Justice

[POI]

“restoring right relationships and making wrong things right”

For Debate: What is god’s version of justice?

The quote above is what one person might think it is? Is he right? Is he wrong? Is he partially right, but maybe lacking or missing other key components? Other?

[1213]

For Debate: What is god’s version of justice?

I believe it is this:

For the Son of man is about to come with His angels in the glory of His Father. And then "He will give reward to each according to his actions."
Matt. 16:27
Don't be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that will he also reap.
Gal. 6:7

[The Tanager]

[Replying to POI in post #1]

Do you have any thoughts on this, POI?

[POI]

[Replying to The Tanager in post #3]

Sure... Does an (absolute/objective/other) definition of 'justice' exist? Is it the exact same definition as the one you already provided? If not, what it is? If there is instead no such (absolute/objective/other) definition, then why <should/ought> anyone care what the Bible God's version of 'justice' is?

EDIT: FY, I'm going to be completely off the grid for over a week. I'll address when I get back. TY!

[The Tanager]

[Replying to POI in post #4]

There are various objective concepts that people use the term ‘justice’ for. In other words, there are various objective definitions of ‘justice’ that pick out different concepts. We do this quite a bit with terms in the English language.

As to why anyone should care about God’s version of justice, this would go right back to the morality discussion we just had in the other thread. We were designed to find fulfillment through caring by God and finding fulfillment is the best thing we could do.

[POI]

There are various objective concepts that people use the term ‘justice’ for. In other words, there are various objective definitions of ‘justice’ that pick out different concepts. We do this quite a bit with terms in the English language

Does the Bible god agree with all of these (yet-to-be) unidentified objective concepts of the term 'justice'? And can we start going through what these other (yet-to-be) unidentified concepts of 'justice' are?

As to why anyone should care about God’s version of justice, this would go right back to the morality discussion we just had in the other thread. We were designed to find fulfillment through caring by God and finding fulfillment is the best thing we could do.

To the bold, this is an additional claim. If you can provide enough evidence to support this claim, then I too will convert to your belief system, which will then immediately cause me to <flip/shift> away from my fundamental position of skepticism, and instead immediately start trying to make sense of these actions pertaining to this claimed invisible sky god.

[The Tanager]

[Replying to POI in post #6]

Does the Bible god agree with all of these (yet-to-be) unidentified objective concepts of the term 'justice'? And can we start going through what these other (yet-to-be) unidentified concepts of 'justice' are?

My guess would be that He probably agrees with some and not others as proper definitions of justice. Identify as many as you want and I’ll share my thoughts on them.

To the bold, this is an additional claim. If you can provide enough evidence to support this claim, then I too will convert to your belief system, which will then immediately cause me to <flip/shift> away from my fundamental position of skepticism, and instead immediately start trying to make sense of these actions pertaining to this claimed invisible sky god.

An additional claim to what?

[AquinasForGod]

“restoring right relationships and making wrong things right”

For Debate: What is god’s version of justice?

The quote above is what one person might think it is? Is he right? Is he wrong? Is he partially right, but maybe lacking or missing other key components? Other?

Justice in God is God giving to each thing what is fitting according to its nature and order.

What Tanager said is closer to mercy in God, which is God relieving deficiency or lack.
So whenever something is lacking or broken, God is the source of its restoration or goodness.

[POI]

My guess would be that He probably agrees with some and not others as proper definitions of justice. Identify as many as you want and I’ll share my thoughts on them.

Let's start here...

God has been said to order punishment to individual(s) who did not commit the actual sighted offense. Is this actual justice?

Is ordering the slaughter of infants considered justice?

Is ordering death, based upon crappy evidence, justice?

Is 'ordering' the rapist to marry his victim justice for the rape victim?

I'll stop here...

[POI]

[Replying to AquinasForGod in post #8]

Then you can field the exact same questions posed to The Tanager.

God has been said to order punishment to individual(s) who did not commit the actual sighted offense. Is this actual justice?

Is ordering the slaughter of infants considered justice?

Is ordering death, based upon crappy evidence, justice?

Is 'ordering' the rapist to marry his victim justice for the rape victim?