Does God Intervene?

[POI]

Christians, both in prayer and without, will state God gave me this, did that, or other.

For debate: Does God ever intervene, with or without being asked? If no, why ever ask God for anything? If yes, why does he skip many/all requests?

[POI]

We don't pray to have ever prayer answered.

Nonsense. Christians believe they can pray for their prayers to be answered, but it's understood that God's answer might not always be "yes," sometimes it's "wait" or "no," often depending on praying in faith, aligning with His will (found in the Bible), confessing sin, and having the right motives, as prayer is a dialogue for connection and seeking God's best, not just getting wants fulfilled. These, "yes", "wait", "no" responses pertain to:

Yes: Healing, provision, forgiveness.
Wait: God's timing isn't always immediate.
No: God may have a better plan or purpose.

Bible verses, such as James 1:5-6 (which says to ask in faith, believing God will give, as Jesus taught), or "ask, and it will be given you" (Matthew 7:7) support the above.

If you ask for a certain job, and God knows that job is bad for you spiritually, he is not going to work a miracle for you to get the job.

Millions have and will ask for jobs. When they get them, they will give god the credit/glory. When they don't get it. they will make an excuse, such as the given 'wait' or 'no' responses above. For the believer, the god they believe in is never at fault or possibly vacant. Wee!

The time is the whole of existence. We need suffering to grow in virtues, so to cure all diseases negatively effects how many become what they need to be so they never choose to be without God.

This response does not explain why some conditions have to remain incurable. If humans need suffering, suffering can be achieved with curable conditions alone. Countless people still stuffer/die while possessing curable or treatable conditions/diseases. Please try again.

Why does God never cure the deemed incurable?

I don't know what your question is asking exactly. General revelation about what and for what?

General revelation no longer necessitates the need to prove it to others.

[AquinasForGod]

[Replying to POI in post #71]

This response does not explain why some conditions have to remain incurable. If humans need suffering, suffering can be achieved with curable conditions alone. Countless people still stuffer/die while possessing curable or treatable conditions/diseases. Please try again.

That isn't a problem. Humans still need to suffer regardless if some suffering can be cured and the person fails to use the cure.


My position is that this is the world God created because it results in maximal goodness for the greatest number of freewill beings. You might feel like that cannot be right because you see a lot of suffering. How you feel doesn't disprove anything.

[POI]

That isn't a problem.

It is a problem, and I gave evidence as to why. Bible verses, such as James 1:5-6 and Matthew 7:7 present the claim of an intervening god. Well, where it comes to some illnesses and conditions, god never intervenes. Maybe this is yet another shining example as to why such a claimed god is not actually there to cure anything at all?

Humans still need to suffer regardless if some suffering can be cured and the person fails to use the cure.

You would have a point if THIS topic was not created. But it was, so you still have problems. This god is said to intervene. And yet, he perpetually skips the (requested interventions) of incurable illnesses and conditions. The reason? See my response directly above. See the underlined.

My position is that this is the world God created because it results in maximal goodness for the greatest number of freewill beings. You might feel like that cannot be right because you see a lot of suffering. How you feel doesn't disprove anything.

It's not about personal feelings. It's instead being forth basic observation, in observance to the presented claims from your Bible book. Your believed upon book is illogical. And I also explained why in the previous post.

[AquinasForGod]

[Replying to POI in post #73]

I agree that the way you interpret the bible leads to contradictory ideas.

[POI]

[Replying to POI in post #73]

I agree that the way you interpret the bible leads to contradictory ideas.

And I agree that the way you interpret the bible leads to free-for-all, allowing for the Bible to stand 'grounded', -- no matter what is (discovered/presented), which later presents as bringing logical doubt. If God desperately wants a relationship with his creation, but never cares to reach out to the ones who ask, even though the Bible tells the reader he will, (it doesn't matter). If a Moses did not really exist, (it doesn't matter). Etc... Just as long as you can cleave to the unfounded and unfalsifiable 'risen Jesus' storyline, that's really (all that matters). The rest is just 'white noise.'