The Gospel of Jesus vs the Gospel of Jehovah

[Johan]

Depending on who you "think" the Living God is you have a "Gospel" from Him. And it is a huge problem to many.

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So who is He? Jesus or Jehovah/Yahweh? There can not be 2 Gods. One is a liar. So let us see what Jesus says about "His Gospel". And let us see what Jehovah says about "His Gospel".

A "contest" between the "2 Gods"? Sure. The Living God does not fear it. In fact He Loves it.

Let the Fire Fall! Because the Real God answers in "Fire" and is not scared to be "challenged". In Fact the "challenge belongs to Him. Because the Victory too.

1 Kings 18: 21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.*n5
22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the Lord; but Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men.
23 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:
24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the Lord: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.*n6
25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.*n7*n8*n9
27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.*n10*n11*n12
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.*n13
29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.*n14*n15

30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me.

So what is the Gospel of Jesus? And what is the Gospel of Jehovah?

[tam]

Peace to you OneJack,

[Replying to tam in post #58]

Hell as a place of eternal suffering does not exist.

Will it not exist forever?

It will not.

Hell - translated from Hades - is the world of the dead. There are many many threads on this forum about this topic. I will link to one that covers most everything (and there are other links in that post).

From the topic "Eternal hell or no": viewtopic.php?p=1028756#p1028756


The dead (who are not in Christ) go to Hades/Sheol/the world of the dead to await the resurrection OF the dead (the second resurrection.) But they are not conscious and suffering in that place. Why would they be suffering some sort of punishment before the judgment has even happened?

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

Hades (hell) GIVES UP the dead in it, and THEN they are judged.

THEN:

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Hades (hell) has been emptied out and then it is thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed.

No more hades. No more death either.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[OneJack]

Peace to you OneJack,

[Replying to tam in post #58]

Hell as a place of eternal suffering does not exist.

Will it not exist forever?

It will not.

Hell - translated from Hades - is the world of the dead. There are many many threads on this forum about this topic. I will link to one that covers most everything (and there are other links in that post).

From the topic "Eternal hell or no": viewtopic.php?p=1028756#p1028756


The dead (who are not in Christ) go to Hades/Sheol/the world of the dead to await the resurrection OF the dead (the second resurrection.) But they are not conscious and suffering in that place. Why would they be suffering some sort of punishment before the judgment has even happened?

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

Hades (hell) GIVES UP the dead in it, and THEN they are judged.

THEN:

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Hades (hell) has been emptied out and then it is thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed.

No more hades. No more death either.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Allow me to ask you two things:

1. Did the voice you hear tell you something about hell in particular?

2. What is that lake of fire where hades and death were thrown into?

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you OneJack,

[Replying to tam in post #58]

Hell as a place of eternal suffering does not exist.

Will it not exist forever?

It will not.

Hell - translated from Hades - is the world of the dead. There are many many threads on this forum about this topic. I will link to one that covers most everything (and there are other links in that post).

From the topic "Eternal hell or no": viewtopic.php?p=1028756#p1028756


The dead (who are not in Christ) go to Hades/Sheol/the world of the dead to await the resurrection OF the dead (the second resurrection.) But they are not conscious and suffering in that place. Why would they be suffering some sort of punishment before the judgment has even happened?

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

Hades (hell) GIVES UP the dead in it, and THEN they are judged.

THEN:

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Hades (hell) has been emptied out and then it is thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed.

No more hades. No more death either.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Allow me to ask you two things:

1. Did the voice you hear tell you something about hell in particular?

Christ - the Good Shepherd - does NOT teach that hell is a place of eternal torment. He has never taught me that, not in the spirit and not in what is written. He does, however, teach that God is love. And yet there is no love (and no need) for a place to exist where people would be alive for all eternity to suffer in torment.

For one - that is a completely illogical position to take. Eternal life is a GIFT. Not a punishment.

For two - the choice that is set before us is this: Life or death. Not life or eternal torment in hell.

"I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live." Deut 30:19

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2. What is that lake of fire where hades and death were thrown into?

Fire that completely destroys. No more death, no more hades (the world of the dead.)


Peace again to you.

[OneJack]

Peace to you,

Peace to you OneJack,

[Replying to tam in post #58]

Hell as a place of eternal suffering does not exist.

Will it not exist forever?

It will not.

Hell - translated from Hades - is the world of the dead. There are many many threads on this forum about this topic. I will link to one that covers most everything (and there are other links in that post).

From the topic "Eternal hell or no": viewtopic.php?p=1028756#p1028756


The dead (who are not in Christ) go to Hades/Sheol/the world of the dead to await the resurrection OF the dead (the second resurrection.) But they are not conscious and suffering in that place. Why would they be suffering some sort of punishment before the judgment has even happened?

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

Hades (hell) GIVES UP the dead in it, and THEN they are judged.

THEN:

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Hades (hell) has been emptied out and then it is thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed.

No more hades. No more death either.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Allow me to ask you two things:

1. Did the voice you hear tell you something about hell in particular?

Christ - the Good Shepherd - does NOT teach that hell is a place of eternal torment. He has never taught me that, not in the spirit and not in what is written. He does, however, teach that God is love. And yet there is no love (and no need) for a place to exist where people would be alive for all eternity to suffer in torment.

I doubt he is the Christ, as you claimed. The Lord Jesus identified Himself to us He’s the Christ and taught us that when Judgment Day comes, hell will be in place for all the unsaved (goats).

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

The events of Judgment will be terrifying. Everything we see in the universe will be destroyed and melt like ice. All planets, including the world, will explode and collapse. Nothing will remain standing, and everything will be destroyed. All creatures that have died, whether human, animal, or any living thing, will be resurrected. Those who are alive when Judgment comes will witness the terrifying fate of all. After a few seconds of resurrection, everyone will die again, including those who were brought back to life from their graves. And everyone will die! Then, all will be judged. Those who are not saved will be cast into a sea of fire, while those who are saved will be in eternal paradise, enjoying peace with God.

For one - that is a completely illogical position to take. Eternal life is a GIFT. Not a punishment.

For two - the choice that is set before us is this: Life or death. Not life or eternal torment in hell.

Eternal life and eternal punishment are what await us all.

2. What is that lake of fire where hades and death were thrown into?

Fire that completely destroys. No more death, no more hades (the world of the dead.)
Peace again to you.

That’s the planet hell, which will come to its formation after the Judgment.

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you OneJack,



It will not.

Hell - translated from Hades - is the world of the dead. There are many many threads on this forum about this topic. I will link to one that covers most everything (and there are other links in that post).

From the topic "Eternal hell or no": viewtopic.php?p=1028756#p1028756


The dead (who are not in Christ) go to Hades/Sheol/the world of the dead to await the resurrection OF the dead (the second resurrection.) But they are not conscious and suffering in that place. Why would they be suffering some sort of punishment before the judgment has even happened?

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

Hades (hell) GIVES UP the dead in it, and THEN they are judged.

THEN:

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Hades (hell) has been emptied out and then it is thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed.

No more hades. No more death either.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Allow me to ask you two things:

1. Did the voice you hear tell you something about hell in particular?

Christ - the Good Shepherd - does NOT teach that hell is a place of eternal torment. He has never taught me that, not in the spirit and not in what is written. He does, however, teach that God is love. And yet there is no love (and no need) for a place to exist where people would be alive for all eternity to suffer in torment.

I doubt he is the Christ, as you claimed.

He is the Christ.

The Lord Jesus identified Himself to us He’s the Christ and taught us that when Judgment Day comes, hell will be in place for all the unsaved (goats).

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

How do you know who is speaking to you? The person you claim spoke to you (well not to you, but to someone else) doesn't identify themselves with any name.

The events of Judgment will be terrifying. Everything we see in the universe will be destroyed and melt like ice. All planets, including the world, will explode and collapse. Nothing will remain standing, and everything will be destroyed. All creatures that have died, whether human, animal, or any living thing, will be resurrected. Those who are alive when Judgment comes will witness the terrifying fate of all. After a few seconds of resurrection, everyone will die again, including those who were brought back to life from their graves. And everyone will die! Then, all will be judged. Those who are not saved will be cast into a sea of fire, while those who are saved will be in eternal paradise, enjoying peace with God.

But not everyone will die.

Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies. 26And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. John 11:25, 26

The virgins in the parable at Matthew 25 aren't dead when the bridegroom (Christ) returns.

Some will be alive when Christ returns:

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Also, not everyone is judged:

Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24

For one - that is a completely illogical position to take. Eternal life is a GIFT. Not a punishment.

For two - the choice that is set before us is this: Life or death. Not life or eternal torment in hell.

Eternal life and eternal punishment are what await us all.

The 'punishment' that is eternal is death.

2. What is that lake of fire where hades and death were thrown into?

Fire that completely destroys. No more death, no more hades (the world of the dead.)
Peace again to you.

That’s the planet hell, which will come to its formation after the Judgment.

You are saying that "hell" is going to be thrown into "planet hell". That makes no sense.

I also don't think you understand that the English word 'hell' is translated from a couple different concepts, none of which means a place of eternal suffering:

Hell - translated from Hades/Sheol - is simply the world of the dead, the place where Job longed to go to ESCAPE his suffering. How can a person escape their suffering by going to a place OF suffering?

Hell in the OT is translated from Sheol (I think Hades is simply the Greek equivalent of the same word), which is the world of the dead:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon ... v/wlc/0-1/

Everyone went there. As stated, Job longed to go there to ESCAPE his suffering.

Hell in the NT can be referring to 'gehenna', a fiery pit that burned refuge somewhere around Israel - but there was nothing alive in that pit.



The choice that God gives is between life and death. Why in the world would He want or need to create a 'planet hell'? Where is the love in that?


Peace again to you.

[Capbook]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you OneJack,



It will not.

Hell - translated from Hades - is the world of the dead. There are many many threads on this forum about this topic. I will link to one that covers most everything (and there are other links in that post).

From the topic "Eternal hell or no": viewtopic.php?p=1028756#p1028756


The dead (who are not in Christ) go to Hades/Sheol/the world of the dead to await the resurrection OF the dead (the second resurrection.) But they are not conscious and suffering in that place. Why would they be suffering some sort of punishment before the judgment has even happened?

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

Hades (hell) GIVES UP the dead in it, and THEN they are judged.

THEN:

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Hades (hell) has been emptied out and then it is thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed.

No more hades. No more death either.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Allow me to ask you two things:

1. Did the voice you hear tell you something about hell in particular?

Christ - the Good Shepherd - does NOT teach that hell is a place of eternal torment. He has never taught me that, not in the spirit and not in what is written. He does, however, teach that God is love. And yet there is no love (and no need) for a place to exist where people would be alive for all eternity to suffer in torment.

I doubt he is the Christ, as you claimed.

He is the Christ.

The Lord Jesus identified Himself to us He’s the Christ and taught us that when Judgment Day comes, hell will be in place for all the unsaved (goats).

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

How do you know who is speaking to you? The person you claim spoke to you (well not to you, but to someone else) doesn't identify themselves with any name.

The events of Judgment will be terrifying. Everything we see in the universe will be destroyed and melt like ice. All planets, including the world, will explode and collapse. Nothing will remain standing, and everything will be destroyed. All creatures that have died, whether human, animal, or any living thing, will be resurrected. Those who are alive when Judgment comes will witness the terrifying fate of all. After a few seconds of resurrection, everyone will die again, including those who were brought back to life from their graves. And everyone will die! Then, all will be judged. Those who are not saved will be cast into a sea of fire, while those who are saved will be in eternal paradise, enjoying peace with God.

But not everyone will die.

Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies. 26And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. John 11:25, 26

The virgins in the parable at Matthew 25 aren't dead when the bridegroom (Christ) returns.

Some will be alive when Christ returns:

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Also, not everyone is judged:

Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24

For one - that is a completely illogical position to take. Eternal life is a GIFT. Not a punishment.

For two - the choice that is set before us is this: Life or death. Not life or eternal torment in hell.

Eternal life and eternal punishment are what await us all.

The 'punishment' that is eternal is death.

2. What is that lake of fire where hades and death were thrown into?

Fire that completely destroys. No more death, no more hades (the world of the dead.)
Peace again to you.

That’s the planet hell, which will come to its formation after the Judgment.

You are saying that "hell" is going to be thrown into "planet hell". That makes no sense.

I also don't think you understand that the English word 'hell' is translated from a couple different concepts, none of which means a place of eternal suffering:

Hell - translated from Hades/Sheol - is simply the world of the dead, the place where Job longed to go to ESCAPE his suffering. How can a person escape their suffering by going to a place OF suffering?

Hell in the OT is translated from Sheol (I think Hades is simply the Greek equivalent of the same word), which is the world of the dead:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon ... v/wlc/0-1/

Everyone went there. As stated, Job longed to go there to ESCAPE his suffering.

Hell in the NT can be referring to 'gehenna', a fiery pit that burned refuge somewhere around Israel - but there was nothing alive in that pit.



The choice that God gives is between life and death. Why in the world would He want or need to create a 'planet hell'? Where is the love in that?


Peace again to you.

Yes, the judgement would be eternal life and eternal death.

The word 'hell" in Mark 9:47 in Greek is "γέεννα geenna" defined by Bible lexicon as - a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.
This place is also called the “lake of fire” in Rev 20:13-15, a place prepared for the devil and his angels (Mat 25:41).
The anointed cherub who sinned will be consumed by fire and will turned to ashes. That would be the second death, the eternal death.(Ezek 28:14-18)

Mark 9:47  “And R1ifG1437 your eyeG3788 is causingG4624 you toG4624 sinG4624, throwG1544b it awayG1544b; it is betterG2570 for you to enterG1525 the kingdomG932 of GodG2316 with oneG3442 eyeG3442, thanG2228, havingG2192 twoG1417 eyesG3788, to be thrownG1544b into N1 R2hellG1067, 

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γέεννα geenna
Thayer Definition:
1) Hell is the place of the future punishment call “Gehenna” or “Gehenna of fire”. This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.

Eze 28:14  “You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire. 
Eze 28:15  “You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you. 
Eze 28:16  “By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, you covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire. 
Eze 28:17  “Your heart was haughty because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor. I threw you to the ground; I put you before kings, That they may see you. 
Eze 28:18  “By the multitude of your wrongdoings, In the unrighteousness of your trade You profaned your sanctuaries. Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you; It has consumed you, And I have turned you to ashes on the earth In the eyes of all who see you. 

[Johan]

You should have asked the Father first about the gospel I said we heard and learned from the Lord Jesus instead of an outright assumption that it seems like the gospel of Lucifer.
Sorry, but it’s now obvious that you really do not know Jesus, even His words do not ring a bell in your mind. And I doubt too if you know Lucifer.

You are right here Brother. We have to ask the Father about His Gospel. But I had to establish the "Gospel of Jesus" first as the "Baal" who has only an evil existence as the god of Lucifer which he brought into existence as a Replacement of the Real Living God, Jehovah/Yahweh/Yahuah. And He is of course not "Jesus" because "Jesus" is the Son. But how you pronounce His Name is not important to Him. What is important is that He said He is "Abba Father/Daddy". Just as in human life we are not much interested in our babies starting to call us by our names because they know our names. What is important is "daddy".

So in the Gospel of Jehovah we enter Loving Him as our Daddy because we are born of Him and exactly the same as He is. Here is a nice song on this.



This song is unlike the songs of the denominations and organizations not a "worship song" where the the fake "Jesus/Baal" enjoys being worshiped by His slaves but an "Edifying Song" where He enjoys Loving His Kids in raising them into being His Kids and the awareness of who they actually are. Where He is saving them from their hell of human existence as Lucifer in sin and good and bad manifestations in their lives. Because they enter God Life in being the same as their Daddy and Living in the Same Spirit of Love as their Daddy. Perfectly saved from their sinning wretched human existence which is the "hell" He is saving us from. Unlike the "hell of Jesus" which is waiting for you in heaven to punish you in cruelty because you didn't work hard enough for him as his slave.

In the Gospel of Jehovah He is not 3 persons but One only. As He always said. And His "Son, Jesus" is not someone who desires to be worshiped in having slaves but is you as His Child. Where you have the "Name above all Names". As that is the Love of any father and The Father to give His Kids the Greatest Name He knows. Where Jehovah our Daddy Lived the Word of our Creation which is Jesus to create the Real Jesus who is you. And "in Jesus" which is terminology to describe your existence "as Jesus" you enter this Great Life of Jesus which we see in the Word of Jesus. Which is Father and Son being One. Because the Word of Jesus can create nothing else but the Reality of Jesus who is you.

A nice Edifying song which touches on this.



This is the Gospel of the Living God of Grace where the Greatness of His Gospel of Love motivates you to enter. Unlike Jesus where the fear of his hell motivates you to be His slave. And in the Grace of God who died on the cross in Jesus which is His body He created in Mary by which He could die for us we are saved in His death which is on our behalf and is in His Faith our death as a wretched sinning human being. And when He raised from the Grave it is our Raising as His Son, Jesus Christ.

Rom. 6: 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[Johan]

I am not in agreement with it.
Hell as a place of eternal suffering does not exist.
That is something that men have conceived.
Not God, and not His Son.

The Gospel of Jehovah is now out. And now the evil "gospel of Lucifer" which is the "gospel of Jesus" of the denominations and organizations are clearly contrasted. Where they have "Baal" they worship and not the God of Love with His Powerful Gospel of Jesus. Where Jesus is The Living Word from Him which He Lived Himself in a body He created for Himself to give us His thoughts which were always in his mind about His Son, Jesus in Living it. Show us exactly who we are in His Mind.

His Real Son, Jesus Christ.

[tam]

Peace to you,

I am not in agreement with it.
Hell as a place of eternal suffering does not exist.
That is something that men have conceived.
Not God, and not His Son.

The Gospel of Jehovah is now out. And now the evil "gospel of Lucifer" which is the "gospel of Jesus" of the denominations and organizations are clearly contrasted. Where they have "Baal" they worship and not the God of Love with His Powerful Gospel of Jesus. Where Jesus is The Living Word from Him which He Lived Himself in a body He created for Himself to give us His thoughts which were always in his mind about His Son, Jesus in Living it. Show us exactly who we are in His Mind.

His Real Son, Jesus Christ.

Men and religion twist the gospel (good news), that is correct.

God is also love. It sounds as if you are saying that, and if so, that is also correct.

But God's Son - Christ Jaheshua is alive. He exists, He lives, He speaks. He is His own person.

We can become sons of our Father in heaven, yes. We can be gathered in to the Body of Christ, yes. But we are not the Head of that Body. The Head of that Body is the Son of God, God's heir.

Speaking of heirs, Paul said:

Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

How can you be a co-heir with someone who is not real?


Peace again to you.

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Depending on who you "think" the Living God is you have a "Gospel" from Him. And it is a huge problem to many.

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So who is He? Jesus or Jehovah/Yahweh? There can not be 2 Gods. One is a liar. So let us see what Jesus says about "His Gospel". And let us see what Jehovah says about "His Gospel".

A "contest" between the "2 Gods"? Sure. The Living God does not fear it. In fact He Loves it.

Let the Fire Fall! Because the Real God answers in "Fire" and is not scared to be "challenged". In Fact the "challenge belongs to Him. Because the Victory too.

1 Kings 18: 21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.*n5
22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the Lord; but Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men.
23 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:
24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the Lord: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.*n6
25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.*n7*n8*n9
27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.*n10*n11*n12
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.*n13
29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.*n14*n15

30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me.

So what is the Gospel of Jesus? And what is the Gospel of Jehovah?

I love the way you tell only half the story, always leaving out certain details. Elijah was speaking to a fallen people, the Jews who had fallen in line with their corrupt King Ahab, and Jezebel's priests who were following her false god Baal. They were challenging Elijah and the LORD told them, "You and thy father's house, in that you have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and you have followed Ba-la-am."

It was not a contest between our Creator YHWH (Jesus) who is said to have created all things. Colossians 1:16, speaking of Jesus, "by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth," it was a contest between the truth and a false god. In Revelation 1:8, Jesus' own words, and don't try to distort what is being said. Jesus is speaking, He said, "I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING SAID THE Lord, WHICH IS, AND WHICH WAS, AND WHICH IS TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY."

I know you probably hate discussing this verse because certain cults have distorted it, confusing others. the verse is John 1:1,

When? "In the beginning"
Was the Word (Jesus' ne title). Where did John get this from? It's from Revelation 19:12-13, speaking of Jesus, "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself." Revelation was written 30+ years after Matthew, Mark, and Luke were written. This new name (the Word) was unknown until Jesus informed John around 97 AD. of this mystery name. Then, John, a year or two later, wrote the book of John, around 98 A.D., after he left Patmos, and revealed this new name to us. He wrote,

And the Word was with God (the Father). When? "In the beginning." When was that beginning? It was in Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

"And the Word was God." So, you have the Father in heaven, and the Son of God, the creator of the heaven and earth, and the Holy Spirit, Genesis 1:2, sent to create a new heaven and earth. And who was the one sent to speak the heaven and earth into existence? It was the Son of God, whose name in Genesis 1:3 is Jehovah. "And God said,"

Now, do me a favor: when you respond, use what I wrote so others can compare your response to what I have declared from Scripture. If you don't, I will write a separate thread on this important matter and expose the corruption of certain cults. So, like you said, "Let's let the fire fall."