examine closely the flow of actions between the sheep and the Lord regarding salvation:


27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.


28. And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Read between the lines:

1. When we hear the voice of the Lord Jesus, we are known by Him.

2. When we follow the Lord Jesus, He gives us:

a) eternal life,
b) we shall never perish, and
c) no one can pluck us out of His hand.

There is no teaching of Jesus about 'free gift' or 'by grace, and the belief in the finished work of Christ to be saved, as you teach it today. Instead, those teachings are from Paul. Paul is not Jesus, even if you say he was sent by the Lord."

[Capbook]

Is there any manuscripts that can support to rebut the oldest manuscripts, the papyri 66 and 75?

In my view, I wouldn't resort to finding manuscripts to rebut the oldest ones because the Holder of the Truth is always just a call away, 24/7.

Well, can you post here what the answer was?

The verse is specific of the "body of Jesus Christ". No mention of spirit and Son of God, you just keep jumping to your made specific definition of them that creates confusion. As they were specifically defined by you, we have to observed what the Bible specifically named.

Biblically speaking, the Son declared the Father as Jesus Christ whom He (Father) has sent, or if you dont like that, the Son declared eternal life as Jesus Christ whom He (Father) has sent (John 17:3). Since only the Almighty God the Father is the Etetnal Life, and the Son declared Jesus Christ as the Eternal Life, it follows Jesus Christ is Spirit.

Your conclusion doesn't follow Heb 10:10, Jesus had a body who suffered, bore our sins in His own body. Is a spirit has a body to you?(1Pet 2:21,24)

Yes, that is yet to come, but that is already written and must happen. The fleshy "Son of Man" that cannot enter heaven will sit at the right hand of the Father in heaven. They will be both in heaven where the Father is.

The verse you referred to doesnt say the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven where the Father is. If that were the case, how could we on earth see Him?

Do you doubt Jesus words that "hereafter you will see"? Who do think the One with "Power" where the Son of man sit at the right hand of Him of Power?

Mat 26:64 Jesus *said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.

Now, you deny your own words that the Father is sole speaker throughout the ages?

Why do you say that?

Because you agree with Jesus words in John 5:37.

Yes, I believe on the Trinity and not on your made definition which would create many confusions.

Its better for us now to go thy way, and Ill go mine, shall we?

Yes, ok, but I hope you may have noticed the confusions your specific definition of Them had made.(Heb 9:14, Rom 6:9,10, Heb 9:28, 1Cor 15:3,4, Luke 24:39,46, 1Cor 10:16)

[OneJack]

[Replying to Capbook in post #41]

Well, can you post here what the answer was?

What for is your mouth if you will not use that in talking to the real and forever living Christ Jesus?

Your conclusion doesn't follow Heb 10:10, Jesus had a body who suffered, bore our sins in His own body. Is a spirit has a body to you?(1Pet 2:21,24)

You really don't understand " the Spirit (Jesus) was in that body, but the apostles were unaware of the situation. All they knew about that body was that it belonged to a man named Jesus, hence Jesus' body.

Do you doubt Jesus words that "hereafter you will see"? Who do think the One with "Power" where the Son of man sit at the right hand of Him of Power?

This event is yet to see and I dont see any relevance of this to our salvation.

Because you agree with Jesus words in John 5:37.

So, what if I agree with it?

Yes, ok, but I hope you may have noticed the confusions your specific definition of Them had made.(Heb 9:14, Rom 6:9,10, Heb 9:28, 1Cor 15:3,4, Luke 24:39,46, 1Cor 10:16)

The confusion is on your part because I wont be moved by any word that isnt Jesus in the bible.

[Capbook]

Is there any manuscripts that can support to rebut the oldest manuscripts, the papyri 66 and 75?

In my view, I wouldn't resort to finding manuscripts to rebut the oldest ones because the Holder of the Truth is always just a call away, 24/7.

Well, can you post here what the answer was?

What for is your mouth if you will not use that in talking to the real and forever living Christ Jesus?

Well, I am not the one who claimed that can have an audible communication with Jesus Christ, that as you've said just a 24/7 call away. That's why I've asked you what was the answer of my inquiry if ever you've had a call with Him.

Your conclusion doesn't follow Heb 10:10, Jesus had a body who suffered, bore our sins in His own body. Is a spirit has a body to you?(1Pet 2:21,24)

You really don't understand " the Spirit (Jesus) was in that body, but the apostles were unaware of the situation. All they knew about that body was that it belonged to a man named Jesus, hence Jesus' body.

Again, as your explanation was not written in the verse that maybe made the apostles unaware of the situation. Do that mean that you are the only one that know and completely aware of the situation?

Do you doubt Jesus words that "hereafter you will see"? Who do think the One with "Power" where the Son of man sit at the right hand of Him of Power?

This event is yet to see and I dont see any relevance of this to our salvation.

Yes, this is a future event, it was written and it must happen. And it is very relevant, because if we are in Christ, dead or alive, and ever witness this future event of 1 The 4:16,17, that confirmed that we are saved.

In the whole OT, only the Almighty God was the sole speaker throughout the ages, with no mention of the Holy Spirit or Son in His company.

Because you agree with Jesus words in John 5:37, that said, "neither had heard the voice of the Father anytime.

So, what if I agree with it?

That is a clear contradiction to your statement I colored blue above.

Yes, ok, but I hope you may have noticed the confusions your specific definition of Them had made.(Heb 9:14, Rom 6:9,10, Heb 9:28, 1Cor 15:3,4, Luke 24:39,46, 1Cor 10:16)

The confusion is on your part because I wont be moved by any word that isnt Jesus in the bible.

Do that mean that you know Jesus outside the Bible?

[OneJack]

[Replying to Capbook in post #43]

Well, I am not the one who claimed that can have an audible communication with Jesus Christ, that as you've said just a 24/7 call away. That's why I've asked you what was the answer of my inquiry if ever you've had a call with Him.

You misunderstood me, just a 24/7 call away is open to all nations and tongues.

Again, as your explanation was not written in the verse that maybe made the apostles unaware of the situation. Do that mean that you are the only one that know and completely aware of the situation?

Read chapter 14 of John, if the apostles were aware of the situation, Philip would not ask Jesus to show them the Father. Im not the only one who knew that, there are many others today who are under the shepherding of Jesus.

Yes, this is a future event, it was written and it must happen. And it is very relevant, because if we are in Christ, dead or alive, and ever witness this future event of 1 The 4:16,17, that confirmed that we are saved.

What???? That event is for all starting from Adam up to the last men standing when the Second coming of the Son of Man takes place. The second coming is the Judgment Day hence saved and unsaved will witness that future event.

That is a clear contradiction to your statement I colored blue above.

In what way does John 5:36 contradicts my statement in blue color? Why did you not color this clause [with no mention of the Holy Spirit or Son in His company] in blue, too?

Do that mean that you know Jesus outside the Bible?

Yes, of course! What do you think of Jesus, a prisoner of the Bible?

[Capbook]

Well, I am not the one who claimed that can have an audible communication with Jesus Christ, that as you've said just a 24/7 call away. That's why I've asked you what was the answer of my inquiry if ever you've had a call with Him.

You misunderstood me, just a 24/7 call away is open to all nations and tongues.

Yes, but you just confirmed you know Jesus outside the Bible, that would be understood that you can have an audible communication with Jesus. So, may I inquire what did Jesus said about the papyri 66 and 75, if ever you had brought it to Him, because as You've said you prefer His confirmation in lieu of oldest manuscripts.

Again, as your explanation was not written in the verse that maybe made the apostles unaware of the situation. Do that mean that you are the only one that know and completely aware of the situation?

Read chapter 14 of John, if the apostles were aware of the situation, Philip would not ask Jesus to show them the Father. Im not the only one who knew that, there are many others today who are under the shepherding of Jesus.

Now, you refer to the Bible which is not Jesus. And it is not Jesus words it's from the author of John. I just follow your line of argument that you know Jesus outside the Bible. Do you mean the "others" today were those who know Jesus outside the Bible also?

Yes, this is a future event, it was written and it must happen. And it is very relevant, because if we are in Christ, dead or alive, and ever witness this future event of 1 The 4:16,17, that confirmed that we are saved.

What???? That event is for all starting from Adam up to the last men standing when the Second coming of the Son of Man takes place. The second coming is the Judgment Day hence saved and unsaved will witness that future event.

I think you missed to notice the "if we are in Christ" phrase, that will met Him in the air.

That is a clear contradiction to your statement I colored blue above.

In what way does John 5:36 contradicts my statement in blue color? Why did you not color this clause [with no mention of the Holy Spirit or Son in His company] in blue, too?

I don't know what verse you are referring to, I post the text you quote, it doesn't say what you say.

Joh 5:36 "But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish"the very works that I do"testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me.

Do that mean that you know Jesus outside the Bible?

Yes, of course! What do you think of Jesus, a prisoner of the Bible?

Just be reminded that you are not communicating with someone pretending to be an angel of light,(2Cor 11:14) and Jesus words in Matt 24:24.

[OneJack]

[Replying to Capbook in post #45]

Yes, but you just confirmed you know Jesus outside the Bible, that would be understood that you can have an audible communication with Jesus. So, may I inquire what did Jesus said about the papyri 66 and 75, if ever you had brought it to Him, because as You've said you prefer His confirmation in lieu of oldest manuscripts.

Theres no need for me to bring that matter to the Lord because I dont need them and theyre not essential to our salvation. Its really hard for you to accept that the bible contains many errors and exclusions.

Now, you refer to the Bible which is not Jesus. And it is not Jesus words it's from the author of John. I just follow your line of argument that you know Jesus outside the Bible. Do you mean the "others" today were those who know Jesus outside the Bible also?

Yes, they also know Jesus outside the bible. I used the bible to address you, as a biblical believer and whose faith is solely based on the bible.

I think you missed to notice the "if we are in Christ" phrase, that will met Him in the air.

Anyway, well both be witnesses to this event, lets wait and see the truth behind this forthcoming second coming of the Son of Man.

I don't know what verse you are referring to, I post the text you quote, it doesn't say what you say.

Joh 5:36 "But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish"the very works that I do"testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me.

Whats that you say it doesnt say what I say, what exactly are you trying yo point out in that verse?

Just be reminded that you are not communicating with someone pretending to be an angel of light,(2Cor 11:14) and Jesus words in Matt 24:24.

Im certain to whom we walked and lived with for 14 years; He is the Almighty God who can do all things and He proved Himself to us beyond reasonable doubt. What more could we ask for knowing He rewarded us eternal life, which were trying to maintain by being obedient to Him and, by all means, following him until the end.

[Capbook]

Yes, but you just confirmed you know Jesus outside the Bible, that would be understood that you can have an audible communication with Jesus. So, may I inquire what did Jesus said about the papyri 66 and 75, if ever you had brought it to Him, because as You've said you prefer His confirmation in lieu of oldest manuscripts.

Theres no need for me to bring that matter to the Lord because I dont need them and theyre not essential to our salvation. Its really hard for you to accept that the bible contains many errors and exclusions.

It maybe because the boy already stopped revealing someone's words? And no need to inquire as there's no one to inquire to?

Now, you refer to the Bible which is not Jesus. And it is not Jesus words it's from the author of John. I just follow your line of argument that you know Jesus outside the Bible. Do you mean the "others" today were those who know Jesus outside the Bible also?

Yes, they also know Jesus outside the bible. I used the bible to address you, as a biblical believer and whose faith is solely based on the bible.

But why you quote verses now, is it because at present no revelation from that boy?

I think you missed to notice the "if we are in Christ" phrase, that will met Him in the air.

Anyway, well both be witnesses to this event, lets wait and see the truth behind this forthcoming second coming of the Son of Man.

By God's grace I hope so.

I don't know what verse you are referring to, I post the text you quote, it doesn't say what you say.

Joh 5:36 "But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish"the very works that I do"testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me.

Whats that you say it doesnt say what I say, what exactly are you trying yo point out in that verse?

That's maybe what I colored blue on my Post#43.

Just be reminded that you are not communicating with someone pretending to be an angel of light,(2Cor 11:14) and Jesus words in Matt 24:24.

Im certain to whom we walked and lived with for 14 years; He is the Almighty God who can do all things and He proved Himself to us beyond reasonable doubt. What more could we ask for knowing He rewarded us eternal life, which were trying to maintain by being obedient to Him and, by all means, following him until the end.

If I remember it right, it was Jesus whom you believe came to you and your group, and revealed messages through that boy. Is it to avoid the question what's that coming was, is it second, third or what?

[OneJack]

[Replying to Capbook in post #47]

It maybe because the boy already stopped revealing someone's words? And no need to inquire as there's no one to inquire to?

Didn’t I tell you the Lord finished His shepherding job in 2014?

But why you quote verses now, is it because at present no revelation from that boy?

It’s for you that I quote verses from the Bible, you’re a biblical believer.

That's maybe what I colored blue on my Post#43.

Didn’t I tell you that the Father sent Himself through the Son, who only came to existence when Mary gave birth to him? It seems you still believe that the Son existed with the Father in heaven, implying two Spirit Beings conversing with each other.

If I remember it right, it was Jesus whom you believe came to you and your group, and revealed messages through that boy. Is it to avoid the question what's that coming was, is it second, third or what

I told you already, the Lord gave no classification about His coming to us in 2001 up to 2014.

[Capbook]

Didn’t I tell you the Lord finished His shepherding job in 2014?

Do that mean that these days we cannot knock on someones heart you believe as Jesus as he already stopped shepherding?

It’s for you that I quote verses from the Bible, you’re a biblical believer.

Do that mean that you are not a Biblical believer? (John 14:10)

Didn’t I tell you that the Father sent Himself through the Son, who only came to existence when Mary gave birth to him? It seems you still believe that the Son existed with the Father in heaven, implying two Spirit Beings conversing with each other.

Yes, because Jesus sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Here Jesus sits beside God's throne. If He is the Father Himself why sat at the right hand? Why not to the Father's throne.

Heb 12:2  looking only at Jesus, the originator and perfecter of the faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 

If I remember it right, it was Jesus whom you believe came to you and your group, and revealed messages through that boy. Is it to avoid the question what's that coming was, is it second, third or what?

I told you already, the Lord gave no classification about His coming to us in 2001 up to 2014.

Did he say that to you or another one's own opinion?

[OneJack]

[Replying to Capbook in post #49]

Do that mean that these days we cannot knock on someones heart you believe as Jesus as he already stopped shepherding?

Why would you knock on someone’s heart when you know now that Jesus is always beside you, 24/7, and you can knock on His heart any time you want to?

Do that mean that you are not a Biblical believer? (John 14:10)

Absolutely! I only believe in the Living Christ Jesus, minus the bible.

Yes, because Jesus sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Here Jesus sits beside God's throne. If He is the Father Himself why sat at the right hand? Why not to the Father's throne.

Heb 12:2  looking only at Jesus, the originator and perfecter of the faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 

Better ask Jesus when you see Him on His second coming through the Son of Man.

I don’t believe in the book of Hebrews because it has led many to false beliefs about God and Jesus.

Did he say that to you or another one's own opinion?

It’s was within the period the Lord did shepherd us that He explained to us the difference between His manifestation of His first coming to the apostles and His manifestation of coming to us in 2001.