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Jesus’ Way of Shepherding

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Jesus Way of Shepherding - COMING to and FOLLOWING the Lord Jesus Christ until the end,

Let's examine closely the flow of actions between the sheep and the Lord regarding salvation:


27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.


28. And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Read between the lines:

1. When we hear the voice of the Lord Jesus, we are known by Him.

2. When we follow the Lord Jesus, He gives us:

a) eternal life,
b) we shall never perish, and
c) no one can pluck us out of His hand.

There is no teaching of Jesus about 'free gift' or 'by grace, and the belief in the finished work of Christ to be saved, as you teach it today. Instead, those teachings are from Paul. Paul is not Jesus, even if you say he was sent by the Lord."

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Capbook wrote: Majority of Christians are Sola Scriptura based, that the Bible is the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practices.
OneJack wrote: As I have said, they are just bibleans/bibliolaters but not Christians whose sole and infallible source of authority for their faith and practices is the one and only real and forever living Christ Jesus - the Almighty God.
Where did you get the term "Christian" from?
Capbook wrote: Not like your living someone that rejects even the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible.
OneJack wrote: Only those exclusions and mens letters which are not in agreement with Jesus’ teachings. But if salvation is the issue, the bible has no part at all in attaining it.
Jesus have done many things unwritten but these were written for the salvation of all who will believe Him. Your living someone rejects the true Jesus doings, this clearly proves that your living someone is the fulfillment of Matthew 24:24.

Joh 20:30  And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 
Joh 20:31  But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. 

Capbook wrote: And offer salvation outside Sola Scriptura believer Christians, just from 2001 and onward.
OneJack wrote: Salvation is truly outside the bible even if you use the bible (John 5:39-40) to support this teaching of the Lord.
This clearly proves that your group did not come to the "me" Jesus in the Bible (verse 40), and I just believe you prefer to someone fulfilling Matt 24:24.

Joh 5:39  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 
Joh 5:40  And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 

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Peace again to you,

Please know dear OneJack, that I do not want to discourage you from coming to Christ or from listening to Him. Not at all. Christ is the One to whom God said to listen; to whom we must come. And if you know this, then you can ask about all these other things we are discussing, right? You can ask the Christ, the Word of God, for the truth of this or any other matter.

It is also important to test what we hear, as well - to ensure we have not misunderstood, and because not every spirit or inspired expression is from God.

Christ does live. He does speak. He does call His sheep by name. His sheep do listen to His voice, and follow Him.

Peace again to you,
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tam wrote: Sun Oct 12, 2025 2:05 am Peace again to you,

Please know dear OneJack, that I do not want to discourage you from coming to Christ or from listening to Him. Not at all. Christ is the One to whom God said to listen; to whom we must come. And if you know this, then you can ask about all these other things we are discussing, right? You can ask the Christ, the Word of God, for the truth of this or any other matter.

It is also important to test what we hear, as well - to ensure we have not misunderstood, and because not every spirit or inspired expression is from God.

Christ does live. He does speak. He does call His sheep by name. His sheep do listen to His voice, and follow Him.

Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Until now, you can't tell me the method, parameter, or instruction that the voice you hear tells you to use in testing someone who claims he/she is from God. The Lord taught us to distinguish words that are not His own, as well as the disguises that Satan and his demons use in deceiving people across all generations.

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Peace again to you,
OneJack wrote: Sun Oct 12, 2025 2:17 am
tam wrote: Sun Oct 12, 2025 2:05 am Peace again to you,

Please know dear OneJack, that I do not want to discourage you from coming to Christ or from listening to Him. Not at all. Christ is the One to whom God said to listen; to whom we must come. And if you know this, then you can ask about all these other things we are discussing, right? You can ask the Christ, the Word of God, for the truth of this or any other matter.

It is also important to test what we hear, as well - to ensure we have not misunderstood, and because not every spirit or inspired expression is from God.

Christ does live. He does speak. He does call His sheep by name. His sheep do listen to His voice, and follow Him.

Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Until now, you can't tell me the method, parameter, or instruction that the voice you hear tells you to use in testing someone who claims he/she is from God.
I did tell you how to test the inspired expression:

Test the inspired expression. Test the message. Hold all things up to Christ. This is how I can tell if something someone says is false, that they could not have received from Christ, because nothing that is true will contradict Christ. As well, nothing that is from God will contradict love, because God is love.

So if someone were to say (incorrectly) that God wants you to 'pray for the death of your enemies', I would know this is false, that this did not come from Christ or His Father. It directly contradicts Christ's teaching to love our enemies, to pray for those who persecute us, to forgive and to be merciful, and not to judge.


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The Lord taught us to distinguish words that are not His own, as well as the disguises that Satan and his demons use in deceiving people across all generations.

Taught you, how?


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OneJack wrote: Sun Oct 12, 2025 2:17 am
Until now, you can't tell me the method, parameter, or instruction that the voice you hear tells you to use in testing someone who claims he/she is from God. The Lord taught us to distinguish words that are not His own, as well as the disguises that Satan and his demons use in deceiving people across all generations.
We can see how Jesus communicates and instructs honest hearted ones ...-
ACTS 8:29-35

So the spirit said to Philip: “Go over and approach this chariot.” 30 Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” 31 He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?”

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So he urged Philip to get on and sit down with him. 32 Now this was the passage of Scripture that he was reading: “Like a sheep he was brought to the slaughter,+ and like a lamb that is silent before its shearer, so he does not open his mouth.+ 33 During his humiliation, justice was taken away from him.+ Who will tell the details of his generation? Because his life is taken away from the earth.”+

34 The eunuch then said to Philip: “I beg you, about whom does the prophet say this? About himself or about some other man?” 35 Philip began to speak, and starting with this scripture, he declared to him the good news about Jesus.



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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" -
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Re: Jesus Way of Shepherding

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #115]
“ JehovahsWitness” wrote:We can see how Jesus communicates and instructs honest hearted ones ...
I was asking tam the actual utterance of the ‘voice’ that spoke to him regarding the method of testing someone who claims he’s from God, but you responded quoting biblical passages, which is not a present-day revelation from God. If you heard and learned anything from God, that would be the best response that you could give to my question [to tam]

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OneJack wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 6:12 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #115]
“ JehovahsWitness” wrote:We can see how Jesus communicates and instructs honest hearted ones ...
I was asking tam the actual utterance of the ‘voice’ that spoke to him regarding the method of testing someone who claims he’s from God, but you responded quoting biblical passages, which is not a present-day revelation from God. If you heard and learned anything from God, that would be the best response that you could give to my question [to tam]

Theoretical (biblical) is too far from the practical (audible) way of Jesus’ communication to mankind.

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OneJack wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 10:11 pm
OneJack wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 6:12 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #115]
“ JehovahsWitness” wrote:We can see how Jesus communicates and instructs honest hearted ones ...
I was asking tam the actual utterance of the ‘voice’ that spoke to him regarding the method of testing someone who claims he’s from God, but you responded quoting biblical passages, which is not a present-day revelation from God. If you heard and learned anything from God, that would be the best response that you could give to my question [to tam]

Theoretical (biblical) is too far from the practical (audible) way of Jesus’ communication to mankind.
The problem is, your Jesus just comes on 2001 offering salvation to those who'll hear him, closing salvation to all dead faithful Christians not able to listen to him.

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Peace to you,
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 10:44 am
OneJack wrote: Sun Oct 12, 2025 2:17 am
Until now, you can't tell me the method, parameter, or instruction that the voice you hear tells you to use in testing someone who claims he/she is from God. The Lord taught us to distinguish words that are not His own, as well as the disguises that Satan and his demons use in deceiving people across all generations.
We can see how Jesus communicates and instructs honest hearted ones ...-
ACTS 8:29-35

So the spirit said to Philip: “Go over and approach this chariot.” 30 Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” 31 He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?”

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So he urged Philip to get on and sit down with him. 32 Now this was the passage of Scripture that he was reading: “Like a sheep he was brought to the slaughter,+ and like a lamb that is silent before its shearer, so he does not open his mouth.+ 33 During his humiliation, justice was taken away from him.+ Who will tell the details of his generation? Because his life is taken away from the earth.”+

34 The eunuch then said to Philip: “I beg you, about whom does the prophet say this? About himself or about some other man?” 35 Philip began to speak, and starting with this scripture, he declared to him the good news about Jesus.



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And how did Phillip know to 'go over and approach this chariot'?

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tam wrote: Sat Oct 25, 2025 5:44 pm Peace to you,
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 10:44 am
OneJack wrote: Sun Oct 12, 2025 2:17 am
Until now, you can't tell me the method, parameter, or instruction that the voice you hear tells you to use in testing someone who claims he/she is from God. The Lord taught us to distinguish words that are not His own, as well as the disguises that Satan and his demons use in deceiving people across all generations.
We can see how Jesus communicates and instructs honest hearted ones ...-
ACTS 8:29-35

So the spirit said to Philip: “Go over and approach this chariot.” 30 Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” 31 He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?”

Image

So he urged Philip to get on and sit down with him. 32 Now this was the passage of Scripture that he was reading: “Like a sheep he was brought to the slaughter,+ and like a lamb that is silent before its shearer, so he does not open his mouth.+ 33 During his humiliation, justice was taken away from him.+ Who will tell the details of his generation? Because his life is taken away from the earth.”+

34 The eunuch then said to Philip: “I beg you, about whom does the prophet say this? About himself or about some other man?” 35 Philip began to speak, and starting with this scripture, he declared to him the good news about Jesus.



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS
And how did Phillip know to 'go over and approach this chariot'?

Peace again to you.
The author wrote the exact ‘utterance’ of the spirit, which was a command saying, “ Go over and approach this chariot.” Do you have a similar token from the small still voice that talks to you to date? If you do, could you share that with us this time?

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