The consistent events from Jesus' burial to His ascension

[RBD]

Here is the consistent timeline in order from the burial of Jesus, to His ascension 40 days later.

Many women from Galilee follow Joseph and Nicodemus to see Jesus laid in the tomb. Magdalen and the other Mary are specifically mentioned. (John 19) (Mark 15) Afterward that evening, some of the other women go home to prepare spices and ointments for Jesus' body. (Luke 23)

The next day on the high Sabbath, the chief priests go to Pilate for a guard on the tomb. (Matthew 27)

In the night, there's another earthquake, and an angel in appearance as lighting rolls away the stone, making the soldiers become as dead. (Matthew 28) Jesus either resurrects at this time, or any time during the night beforehand. At some time in the night, the guards awaken and depart the empty tomb, to report to the chief priests.

Magdalen comes later in the dark before dawn, and finds the tomb empty. She tells Peter and the other disciple, and they come running to see the tomb empty. They enter to see and depart. (John 20)

Magdalen remains behind and sees two angels in the tomb, and then Jesus Himself alive outside the tomb. She is the first person on earth to see Him after His resurrection. While still dark, she returns again to tell the disciples of His resurrection, and they don't believe it. (John 20) (Mark 16)

Magdalen, the other Mary, Salome, and the other women from Galilee, including Joanna, arrive at the tomb in the morning light. One group arrives with their prepared spices and ointments, while Magdalen's group arrives with bought sweet spices. They find the tomb empty. (Mark 16) (Luke 24)

Magdalen, the other Mary, and Salome are met by the angel that rolled away the stone, and are told to see in the tomb where the Lord had lain. Another angel sitting therein tell them to tell the disciples to go to Galilee to see Jesus. (Matthew 28) (Mark 16) The other women including Joanna enter the tomb and see no one, and while standing outside are met by two more angels, that send them also to the disciples to go to Galilee to meet Jesus. (Luke 24)

All the women depart and en route meet Jesus, and hold His feet in worship. He also sends them all to tell the disciples to meet Him in Galilee. They all then tell the disciples these things, and they don't believe it. (Matthew 28)

Peter runs to the tomb a second time and ponders these things. (Luke 24)

Jesus next appears to Cleopas and another disciple on the road to Emmaus, and later toward evening they recognize Him at table, and He vanishes from their sight. In that hour, they go to the eleven to tell them of Jesus' resurrection. They don't believe it. Luke 24) (Mark 16) Peter has now also seen the Lord Jesus. Paul reports that Jesus also appeared to James at some time.

At evening, Jesus now first appears to the disciples with the others in the their midst, and shows He is indeed resurrected bodily from the dead, and not only a spirit, by showing His hands and side, and eats some fish. Thomas is not with them. (Luke 24) (John 20)

8 days later, He appears to the eleven with Thomas as they sat at meat, and upbraids them for their unbelief, and also challenges Thomas to insert His fingers into his hands, and his hand into Jesus' side. (Mark 16) (John 20)

Afterward on another day, Peter goes a fishin' at the sea of Galilee with 6 other disciples, including Thomas, Nathanael, the sons of thunder, and 2 other disciples. For the third time after His resurrection, Jesus meets His disciples on the Galilee shore with food on a fire. They all know Him. (John 21)

Afterward on another day, all the disciples meet Jesus at the Galilee mount, that He had appointed them, and worshipped Him. Some doubted what to do. (Matthew 28)

On the 40th day after His resurrection, He leads all the disciples and many others to Bethany on Mt Olivet. (Luke 24) (Acts 1) There He gives His great commission with promise of the Holy Ghost, and ascends to heaven to be recieved up in a cloud. The disciples remain standing and looking upward for Jesus, until two angels come to remind them to go to Jerusalem, and wait for the promise of the Father.

These are a consistent order of events from the 4 gospels and Acts 1.

Paul confirms Peter saw the Lord first before the other apostles, on the evening of the first day of His resurrection, and that above 500 saw Him during the 40 days after. He was also seen by James after the evening of the first day, either before His second appearance to them on the 8th day, or afterward before the sea of Galilee for the third time.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #101]

The record does say Magdalene with at the tomb in the dark before morning light. If you have a record of anyone else being with her, then quote it.

Going back to Mark, if you have a record of Magdalene withholding a previous trip to the tomb from the other women, then quote that.

By not quoting Magdalene telling of her previous trip, she likely withheld it.

In any case, her visit at dark before coming again with women at dawn, clears up inconsistencies, if she had first come at dawn.

By someone looking for fault, not accepting this simple overlooked detail of record, only proves how important it is to clear the inconsistencies.

[RBD]

QUESTION When did the women arrive at the tomb?

• The women setting out in the pre-dawn darkness and arriving at the tomb just as the sun was rising well harmonize the various accounts.

Matthew reports the episode as happening : "when it was growing light" (28:1 NWT) obviously implying it was growing light from darkness; so if they started out in darkness and finished in the increasing light of the early morning, this would harmonize with Mark who places event : "very early in the morning . . . at the rising of the sun" (16:2, KJV). Luke similarly says "very early in the morning" (24:1, KJV) "at early dawn" (NRSV)


# But does John not state the women ARRIVED at the tomb while it was still dark?

No. Only Magdalene.

Jhn 20:1
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

While in English "came" and "arrived" in the simple past tense can be synonyms (she came at 5am /she arrived at 5am), even in the english, the shift to present tenses (she is coming/she comes) refers to the motion or movement towards a destination which has yet to be completed. Notice now how the Greek literally reads:

Word play is a last resort to change the simple meaning of a verse, that any child can understand.

Magdalene came to the sepulcher while still dark and say the stone taken way. Simple.

"To the but one [day] of the Sabbath Mary the Magdalene is coming (Greek erchomai) early of darkness yet being into the memorial tomb"

This is forced gobbledygook.

Simple context is while yet dark, and Magdalene alone. The only question is why it's been so overlooked, when it clears up supposed inconsistencies later at dawn? Attention to detail.

QUESTION Is it dark at dawn?

Does a tree make a sound, if no one hears it fall?

1 Tim 6:3… doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,


You're two for two.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #111]

Going back to Mark, if you have a record of Magdalene withholding a previous trip to the tomb from the other women, then quote that.

By not quoting Magdalene telling of her previous trip, she likely withheld it.

That's confirmation bias.

By someone looking for fault, not accepting this simple overlooked detail of record, only proves how important it is to clear the inconsistencies.

Your dismissal of inconsistency as a "simple overlooked detail" doesn't make it such.

"Yet even then their testimony did not agree."
(Mark 14:59)

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #107]

John's the one that puts Magdalene at the tomb in the dark before dawn. All accounts of her with other women are later in the early morning dawn.

Mark's the one who has Magdalene among other women asking who will open the tomb for them, and there is no account of Magdalene withholding information from the others about finding the tomb open earlier.

[William]

[Replying to RBD in post #107]

John's the one that puts Magdalene at the tomb in the dark before dawn. All accounts of her with other women are later in the early morning dawn.

Mark's the one who has Magdalene among other women asking who will open the tomb for them, and there is no account of Magdalene withholding information from the others about finding the tomb open earlier.

THat is true but is it consequential?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to William in post #115]

Mark's the one who has Magdalene among other women asking who will open the tomb for them, and there is no account of Magdalene withholding information from the others about finding the tomb open earlier.

THat is true but is it consequential?

Yes. If it happened then it should be included somewhere in the narrative, especially if the narrative is clearly inconsistent without it.

[William]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #116]

There is no account in Mark that Mary Magdalene found the tomb empty earlier than the others and withheld that information. In Mark's narrative, the women arrive together and experience the discovery collectively.

The idea of Mary Magdalene running ahead or having separate knowledge seems to stem from John 20, where Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb alone while it is still dark, finds it empty, and runs to tell Peter and John before returning with them. Mark does not include this detail, portraying a single, collective visit by the women.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #116]

There is no account in Mark that Mary Magdalene found the tomb empty earlier than the others and withheld that information. In Mark's narrative, the women arrive together and experience the discovery collectively.

There is no account anywhere of MM finding the tomb open and later withholding that information from others.

[William]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #116]

There is no account in Mark that Mary Magdalene found the tomb empty earlier than the others and withheld that information. In Mark's narrative, the women arrive together and experience the discovery collectively.

There is no account anywhere of MM finding the tomb open and later withholding that information from others.

Nor ought we think that there should be such an account. The inference to that is if we take all accounts as true, then yes - we can deduce that MM visited the tomb in the night, and from her encounter, she went off to report what she had experienced to Peter.

Later, that same night /early in the morning, she is reported to be with a group of women heading for the tomb (fir MM the second time in the space of a couple of hours or so) to anoint the body...so barring the notion that in those few hours Mary M forgot her first experience, we can deduce that she kept that information from the other women.

[otseng]

Ok, so now you're resorting to lying.
Your web of deceit already tangled so fast?

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