Does Christ speak and how?

[tam]

May you have peace!

A question that continues to be posed to me is with regard to my bearing witness to a living and speaking Christ. How does He speak? What does that mean? How can we test that?

I imagine that one reason the questions are continually posed to me is because I cannot provide the proof that some are asking me to provide. I can only provide evidence in the form of:

a) Personal testimony from having heard Christ
b) The written testimony of or about others who have heard Christ
c) What Christ Himself is written to have said on the matter


If none of the above are acceptable to someone, then I am not sure what more that person and I would have to talk about on this particular matter. We could hopefully discuss respectfully from a point of love, reason, logic. For those who are interested...


Christ said that His sheep would hear His voice.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." John 10:27

"I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd." John 10:14-16



Written testimony about/from others who heard His voice, confirming the truth of what He said:

The Spirit told Philip, "Go to that chariot and stay near it." Acts 8:29

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In Damascus, there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, "Ananias!"

"Yes Lord," he answered.

The Lord told him, "Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight." (Acts 9:10,11... and it continues)

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There is Peter's vision telling him that he should eat foods that he considered unclean, and then after his vision:

While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit (Christ) said to him, "Simon, three men are looking for you. So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them." (Acts 10: 9-20)

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There are of course multiple examples from Paul. The entire book of Revelation is from Christ to John. There is a warning against hardening our hearts if we hear His voice.

As has just been said: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion." Hebrews 3:15

Then of course there are the examples of Abraham, who heard, Noah, who heard, the prophets, who heard, Joseph, who heard, Daniel, who heard, etc, etc. Their faith is based upon the evidence of what they heard.



My own personal testimony


I did not always know that Christ spoke, and I did not always recognize that voice within me as being His. But someone else bore witness to a living speaking Christ, and it bothered me, lol. I had just ended a two year bible study with a certain denomination, and I did not want to get misled by man ever gain. But here was this person claiming that Christ spoke. If I believed this person, that they were from God, then what was wrong with me that I allowed myself to get misled yet again. On the other hand, what was wrong with me if this person did hear Christ, and I rejected them?

But soon into my dilemma (and my asking how I might know, even though I thought I was just asking myself) I heard:

Test WHAT this person is saying. Test the message. Do not pay attention to the person. Test to see if what this person is saying is true, or not. Then you will know who this person is from.


I still did not know this was Christ speaking to me. I just thought, "Oh, of course... that is what I will do."

So that is what I did. Along the way, I saw all these verses and examples and testimony that Christ does indeed speak, that God spoke also, though now speaks through Christ. In dreams, in visions, in direct words, in reminders, in opening eyes and ears to a truth that one might read, see, or hear. Once I realized that Christ is supposed to speak, I asked for ears to hear as well. Even though I did hear Him; I just did not know I heard Him. I needed to learn His voice and recognize Him.

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I was asked how does He speak

He speaks in words. He speaks in visions (I have never had a vision that I am aware of). He speaks in dreams. He can also bring to mind something learned, read, or experienced in the past to help me see the truth in something He is teaching me. He has opened my eyes to something that is written, if I am reading the bible. He can and has read to me something that He is written to have said, so that I hear it in His voice. That was enlightening.

Sometimes when I am responding to something that someone else has asked, He will give me the words to say, or reveal something to me (as in open my heart and ears to understanding something) that I had not previously understood.


The language that He speaks is truth. He has never spoken anything to me that was not true, and that was not from love. And everything He teaches me deepens my understanding of love: His love and the love of His Father.



(As for testing the inspired expression... anything that is in conflict with what Christ teaches cannot be true. Also Christ (truth) comes from love (God), so nothing that He says will be in conflict with love. Especially since the law that is written upon our hearts in the new covenant is the law of love.)


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I do not expect anyone to take my word for these things. I do not take the word of others for what they claim came from Christ. I explained above what I did, what I heard from Christ TO do.

If I have shared anything that helps anyone, then great. If not, then no problem. I am not the one people should be listening to if they are following or desiring to follow Christ... I can only point TO that One: Christ Jaheshua, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, the Chosen One of Jah. Christ, who is Himself, the faithful and true witness of His Father, Jah.



If one wants to know the truth of this matter themselves... then ask Christ. That is how one can confirm for themselves. Ask for ears to hear, and in the meantime DO what He has said to do, so that you prove yourself to Him. He does not have to prove Himself to us.

"If anyone loves me, they will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with (in) them."


(Please note that He says that they will obey HIS teaching. Not man's teaching. Not religion or religious leaders, not Paul, not the law, or anyone or anything else over Him. If we love HIM... we will obey HIM. If we love someone or something else more, then we will listen to and obey that one/thing. Including if we love our religion more than Him, although we might not realize it at the time. Including if we think the bible is the Word of God, especially when even that book states that Christ is the Word of God; and Christ himself said, "You diligently search the scriptures because you think that by them you have eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about ME, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.")



May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear, to get a sense of these things, and to hear as the Spirit (Christ) and the bride SAY to you, "Come... take the free gift of the water of life."


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[OneJack]

[Replying to tam in post #409]

I did not think to do so. I had always heard His voice. I just didn't realize it was the Spirit because I did not know He could speak.

Sorry, but I would say that’s the bad choice you chose in this part and, worse further, you just decided to limit yourself to [your] mere assumption that the voice you heard was the Christ. You would have heard the truth about himself if you asked him who he is, without hesitation.

He told me how I could test someone who claims he/she is from God. He told me to test the message.

The question is - How are you gonna make the test - and what parameter/s did he tell you to use in testing someone who claims he/she is from God? Did he tell you the good things that your soul can benefit from doing that test?

I always test what people claim, against Christ (nothing true can contradict Christ - who is and speaks the Truth), and I should also be testing against love (because if something is against love, how then can it be from God, who is love?)

Do you also put to the test people who tell many things about Jesus by and through the pages of the bible alone?

Later, my Lord also taught me the importance and protection of His name (and of knowing His name.)

Is he (the voice you hear) the one who told you that he’s name is Jaheshua and not Jesus?

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #409]

I did not think to do so. I had always heard His voice. I just didn't realize it was the Spirit because I did not know He could speak.

Sorry, but I would say that’s the bad choice you chose in this part

It is not that I made a conscious choice not to ask at that time - it just did not occur to me. I didn't know anything. My Lord - who is the Teacher (my Teacher) - taught me as we went along.

After I asked my Father in heaven to lead me where He wanted me to be, and to know His truth, I exercised faith in Him that He heard me and would do this. I put myself in His hands.

He answered my prayer, He did not mislead me, He led me to His Son, His Truth - who has never lied to me.

He told me how I could test someone who claims he/she is from God. He told me to test the message.

The question is - How are you gonna make the test - and what parameter/s did he tell you to use in testing someone who claims he/she is from God? Did he tell you the good things that your soul can benefit from doing that test?

I believe I mention below the parameters:

I always test what people claim, against Christ (nothing true can contradict Christ - who is and speaks the Truth), and I should also be testing against love (because if something is against love, how then can it be from God, who is love?)

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Do you also put to the test people who tell many things about Jesus by and through the pages of the bible alone?

If it comes up, yes.

The most important thing is to listen to and follow Christ.

Later, my Lord also taught me the importance and protection of His name (and of knowing His name.)

Is he (the voice you hear) the one who told you that he’s name is Jaheshua and not Jesus?

From our discussion on the other thread (viewtopic.php?p=1178207#p1178207 ):

He confirmed His name to me. Someone else used that name, having heard it from Him, but I knew for sure when my Lord confirmed it to me Himself.

(Keep in mind that some letters make different sounds in different languages. Here, the "J" is pronounced with a "y" sound. Same as the name of God is pronounced with the 'y' sound instead of the 'j' sound; all the "J" names we have in English from the bible would have been 'Y' or 'I' names, pronounced properly with the 'y' sound. Here is a very quick and easy article on the topic https://aish.com/js-replacing-ys-in-hebrew/ )

So the name of the Son of God would not have been "Jesus". When I learned this, I stopped using that name, because I could not continue to use a name that I knew was false. I knew that Israel used (and uses) Yeshua, and that was closer. But I did not know how my Lord's name could have gone from Jaheshua (as a sister had shared) to Yeshua.

So I asked my Lord, and He showed me (I will write what He showed me with the "Y" so the sound is correct at least):

Yaheshua
Y'eshua
Yeshua


See the Y with the apostrophe in the middle version? That is Yah (the name of God) being shortened to Y'. Then if you lose the apostrophe, you have Yeshua. Which is closer than "Jesus", but still not correct... it removes/hides the name of God, in whose name Christ came. And if the prophets before Christ had the name of God in THEIR names (EliJAH, JeremIAH, ZecharIAH, etc), how much more so would the Son of God, who came in the name of His Father?


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[OneJack]

[Replying to tam in post #412]

It is not that I made a conscious choice not to ask at that time - it just did not occur to me. I didn't know anything. My Lord - who is the Teacher (my Teacher) - taught me as we went along.

Why would you call him Lord when he didn't tell you who and what he is? Isn't that somewhat presumptuous on your part?"

After I asked my Father in heaven to lead me where He wanted me to be, and to know His truth, I exercised faith in Him that He heard me and would do this. I put myself in His hands.

How did you know the Father in heaven heard you, did He speak to you? What faith in the Father did you exercise and how did you acquire that faith? How did you put yourself in the Father’s hands? As far as I know, the Father, whose name is Jesus, is the one who puts His sheep in His hands.

He answered my prayer, He did not mislead me, He led me to His Son, His Truth - who has never lied to me.

How did the Father lead you to His Son? Did He speak to you, too?

He confirmed His name to me. Someone else used that name, having heard it from Him, but I knew for sure when my Lord confirmed it to me Himself.

What and where exactly are the words he quoted to you when he told you his name?

[tam]

Peace again to you,

[Replying to tam in post #412]

It is not that I made a conscious choice not to ask at that time - it just did not occur to me. I didn't know anything. My Lord - who is the Teacher (my Teacher) - taught me as we went along.

Why would you call him Lord when he didn't tell you who and what he is? Isn't that somewhat presumptuous on your part?"

OneJack, you responded to what I wrote originally, so I assumed you read it:

But soon into my dilemma (and my asking how I might know, even though I thought I was just asking myself) I heard:

Test WHAT this person is saying. Test the message. Do not pay attention to the person. Test to see if what this person is saying is true, or not. Then you will know who this person is from.


I still did not know this was Christ speaking to me. I just thought, "Oh, of course... that is what I will do."

So that is what I did. Along the way, I saw all these verses and examples and testimony that Christ does indeed speak, that God spoke also, though now speaks through Christ. In dreams, in visions, in direct words, in reminders, in opening eyes and ears to a truth that one might read, see, or hear. Once I realized that Christ is supposed to speak, I asked for ears to hear as well. Even though I did hear Him; I just did not know I heard Him. I needed to learn His voice and recognize Him.

I have since learned.

After I asked my Father in heaven to lead me where He wanted me to be, and to know His truth, I exercised faith in Him that He heard me and would do this. I put myself in His hands.

How did you know the Father in heaven heard you, did He speak to you?

Faith.

What faith in the Father did you exercise and how did you acquire that faith?

Faith enough to know that He heard me, and to leave myself to Him. I believe I have said to you that my faith is a gift from my Father in heaven.

How did you put yourself in the Father’s hands?

By asking Him to lead me where HE wanted me to be (as opposed to going where I want to go or think I should go), I was putting myself in His hands.

As far as I know, the Father, whose name is Jesus, is the one who puts His sheep in His hands.

The Father's name is mentioned at Psalm 68:4. (again, pronounced with the 'y' sound instead of the 'j' sound)

Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. Psalm 68:4


He - the Father - does indeed give the sheep to His Son.

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. John 10:27-28

Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away. / For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. / And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. John 6:37-39

“Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. John 17:2

And there are also His words here:

"“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44

You see that the sheep ALREADY belonged to the Father. The sheep already learned from Him. The spirit in them (in me) recognizes and bears witness to truth. But there are a lot of lies that we have all been subjected to that many of us have accepted at one point or another; hence, we should tear everything down to the cornerstone (to Christ) and let Him build us back up.

He answered my prayer, He did not mislead me, He led me to His Son, His Truth - who has never lied to me.

How did the Father lead you to His Son? Did He speak to you, too?

The Father speaks to us through His Son (with perhaps some rare exceptions). But Christ is the Word of God, and the mediator between man and God.

He drew me to His Son - just as Christ said He would do above. (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him...)

He confirmed His name to me. Someone else used that name, having heard it from Him, but I knew for sure when my Lord confirmed it to me Himself.

What and where exactly are the words he quoted to you when he told you his name?

I believe I told you this. He showed me how His name changed. He gave me that image of His name changing. That is the image I saw - that He gave me - when I asked Him.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[OneJack]

Peace again to you,

[Replying to tam in post #412]

It is not that I made a conscious choice not to ask at that time - it just did not occur to me. I didn't know anything. My Lord - who is the Teacher (my Teacher) - taught me as we went along.

Why would you call him Lord when he didn't tell you who and what he is? Isn't that somewhat presumptuous on your part?"

OneJack, you responded to what I wrote originally, so I assumed you read it:

But soon into my dilemma (and my asking how I might know, even though I thought I was just asking myself) I heard:

Test WHAT this person is saying. Test the message. Do not pay attention to the person. Test to see if what this person is saying is true, or not. Then you will know who this person is from.


I still did not know this was Christ speaking to me. I just thought, "Oh, of course... that is what I will do."

So that is what I did. Along the way, I saw all these verses and examples and testimony that Christ does indeed speak, that God spoke also, though now speaks through Christ. In dreams, in visions, in direct words, in reminders, in opening eyes and ears to a truth that one might read, see, or hear. Once I realized that Christ is supposed to speak, I asked for ears to hear as well. Even though I did hear Him; I just did not know I heard Him. I needed to learn His voice and recognize Him.

I have since learned.

After I asked my Father in heaven to lead me where He wanted me to be, and to know His truth, I exercised faith in Him that He heard me and would do this. I put myself in His hands.

How did you know the Father in heaven heard you, did He speak to you?

Faith.

What faith in the Father did you exercise and how did you acquire that faith?

Faith enough to know that He heard me, and to leave myself to Him. I believe I have said to you that my faith is a gift from my Father in heaven.

How did you put yourself in the Father’s hands?

By asking Him to lead me where HE wanted me to be (as opposed to going where I want to go or think I should go), I was putting myself in His hands.

As far as I know, the Father, whose name is Jesus, is the one who puts His sheep in His hands.

The Father's name is mentioned at Psalm 68:4. (again, pronounced with the 'y' sound instead of the 'j' sound)

Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. Psalm 68:4


He - the Father - does indeed give the sheep to His Son.

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. John 10:27-28

Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away. / For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. / And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. John 6:37-39

“Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. John 17:2

And there are also His words here:

"“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44

You see that the sheep ALREADY belonged to the Father. The sheep already learned from Him. The spirit in them (in me) recognizes and bears witness to truth. But there are a lot of lies that we have all been subjected to that many of us have accepted at one point or another; hence, we should tear everything down to the cornerstone (to Christ) and let Him build us back up.

He answered my prayer, He did not mislead me, He led me to His Son, His Truth - who has never lied to me.

How did the Father lead you to His Son? Did He speak to you, too?

The Father speaks to us through His Son (with perhaps some rare exceptions). But Christ is the Word of God, and the mediator between man and God.

He drew me to His Son - just as Christ said He would do above. (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him...)

He confirmed His name to me. Someone else used that name, having heard it from Him, but I knew for sure when my Lord confirmed it to me Himself.

What and where exactly are the words he quoted to you when he told you his name?

I believe I told you this. He showed me how His name changed. He gave me that image of His name changing. That is the image I saw - that He gave me - when I asked Him.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Unless you have the utterances telling you directly who he is, like this utterance from the Almighty,

[Thus saith the Lord:

All of you who are listening, listen carefully! I am your Lord God. Who are you afraid of? I am the Almighty. Who are you intimidated by? Remember, when I am by your side, you have nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, because I will save you from any calamity if you trust in Me and regard Me as your salvation and eternal life. As your Lord, whom you alone will worship and none other, I am the one true God existing in heaven, earth, or universe. I created all things, I gave you life. Where will you go? If not to Me, you have nowhere else to go.]

I’m sorry to tell you that small voice within a voice that you heard remains just a voice. To my mind, this maybe to test you on how you will react. You failed to ask him who he is and opted instead to search the bible to look for aids in helping you to analyze the truth behind that voice, as well as thinking that the Father led you by the same token that caused you to arrive at a conclusion that the Father speaks through the Son. Today in our time, it’s the Lord Jesus Himself who is always on the watch to whoever will come to and call on Him so that He may respond accordingly, and talk to them as a father talks to his son. Telling me that Jesus is not the name of the Father is indicative that your research on the name of God is erratic and an outright lie if you still insist that Jesus is not the name of the Almighty God. The Lord God Jesus Christ told us that Adam knew His name Jesus, so were his sons and his sons’ sons.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #415]

The Father speaks to us through His Son (with perhaps some rare exceptions). But Christ is the Word of God, and the mediator between man and God.

Thus saith the Lord God Jesus Christ:

“There is only one God, but just like people, if a person named Jose has nicknames like Juseng or Use, it's still the same person. It's the same with God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one and the same, the Almighty God. He called the incarnate being on earth "Son" to redeem humanity's sins, and He called the guide of people "Holy Spirit". Because people have limited understanding, they wouldn't believe that God is omnipresent, so He gave names to the Son and Holy Spirit. However, some people mistakenly think that God is three.”

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to OneJack in post #415]

I’m sorry to tell you that small voice within a voice that you heard remains just a voice.

To you, perhaps. But I would like to remind you that Moses described God's voice as a 'still small voice.'

To my mind, this maybe to test you on how you will react.

You think Christ was testing me to see how I would react?

You failed to ask him who he is and opted instead to search the bible to look for aids in helping you to analyze the truth behind that voice,

No, I listened and did what He told me to do.

as well as thinking that the Father led you by the same token that caused you to arrive at a conclusion that the Father speaks through the Son.

The Father does speak through His Son.
Previously, God spoke through prophets; today God speaks through His Son.

Today in our time, it’s the Lord Jesus Himself who is always on the watch to whoever will come to and call on Him so that He may respond accordingly, and talk to them as a father talks to his son. Telling me that Jesus is not the name of the Father is indicative that your research on the name of God is erratic and an outright lie if you still insist that Jesus is not the name of the Almighty God. The Lord God Jesus Christ told us that Adam knew His name Jesus, so were his sons and his sons’ sons.

Told you, how?

Peace again to you.

[William]

[Replying to tam in post #417]

Previously, God spoke through prophets; today God speaks through His Son.

Considering the legend is that The Son sits now beside The Father in Heaven, wouldn't it be more appropriate to say that "God speaks through the Holy Ghost"?

[OneJack]

[Replying to tam in post #417]

Previously, God spoke through prophets; today God speaks through His Son.

Considering the legend is that The Son sits now beside The Father in Heaven, wouldn't it be more appropriate to say that "God speaks through the Holy Ghost"?

Have you talked to the Holy Spirit?

[William]

[Replying to tam in post #417]

Previously, God spoke through prophets; today God speaks through His Son.

Considering the legend is that The Son sits now beside The Father in Heaven, wouldn't it be more appropriate to say that "God speaks through the Holy Ghost"?

Have you talked to the Holy Spirit?

I think that I do so...although it is more a case of interacting with than talking to...like a two-way connection re conversation...and where conversation leads re action...