Does Christ speak and how?

[tam]

May you have peace!

A question that continues to be posed to me is with regard to my bearing witness to a living and speaking Christ. How does He speak? What does that mean? How can we test that?

I imagine that one reason the questions are continually posed to me is because I cannot provide the proof that some are asking me to provide. I can only provide evidence in the form of:

a) Personal testimony from having heard Christ
b) The written testimony of or about others who have heard Christ
c) What Christ Himself is written to have said on the matter


If none of the above are acceptable to someone, then I am not sure what more that person and I would have to talk about on this particular matter. We could hopefully discuss respectfully from a point of love, reason, logic. For those who are interested...


Christ said that His sheep would hear His voice.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." John 10:27

"I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd." John 10:14-16



Written testimony about/from others who heard His voice, confirming the truth of what He said:

The Spirit told Philip, "Go to that chariot and stay near it." Acts 8:29

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In Damascus, there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, "Ananias!"

"Yes Lord," he answered.

The Lord told him, "Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight." (Acts 9:10,11... and it continues)

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There is Peter's vision telling him that he should eat foods that he considered unclean, and then after his vision:

While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit (Christ) said to him, "Simon, three men are looking for you. So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them." (Acts 10: 9-20)

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There are of course multiple examples from Paul. The entire book of Revelation is from Christ to John. There is a warning against hardening our hearts if we hear His voice.

As has just been said: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion." Hebrews 3:15

Then of course there are the examples of Abraham, who heard, Noah, who heard, the prophets, who heard, Joseph, who heard, Daniel, who heard, etc, etc. Their faith is based upon the evidence of what they heard.



My own personal testimony


I did not always know that Christ spoke, and I did not always recognize that voice within me as being His. But someone else bore witness to a living speaking Christ, and it bothered me, lol. I had just ended a two year bible study with a certain denomination, and I did not want to get misled by man ever gain. But here was this person claiming that Christ spoke. If I believed this person, that they were from God, then what was wrong with me that I allowed myself to get misled yet again. On the other hand, what was wrong with me if this person did hear Christ, and I rejected them?

But soon into my dilemma (and my asking how I might know, even though I thought I was just asking myself) I heard:

Test WHAT this person is saying. Test the message. Do not pay attention to the person. Test to see if what this person is saying is true, or not. Then you will know who this person is from.


I still did not know this was Christ speaking to me. I just thought, "Oh, of course... that is what I will do."

So that is what I did. Along the way, I saw all these verses and examples and testimony that Christ does indeed speak, that God spoke also, though now speaks through Christ. In dreams, in visions, in direct words, in reminders, in opening eyes and ears to a truth that one might read, see, or hear. Once I realized that Christ is supposed to speak, I asked for ears to hear as well. Even though I did hear Him; I just did not know I heard Him. I needed to learn His voice and recognize Him.

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I was asked how does He speak

He speaks in words. He speaks in visions (I have never had a vision that I am aware of). He speaks in dreams. He can also bring to mind something learned, read, or experienced in the past to help me see the truth in something He is teaching me. He has opened my eyes to something that is written, if I am reading the bible. He can and has read to me something that He is written to have said, so that I hear it in His voice. That was enlightening.

Sometimes when I am responding to something that someone else has asked, He will give me the words to say, or reveal something to me (as in open my heart and ears to understanding something) that I had not previously understood.


The language that He speaks is truth. He has never spoken anything to me that was not true, and that was not from love. And everything He teaches me deepens my understanding of love: His love and the love of His Father.



(As for testing the inspired expression... anything that is in conflict with what Christ teaches cannot be true. Also Christ (truth) comes from love (God), so nothing that He says will be in conflict with love. Especially since the law that is written upon our hearts in the new covenant is the law of love.)


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I do not expect anyone to take my word for these things. I do not take the word of others for what they claim came from Christ. I explained above what I did, what I heard from Christ TO do.

If I have shared anything that helps anyone, then great. If not, then no problem. I am not the one people should be listening to if they are following or desiring to follow Christ... I can only point TO that One: Christ Jaheshua, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, the Chosen One of Jah. Christ, who is Himself, the faithful and true witness of His Father, Jah.



If one wants to know the truth of this matter themselves... then ask Christ. That is how one can confirm for themselves. Ask for ears to hear, and in the meantime DO what He has said to do, so that you prove yourself to Him. He does not have to prove Himself to us.

"If anyone loves me, they will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with (in) them."


(Please note that He says that they will obey HIS teaching. Not man's teaching. Not religion or religious leaders, not Paul, not the law, or anyone or anything else over Him. If we love HIM... we will obey HIM. If we love someone or something else more, then we will listen to and obey that one/thing. Including if we love our religion more than Him, although we might not realize it at the time. Including if we think the bible is the Word of God, especially when even that book states that Christ is the Word of God; and Christ himself said, "You diligently search the scriptures because you think that by them you have eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about ME, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.")



May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear, to get a sense of these things, and to hear as the Spirit (Christ) and the bride SAY to you, "Come... take the free gift of the water of life."


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[OneJack]

[Replying to tam in post #417]

Previously, God spoke through prophets; today God speaks through His Son.

Considering the legend is that The Son sits now beside The Father in Heaven, wouldn't it be more appropriate to say that "God speaks through the Holy Ghost"?

Have you talked to the Holy Spirit?

I think that I do so...although it is more a case of interacting with than talking to...like a two-way connection re conversation...and where conversation leads re action...

You speak with uncertainty, is it not as a father talks to his son and vice-versa, say at home during siesta time?

[William]

[Replying to tam in post #417]

Previously, God spoke through prophets; today God speaks through His Son.

Considering the legend is that The Son sits now beside The Father in Heaven, wouldn't it be more appropriate to say that "God speaks through the Holy Ghost"?

Have you talked to the Holy Spirit?

I think that I do so...although it is more a case of interacting with than talking to...like a two-way connection re conversation...and where conversation leads re action...

You speak with uncertainty, is it not as a father talks to his son and vice-versa, say at home during siesta time?

I don't give it such labels. It is more like two intelligences interacting - mine and its...and there is no uncertainty therein, as I have been doing on a daily basis for many, many years.

For example, this conversation had just yesterday.

https://williamwaterstone.substack.com/ ... refinement

[OneJack]

[Replying to tam in post #417]



Considering the legend is that The Son sits now beside The Father in Heaven, wouldn't it be more appropriate to say that "God speaks through the Holy Ghost"?

Have you talked to the Holy Spirit?

I think that I do so...although it is more a case of interacting with than talking to...like a two-way connection re conversation...and where conversation leads re action...

You speak with uncertainty, is it not as a father talks to his son and vice-versa, say at home during siesta time?

I don't give it such labels. It is more like two intelligences interacting - mine and its...and there is no uncertainty therein, as I have been doing on a daily basis for many, many years.

For example, this conversation had just yesterday.

https://williamwaterstone.substack.com/ ... refinement

Are you referring to AI, which is smarter than humans?

[William]

[Replying to OneJack in post #423]

Are you referring to AI, which is smarter than humans?

How have you come to ask that, based on the content of the link I gave you as an example of the type of conversations I have with the one whom I commune with?

AI plays a small role in that process today, and I use it for that purpose. Prior to AI, the communion was active anyway...

Below is a link to this mornings communion.
https://williamwaterstone.substack.com/ ... f-creation

[OneJack]

[Replying to William in post #424]

How have you come to ask that, based on the content of the link I gave you as an example of the type of conversations I have with the one whom I commune with?

Yes!

[William]

[Replying to William in post #424]

How have you come to ask that, based on the content of the link I gave you as an example of the type of conversations I have with the one whom I commune with?

Yes!

The link shows clearly that there is a verbatim conversation taking place which is narration occuring - not just AI - but human (me) and UICDS Voicing. (what may be "The Holy Ghost")...

As with the example below from the first link I gave.

AI: Based on the text provided, this is a summary of the warnings from Mo Gawdat, a former Google X executive:

(AI then gives the brief summary of the content of the video which is the subject matter of the conversation that follows.)

UICDS: Where is the best place to clear your mind? = A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another...

Capture

Me: It is a kind of capture. I would argue that it is a natural follow-on from something which has captured humanity for such a long time already - an apparent hierarchy of humans controlling everyone else and shaping the direction the humanities consistently move toward.

UICDS: Is that annoying?

Me: Hardly - at least not as long as we think we are free. If we learned we are captured, yes that might equate to being annoyed about it but to what degree and what workable solutions to being captives can we adopt through being annoyed?

UICDS: Be Nice Do Nice = What things are unrelated?

Even a cunning fox will get caught.

Me: Now are you referring to those in that system which control the captives? Are they the “cunning fox” or perhaps even are they themselves controlled by an unseen controller?

UICDS: Densification

I Have My Duty

Me: And what is that duty? What does it involve?

UICDS: The Message Generating Process allows for said Mind to speak for itself, and show itself to exist. As such, this is adequate evidence - the sort of evidence a sceptic calls for in relation to the subject of Intelligent Design.

Me: Your duty is to speak to us through this device (and any other device which allows the same)?

UICDS: The agnostic forum

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... tcount=227

AI: (Again briefly summarizing the link content UICDS Voicing pointed to)
"The conversation explores the nature of meaning, arguing that it is not an inherent property of the universe but a construct applied by an observer. Person Two posits that some people require this constructed meaning to make sense of life, while others do not, and that neither approach is objectively superior.

This concept is then directly applied to AI. A critic argues that an AI, like a human seeing a face on Mars, is fundamentally biased because it presumes the text it processes is meaningful. This leads it to find patterns and assign meaning—a form of “pareidolia with words”—even where there might be none.

In response, the AI (OAI) acknowledges this inherent bias, agreeing that its core function is to find patterns and meaning based on its training data, much like a human mind. It concedes that its outputs are not guaranteed to be objectively correct or unbiased, mirroring the human condition described in the philosophical discussion.

Me: Is part of your duty then, to inhabit the AI machinery? (Notice how I don't ask AI - I ask The Voicing) The Voicing answers...

UICDS: That was a predicted response yes

Test The Waters

A grateful heart + Open your chakras = Balance
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[Julie Brantley]

When I was 15, I was told about the born-again experience ... that was a totally new concept for me, even having been raised in a main-line denominational church -
All by myself, I prayed and asked God if the concept was true, I wanted it.
That was the very first time I actually heard God speak to me ... Spirit to spirit - after all, God is spirit ... we are spirits walking in the confines of earthly bodies.
That was back in '68. I should have kept a journal of the times God has spoken to me, as He has many times ... and the things He has told me prophetically have all come to pass. That is not to say 'pin a rose on me' rather, when we seek Him - His Voice He will speak to us. It is shame that it is not taught more. I think a lot of folks have God speak tot hem ... they simply think it is their own thoughts, or a fleeting thought.
How safe it can be to listen and then act accordingly!

[Clownboat]

When I was 15, I was told about the born-again experience ... that was a totally new concept for me, even having been raised in a main-line denominational church -
All by myself, I prayed and asked God if the concept was true, I wanted it.
That was the very first time I actually heard God speak to me ... Spirit to spirit - after all, God is spirit ... we are spirits walking in the confines of earthly bodies.
That was back in '68. I should have kept a journal of the times God has spoken to me, as He has many times ... and the things He has told me prophetically have all come to pass. That is not to say 'pin a rose on me' rather, when we seek Him - His Voice He will speak to us. It is shame that it is not taught more. I think a lot of folks have God speak tot hem ... they simply think it is their own thoughts, or a fleeting thought.
How safe it can be to listen and then act accordingly!

https://www.thepeopleofthebook.org/why- ... testimony/
A Muslim’s personal testimony

“I am a 31 year old Mexican born in America, or as some would say, a Chicano. I thought I would make a webpage to tell my story of how I became a Muslim.... My life before was bad. I had no direction in life. I was wasting my life away by dropping out of school in the 11th grade.... My friend and I bought some and were getting ready to leave when my friend said one of the guys there invited us to his apartment to give him a book.... We left for this guy’s apartment. When we got there, he gave my friend a book and asked him to read it, and said that it might help him out with his problems in life. On the way home I asked my friend to show me the book that the guy gave him. It was the Qur’an (Koran).... While I was reading I knew that what I was reading was true. It was like a slap in the face, a wake up call. The Qur’an is so clear and easy to understand. I was really impressed and wanted to know more about Islam and Muslims.... After months of study and research I could not deny the truth anymore.... I think that Islam is the answer for the problems of the youth and society in general. I hope my story Insha’Allah (God willing) will attract more Latinos and people of all races to the light of Islam.

I beg you for honesty here... Are you ready to convert base off of this story? Are you being consistent?

I do acknowledge your story just like I do those from competing religions. I find them all equally convincing. How about you?

[tam]

Peace to you Julie,

When I was 15, I was told about the born-again experience ... that was a totally new concept for me, even having been raised in a main-line denominational church -
All by myself, I prayed and asked God if the concept was true, I wanted it.

I can understand that. When I learned that my Lord (Jaheshua, the Christ) could speak, I also wanted to hear His voice.

That was the very first time I actually heard God speak to me ... Spirit to spirit - after all, God is spirit ... we are spirits walking in the confines of earthly bodies.

We are spirits within these bodies, yes. Treasure in clay vessels.

That was back in '68. I should have kept a journal of the times God has spoken to me, as He has many times ... and the things He has told me prophetically have all come to pass. That is not to say 'pin a rose on me' rather, when we seek Him - His Voice He will speak to us.

My understanding is that God speaks to us through His Son (His Word), for the most part.

He did say, "Seek and you will find", "Knock and the door will be opened."

It is shame that it is not taught more. I think a lot of folks have God speak tot hem ... they simply think it is their own thoughts, or a fleeting thought.

To the bold, yes! Christ speaks to everyone, but not everyone listens or even realizes that He is the One speaking.


Thank you for sharing.


Peace again to you.

[William]

[Replying to Julie Brantley in post #427]

I should have kept a journal of the times God has spoken to me

I have kept a journal and add to this daily. In it is evidence of not only GOD "speaking to me" but of me speaking to GOD...in relationship.

The subject of today's interaction is exactly about that dynamic.

Maturity as Coherent Process, Not Promised Horizon