The seed, Holy Spirit and Mary

[placebofactor]

Is the Son of God himself the seed that was implanted by the Holy Spirit into Mary’s womb? By the decree of the Father, and by the Son's own power, the Son became the seed that the Holy Spirit implanted in Mary's womb.

Since the Son of God is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the earth was laid, it means He existed in eternity before time as we know it. Therefore, Jesus had no beginning? This possibility harmonizes beautifully with both prophetic typology and high Christology. This possibility is weaving together seed, Spirit, and sacrifice into a framework that affirms the Son’s eternal nature while preserving his incarnational mystery.

If the Son himself is the seed implanted by the Holy Spirit into Mary’s womb, then He is not merely the product of conception, but the pre-existent divine person who entered creation.

The Holy Spirit did not create the Son in Mary; He transferred or manifested the eternal Son into human flesh. This preserves the eternality of the Son while affirming the virgin birth and incarnation, echoing John 1:14: “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”

The Word didn’t begin in Mary, He entered her.

Revelation 13:8 calls Jesus “The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” This implies that the Son’s sacrificial identity was established in eternity, not merely in time. In prophetic terms, the cross was not a reaction; it was a pre-temporal decree, part of God’s eternal counsel. So, if the Son was already the Lamb before creation, then He existed before time, before matter, before history.

So, Jesus, as the Son of God, has no beginning. His humanity began in time, but his personhood did not. He is the eternal Son who became flesh, not a man who became divine. Seed = Word = Son: The seed implanted is the eternal Word, not a created embryo.

The Holy Spirit was the Divine Midwife: The Holy Spirit doesn’t create the Son but facilitates his entry into flesh. Mary was the earthly vessel: She received the eternal seed, fulfilling Isaiah 7:14, “Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

So, the Son Himself is the Seed implanted by the Holy Spirit; this model affirms Jesus' eternal preexistence:

John 1:1–3: “In the beginning was the Word… and the Word was God.”
Colossians 1:17: “He is before all things.”
Revelation 13:8: “The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

These three verses confirm that the Son existed before creation, before time, and before his human birth. He is not created, but eternally begotten.
Incarnation Through the Spirit

Luke 1:35: “The Holy Spirit will come upon you… therefore, the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.”
Matthew 1:20: “What is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.” This shows that the Holy Spirit did not create a new being but implanted the eternal Son into Mary’s womb. The Son took on flesh, not a new identity.

These passages affirm that Christ is the seed, not just metaphorically, but spiritually and prophetically. He is the fulfillment of the seed promise in Genesis 3:15.
This model fits best, preserving the eternality of the Son, his Trinitarian role: The Father begets, the Spirit implants, the Son incarnates. It honors the prophetic typology: the seed of the woman is the eternal Son, not a created embryo, thus avoiding the pitfalls of Arianism (created Son) and modalism (no distinction of persons).

This model is a powerhouse against the “Counterfeit Prophecy” and “Twin Thefts” framework. It exposes how false doctrines deny the Son’s eternal identity, reduce the incarnation to mere biology, and confuse creation with begetting. This model gives us a scripturally anchored, Spirit-led foundation for teaching the mystery of Christ with clarity and apologetic force.

[OneJack]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

Is the Son of God himself the seed that was implanted by the Holy Spirit into Mary’s womb? By the decree of the Father, and by the Son's own power, the Son became the seed that the Holy Spirit implanted in Mary's womb.

The Son was only God’s vessel (John 14:10-11) in coming in the flesh. The power that was manifested in the Son, a human like us, was the Father himself.

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

Is the Son of God himself the seed that was implanted by the Holy Spirit into Mary’s womb? By the decree of the Father, and by the Son's own power, the Son became the seed that the Holy Spirit implanted in Mary's womb.

The Son was only God’s vessel (John 14:10-11) in coming in the flesh. The power that was manifested in the Son, a human like us, was the Father himself.

You're talking in circles. You say, "The Son was only God's vessel." Now, the word "seed" in Greek is "Sperma." I do hope you know what "Sperm" = "seed" is? Explain in layman's terms what the living seed was that was implanted in Mary's womb by the Holy Spirit. It can only be one of two things. The seed came directly from the Father's (spiritual) DNA, which would make his Son eternal, or it was Jehovah himself who made himself into a seed. You know who Jehovah is, I hope?

Jehovah is our Creator, Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created," All things, not half or 3/4, but "All Things," beginning with the heaven and the earth.

Now, Hebrews 1:8, the Father declared of his Son, "Thy throne, O God," Imagine that! the Father himself called his Son "God". He then said of his Son, you are, "for ever and ever," meaning without beginning and without end.

Verse 10, the Father also said of his Beloved Son, "Thou LORD, in the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth." Doesn't that remind you of John 1:3, speaking of Jesus, "All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made."

John 1:1, "the Word (Jesus) was with God (his Father) and the Word was God." Where is Jesus now? Acts tells us that he has returned to the same place he came from, sitting on his throne at the right hand of his Father.

1 Timothy 3:16, King James Bible, "God (our Creator) was manifest (came to us) in the flesh."

With Matthew 1:23, "And they shall call his name Emmanuel (one of his titles), which means (in both Hebrew and Greek) God with us."

Revelation 1:8, Jesus declared himself to be the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, --- which is (present), which was (past tense), and is to come (future) the ALMIGHTY."

Now put that all together and read Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and the earth."

Verse 3, "And God (Jehovah) said, let there be" and so he created all things. Now, go back and read Colossians 1:16 again.

Who is it that created all things in Colossians 1:16? It was Jesus Christ, the Word, the Logos, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the Almighty, Emmanuel, the one who Philippians 3:6-7-8, made himself of no reputation." Why? Because he took upon himself the form of a servant.

So as the seed, he made himself in the likeness of a man, and the Holy Spirit implanted him in Mary's womb, thus he humbled himself. And because it was the Father's will, and because Jesus loves his Father, he became OBEDIENT unto death."

These are the words you will find in an uncorrupted Bible like the King James. Everything comes together into one truth, no excuses, no rewrites, no opinions, only the truth straight from the mouth of God. And who is the 'Author and finisher of our faith? Of course, it's Jehovah, our Creator, the Christ, the Word, the one we call Jesus.

So, if anyone chooses to use a corrupt Bible, then you will get a different story, or they can make up their own fairy tales as they jump from verse to verse. That's my story, what's yours?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #3]

For the Son of God to be born in the womb of a mortal, what do we know for sure about the seed that the Holy Spirit placed in Mary’s womb? It would have had to have life in it, so what was that life? Christians have wrestled with it for centuries because it sits right at the intersection of biology, theology, and mystery. Here’s what we can say with clarity, and where Scripture intentionally leaves room for wonder.

Scripture teaches that the conception was entirely miraculous. The New Testament is clear: Jesus’ conception did not involve a human father.
Luke 1:35, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.” This is not described as a natural reproductive act, but a creative act of God.

The “seed” was not biological sperm. Nothing in Scripture suggests that the Holy Spirit contributed a biological male seed. Instead, the language points to divine creative action, similar to God forming Adam from the dust, breathing life into Adam, or opening barren wombs in the Old Testament.

The early church consistently taught that the life placed in Mary’s womb was the eternal Son taking on human nature. This is the heart of Christian belief, John 1:14. The “life” was the eternal Word, who “became flesh.”
In other words, the divine Son already existed, the Holy Spirit caused a true human nature to begin in Mary, and the divine and human natures were united in one Person: Jesus Christ.

So, the “life” was the eternal Son of God, entering human existence through a miraculous conception. Why did it have to be this way? To be the Savior, Jesus had to be truly human to represent us. He had to be truly sinless, not inheriting Adam’s fallen nature, and he had to be truly divine, able to conquer sin and death.

In short, the virgin conception accomplishes all three. The “life” placed in Mary’s womb was the eternal Son of God taking on real human life through a miraculous act of creation by the Holy Spirit. This was not a biological seed, a created soul, or a divine sperm cell. It was God Himself, the eternal Son, entering human flesh.

[OneJack]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #3]

You're talking in circles. You say, "The Son was only God's vessel." Now, the word "seed" in Greek is "Sperma." I do hope you know what "Sperm" = "seed" is? Explain in layman's terms what the living seed was that was implanted in Mary's womb by the Holy Spirit. It can only be one of two things. The seed came directly from the Father's (spiritual) DNA, which would make his Son eternal, or it was Jehovah himself who made himself into a seed. You know who Jehovah is, I hope?

Neither are you the Son nor the Almighty God yet speak as if you were the Almighty God, who knows all things. Where did you get your ‘Father’s (spiritual) DNA’ from? God is spirit who can manifests Himself into anything He wants when He communicates with mankind. And one of His manifestations was the one He did to the Son born of a virgin, where He dwelt Himself in him (Son) for approximately 33 years. Take note of what the angel said to J&M, and he said:

“Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.”

“The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”

And when the Son was born and get matured, he said:

“Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.”

The Son narrated to the apostles these things, saying

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Therefore, it’s either you take the truth from the Son, or from Jesus who’s beside you always if you do not want to be deceived [by yourself or by other bible toting preachers].

Now, Hebrews 1:8, the Father declared of his Son, "Thy throne, O God," Imagine that! the Father himself called his Son "God". He then said of his Son, you are, "for ever and ever," meaning without beginning and without end.

You don’t know who the author of the book of Hebrew is, do you? The Son of God is only the male son, who was born of Mary. He was a human flesh like us, not God as you opine. The writing of the author of the book of Hebrews, who was still unknown to the world, is unreliable and skewed, as far as the physical nature of the Son is at stake.

Let’s see what God tells David, through Nathan the prophet, about His son, and He says:

“And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men.”

This was fulfilled in the NT through the Holy Spirit and Mary that a child was born, who was the Son of God.

Verse 10, the Father also said of his Beloved Son, "Thou LORD, in the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth." Doesn't that remind you of John 1:3, speaking of Jesus, "All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made."

John 1:1, "the Word (Jesus) was with God (his Father) and the Word was God." Where is Jesus now? Acts tells us that he has returned to the same place he came from, sitting on his throne at the right hand of his Father.

1 Timothy 3:16, King James Bible, "God (our Creator) was manifest (came to us) in the flesh."

With Matthew 1:23, "And they shall call his name Emmanuel (one of his titles), which means (in both Hebrew and Greek) God with us."

Revelation 1:8, Jesus declared himself to be the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, --- which is (present), which was (past tense), and is to come (future) the ALMIGHTY."

Now put that all together and read Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and the earth."

Verse 3, "And God (Jehovah) said, let there be" and so he created all things. Now, go back and read Colossians 1:16 again.

Who is it that created all things in Colossians 1:16? It was Jesus Christ, the Word, the Logos, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the Almighty, Emmanuel, the one who Philippians 3:6-7-8, made himself of no reputation." Why? Because he took upon himself the form of a servant.

So as the seed, he made himself in the likeness of a man, and the Holy Spirit implanted him in Mary's womb, thus he humbled himself. And because it was the Father's will, and because Jesus loves his Father, he became OBEDIENT unto death."

These are the words you will find in an uncorrupted Bible like the King James. Everything comes together into one truth, no excuses, no rewrites, no opinions, only the truth straight from the mouth of God. And who is the 'Author and finisher of our faith? Of course, it's Jehovah, our Creator, the Christ, the Word, the one we call Jesus.

So, if anyone chooses to use a corrupt Bible, then you will get a different story, or they can make up their own fairy tales as they jump from verse to verse. That's my story, what's yours?

Just be guided by John 14:10-11; John 17:3; and Matt 11:27 if you persist to know the Son from the bible alone, otherwise, too many contradictions await you in the pages of the bible.

However, if you want the absolute truth about God, come and talk to the Lord Jesus Christ, who is always beside you/me/them, though you/we do not see Him yet



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[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #3]

You're talking in circles. You say, "The Son was only God's vessel." Now, the word "seed" in Greek is "Sperma." I do hope you know what "Sperm" = "seed" is? Explain in layman's terms what the living seed was that was implanted in Mary's womb by the Holy Spirit. It can only be one of two things. The seed came directly from the Father's (spiritual) DNA, which would make his Son eternal, or it was Jehovah himself who made himself into a seed. You know who Jehovah is, I hope?

Neither are you the Son nor the Almighty God yet speak as if you were the Almighty God, who knows all things. Where did you get your ‘Father’s (spiritual) DNA’ from? God is spirit who can manifests Himself into anything He wants when He communicates with mankind. And one of His manifestations was the one He did to the Son born of a virgin, where He dwelt Himself in him (Son) for approximately 33 years. Take note of what the angel said to J&M, and he said:

“Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.”

“The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”

And when the Son was born and get matured, he said:

“Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.”

The Son narrated to the apostles these things, saying

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Therefore, it’s either you take the truth from the Son, or from Jesus who’s beside you always if you do not want to be deceived [by yourself or by other bible toting preachers].

Now, Hebrews 1:8, the Father declared of his Son, "Thy throne, O God," Imagine that! the Father himself called his Son "God". He then said of his Son, you are, "for ever and ever," meaning without beginning and without end.

You don’t know who the author of the book of Hebrew is, do you? The Son of God is only the male son, who was born of Mary. He was a human flesh like us, not God as you opine. The writing of the author of the book of Hebrews, who was still unknown to the world, is unreliable and skewed, as far as the physical nature of the Son is at stake.

Let’s see what God tells David, through Nathan the prophet, about His son, and He says:

“And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men.”

This was fulfilled in the NT through the Holy Spirit and Mary that a child was born, who was the Son of God.

Verse 10, the Father also said of his Beloved Son, "Thou LORD, in the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth." Doesn't that remind you of John 1:3, speaking of Jesus, "All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made."

John 1:1, "the Word (Jesus) was with God (his Father) and the Word was God." Where is Jesus now? Acts tells us that he has returned to the same place he came from, sitting on his throne at the right hand of his Father.

1 Timothy 3:16, King James Bible, "God (our Creator) was manifest (came to us) in the flesh."

With Matthew 1:23, "And they shall call his name Emmanuel (one of his titles), which means (in both Hebrew and Greek) God with us."

Revelation 1:8, Jesus declared himself to be the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, --- which is (present), which was (past tense), and is to come (future) the ALMIGHTY."

Now put that all together and read Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and the earth."

Verse 3, "And God (Jehovah) said, let there be" and so he created all things. Now, go back and read Colossians 1:16 again.

Who is it that created all things in Colossians 1:16? It was Jesus Christ, the Word, the Logos, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the Almighty, Emmanuel, the one who Philippians 3:6-7-8, made himself of no reputation." Why? Because he took upon himself the form of a servant.

So as the seed, he made himself in the likeness of a man, and the Holy Spirit implanted him in Mary's womb, thus he humbled himself. And because it was the Father's will, and because Jesus loves his Father, he became OBEDIENT unto death."

These are the words you will find in an uncorrupted Bible like the King James. Everything comes together into one truth, no excuses, no rewrites, no opinions, only the truth straight from the mouth of God. And who is the 'Author and finisher of our faith? Of course, it's Jehovah, our Creator, the Christ, the Word, the one we call Jesus.

So, if anyone chooses to use a corrupt Bible, then you will get a different story, or they can make up their own fairy tales as they jump from verse to verse. That's my story, what's yours?

Just be guided by John 14:10-11; John 17:3; and Matt 11:27 if you persist to know the Son from the bible alone, otherwise, too many contradictions await you in the pages of the bible.

However, if you want the absolute truth about God, come and talk to the Lord Jesus Christ, who is always beside you/me/them, though you/we do not see Him yet



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I speak with the Lord Jesus every day through His Holy Spirit. Where do you think I get all this wonderful information from? This one comment of yours is NUTS! You say, "if you persist to know the Son from the bible alone, otherwise, too many contradictions await you in the pages of the bible."

When I read statements like that, several verses come to mind,
Jeremiah 29:8, "Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed."

Matthew 24:4, "Jesus said, take heed that no man deceive you." Verse 24, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets --."

2 Thessalonians 2:2-3, That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by SPIRIT, nor by WORD," "Let no man deceive you by any means: except there come a falling away first,"

[OneJack]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #6]

I speak with the Lord Jesus every day through His Holy Spirit. Where do you think I get all this wonderful information from?

I still remember an old ‘jest’ and an ‘adage’ in my hometown, which say: Neither do take me for ‘a ride in a nutshell’ nor do ‘put the horse before the cart.’ If you were speaking with the Lord, Jesus Himself, real and forever living, would be the one talking to you. He would send you the Holy Spirit afterwards to testify for the Lord, not to speak with you. IMHO - wittingly and unwittingly, your wonderful information, as you claimed, comes only from your mind since you’ve not heard yet from the Lord. I’m sorry to tell you that you’re just bluffing me with your narratives, which tend to override the Lord Jesus Christ, when His communication protocol [with mankind] is at stake. Jesus will surely point you to Himself only, and He will be the one to reveal the truth to you.

This one comment of yours is NUTS! You say, "if you persist to know the Son from the bible alone, otherwise, too many contradictions await you in the pages of the bible."

I’m dead serious and sure of unto myself that you’ll not come to arrive at the truth in knowing the Son, and the Father by and through the pages of the bible, except you come to and call upon the Lord Jesus, who is everything and the real and forever living God of all.

When I read statements like that, several verses come to mind,
Jeremiah 29:8, "Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed."

How can you be deceived when you come to and call upon the Lord Jesus, who is the Truth and Savior of all? If I were you, I would get to know the Lord by and through Himself, who is alive and forever living, instead of getting to know Him by and through the pages of the bible, which will surely draw you away from the Lord.

Matthew 24:4, "Jesus said, take heed that no man deceive you." Verse 24, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets --."

Bear in mind that a false Christ takes people away from Jesus, the Savior of all. Also, false Christ nailed you to the bible and blinded you with its narratives, which draw you away from the Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2:2-3, That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by SPIRIT, nor by WORD," "Let no man deceive you by any means: except there come a falling away first,"

If you want not to be deceived by anyone, come only to and call upon the real and forever living Lord Jesus Christ, and listen to and follow Him only.

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #6]

I speak with the Lord Jesus every day through His Holy Spirit. Where do you think I get all this wonderful information from?

I still remember an old ‘jest’ and an ‘adage’ in my hometown, which say: Neither do take me for ‘a ride in a nutshell’ nor do ‘put the horse before the cart.’ If you were speaking with the Lord, Jesus Himself, real and forever living, would be the one talking to you. He would send you the Holy Spirit afterwards to testify for the Lord, not to speak with you. IMHO - wittingly and unwittingly, your wonderful information, as you claimed, comes only from your mind since you’ve not heard yet from the Lord. I’m sorry to tell you that you’re just bluffing me with your narratives, which tend to override the Lord Jesus Christ, when His communication protocol [with mankind] is at stake. Jesus will surely point you to Himself only, and He will be the one to reveal the truth to you.

This one comment of yours is NUTS! You say, "if you persist to know the Son from the bible alone, otherwise, too many contradictions await you in the pages of the bible."

I’m dead serious and sure of unto myself that you’ll not come to arrive at the truth in knowing the Son, and the Father by and through the pages of the bible, except you come to and call upon the Lord Jesus, who is everything and the real and forever living God of all.

When I read statements like that, several verses come to mind,
Jeremiah 29:8, "Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed."

How can you be deceived when you come to and call upon the Lord Jesus, who is the Truth and Savior of all? If I were you, I would get to know the Lord by and through Himself, who is alive and forever living, instead of getting to know Him by and through the pages of the bible, which will surely draw you away from the Lord.

Matthew 24:4, "Jesus said, take heed that no man deceive you." Verse 24, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets --."

Bear in mind that a false Christ takes people away from Jesus, the Savior of all. Also, false Christ nailed you to the bible and blinded you with its narratives, which draw you away from the Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2:2-3, That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by SPIRIT, nor by WORD," "Let no man deceive you by any means: except there come a falling away first,"

If you want not to be deceived by anyone, come only to and call upon the real and forever living Lord Jesus Christ, and listen to and follow Him only.

OneJack, concerning the following comment of yours, "I still remember an old ‘jest’ and an ‘adage’ in my hometown, which say: Neither do take me for ‘a ride in a nutshell’ nor do ‘put the horse before the cart.’

My response concerns the Horse before the cart. In harness racing, the horse goes before the cart, I know because that was my profession for 28 years. Also, stagecoaches were pulled by a horse, as were covered wagons, plows, etc. If any of these wagons, plows, stagecoaches, or carts were put behind the horse, the adage would come into play, "You're stuck in the mud!"

[OneJack]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #6]

I speak with the Lord Jesus every day through His Holy Spirit. Where do you think I get all this wonderful information from?

I still remember an old ‘jest’ and an ‘adage’ in my hometown, which say: Neither do take me for ‘a ride in a nutshell’ nor do ‘put the horse before the cart.’ If you were speaking with the Lord, Jesus Himself, real and forever living, would be the one talking to you. He would send you the Holy Spirit afterwards to testify for the Lord, not to speak with you. IMHO - wittingly and unwittingly, your wonderful information, as you claimed, comes only from your mind since you’ve not heard yet from the Lord. I’m sorry to tell you that you’re just bluffing me with your narratives, which tend to override the Lord Jesus Christ, when His communication protocol [with mankind] is at stake. Jesus will surely point you to Himself only, and He will be the one to reveal the truth to you.

This one comment of yours is NUTS! You say, "if you persist to know the Son from the bible alone, otherwise, too many contradictions await you in the pages of the bible."

I’m dead serious and sure of unto myself that you’ll not come to arrive at the truth in knowing the Son, and the Father by and through the pages of the bible, except you come to and call upon the Lord Jesus, who is everything and the real and forever living God of all.

When I read statements like that, several verses come to mind,
Jeremiah 29:8, "Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed."

How can you be deceived when you come to and call upon the Lord Jesus, who is the Truth and Savior of all? If I were you, I would get to know the Lord by and through Himself, who is alive and forever living, instead of getting to know Him by and through the pages of the bible, which will surely draw you away from the Lord.

Matthew 24:4, "Jesus said, take heed that no man deceive you." Verse 24, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets --."

Bear in mind that a false Christ takes people away from Jesus, the Savior of all. Also, false Christ nailed you to the bible and blinded you with its narratives, which draw you away from the Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2:2-3, That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by SPIRIT, nor by WORD," "Let no man deceive you by any means: except there come a falling away first,"

If you want not to be deceived by anyone, come only to and call upon the real and forever living Lord Jesus Christ, and listen to and follow Him only.

OneJack, concerning the following comment of yours, "I still remember an old ‘jest’ and an ‘adage’ in my hometown, which say: Neither do take me for ‘a ride in a nutshell’ nor do ‘put the horse before the cart.’

My response concerns the Horse before the cart. In harness racing, the horse goes before the cart, I know because that was my profession for 28 years. Also, stagecoaches were pulled by a horse, as were covered wagons, plows, etc. If any of these wagons, plows, stagecoaches, or carts were put behind the horse, the adage would come into play, "You're stuck in the mud!"

What do these images in the following links tell us about the position of the horses?

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=stagecoach+and+horses https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... bXaJKnek&s


https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=stagecoach+and+horses

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[Replying to placebofactor in post #6]

I speak with the Lord Jesus every day through His Holy Spirit. Where do you think I get all this wonderful information from?

I still remember an old ‘jest’ and an ‘adage’ in my hometown, which say: Neither do take me for ‘a ride in a nutshell’ nor do ‘put the horse before the cart.’ If you were speaking with the Lord, Jesus Himself, real and forever living, would be the one talking to you. He would send you the Holy Spirit afterwards to testify for the Lord, not to speak with you. IMHO - wittingly and unwittingly, your wonderful information, as you claimed, comes only from your mind since you’ve not heard yet from the Lord. I’m sorry to tell you that you’re just bluffing me with your narratives, which tend to override the Lord Jesus Christ, when His communication protocol [with mankind] is at stake. Jesus will surely point you to Himself only, and He will be the one to reveal the truth to you.

This one comment of yours is NUTS! You say, "if you persist to know the Son from the bible alone, otherwise, too many contradictions await you in the pages of the bible."

I’m dead serious and sure of unto myself that you’ll not come to arrive at the truth in knowing the Son, and the Father by and through the pages of the bible, except you come to and call upon the Lord Jesus, who is everything and the real and forever living God of all.

When I read statements like that, several verses come to mind,
Jeremiah 29:8, "Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed."

How can you be deceived when you come to and call upon the Lord Jesus, who is the Truth and Savior of all? If I were you, I would get to know the Lord by and through Himself, who is alive and forever living, instead of getting to know Him by and through the pages of the bible, which will surely draw you away from the Lord.

Matthew 24:4, "Jesus said, take heed that no man deceive you." Verse 24, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets --."

Bear in mind that a false Christ takes people away from Jesus, the Savior of all. Also, false Christ nailed you to the bible and blinded you with its narratives, which draw you away from the Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2:2-3, That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by SPIRIT, nor by WORD," "Let no man deceive you by any means: except there come a falling away first,"

If you want not to be deceived by anyone, come only to and call upon the real and forever living Lord Jesus Christ, and listen to and follow Him only.

OneJack, concerning the following comment of yours, "I still remember an old ‘jest’ and an ‘adage’ in my hometown, which say: Neither do take me for ‘a ride in a nutshell’ nor do ‘put the horse before the cart.’

My response concerns the Horse before the cart. In harness racing, the horse goes before the cart, I know because that was my profession for 28 years. Also, stagecoaches were pulled by a horse, as were covered wagons, plows, etc. If any of these wagons, plows, stagecoaches, or carts were put behind the horse, the adage would come into play, "You're stuck in the mud!"

What do these images in the following links tell us about the position of the horses?

The actions of the horse make no difference; I had the reins, and he had the bit in his mouth. I was in control; he wasn't.

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=stagecoach+and+horses https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... bXaJKnek&s


https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=stagecoach+and+horses

That image brings back many memories for me. 28 years, 4000 races, over 1000 wins. Sixty-hour work weeks, joy, sorrow, gains, and losses. From Marine to Harness Horse trainer and driver, to the last chapter in my life, a loyal follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. Forty-eight words sum up my adult life as I now wait in these last days to hear the words from heaven above, "Phillip, come up hither!"