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The Shortest Way To The Truth

There are two important things about knowing God and the way to the salvation of our souls that we have to consider to keep ourselves away from deceptions, to wit:

1. Neither the bible nor John, Luke, Matthew, Paul, and the rest of the apostles is God.

2. Jesus is Immanuel, who is always beside us all the time. He is in a 24/7 watch mode for us who will come to Him and call on Him for the salvation of our souls.

Why do we have to be so obsessed with biblical accounts that we treat them as if they were the only source of truth about God and the salvation of our souls when Jesus is with us always, though we do not see Him yet? He can surely bring us to the truth if we come to Him and call on Him in the right way. Jesus, real and forever living God, is the only way to the truth about God and our salvation.

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OneJack wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 6:30 am
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OneJack wrote: Fri Feb 06, 2026 12:41 am The Shortest Way To The Truth

There are two important things about knowing God and the way to the salvation of our souls that we have to consider to keep ourselves away from deceptions, to wit:

1. Neither the bible nor John, Luke, Matthew, Paul, and the rest of the apostles is God.

2. Jesus is Immanuel, who is always beside us all the time. He is in a 24/7 watch mode for us who will come to Him and call on Him for the salvation of our souls.

Why do we have to be so obsessed with biblical accounts that we treat them as if they were the only source of truth about God and the salvation of our souls when Jesus is with us always, though we do not see Him yet? He can surely bring us to the truth if we come to Him and call on Him in the right way. Jesus, real and forever living God, is the only way to the truth about God and our salvation.
Regarding our salvation and Jesus as Immanuel and also as to why Jesus has the name Jesus,

Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

Acts 2: 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which GOD DID by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

John 5: 30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

WHO was SENT and WHEN?

We read in Luke 4 Jesus quoting Isaiah 61 "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; HE HAS SENT ME to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

John 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. 44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Immanuel = "God with us" or "with us is God"
Jesus = "Jehovah is salvation"

YHVH our God is with us through His Spirit living in the promised son of David, the human given the name of Jesus.

This promised son of David is given the name Jesus because YHVH through this man brings forth our salvation.


Romans 5:15-21 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Ephesians 5:9 For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness and truth.

Isaiah 42: Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

YHVH our Creator brought forth our salvation through calling the son of David to righteousness, through resting His Spirit upon him without measure. By this man's righteousness we have been saved. Jesus is proof of the power and influence YHVH's Spirit has on a man, it truly causes righteousness. We are justified through this man. "Where the Spirit IS, there IS LIFE BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS and now we are promised to be raised from the dead and given the Spirit to the cause of our righteousness, to which also brings us into eternal life. This is why Jesus said that we would be baptized with his same baptism and that we would drink of the same cup he drinks of, but to sit at his right or left is up to the Father. Paul tells us we are to drink of the One Spirit. This is why Jesus said that a man must be born of the Spirit to enter into God's kingdom. Jesus we are told in Acts was raised from the dead and he received the Promised Spirit and he entered into God's kingdom and was exalted to His right hand. We are Promised this same Spirit and to enter into God's kingdom, such is the Good News!

The way to salvation is believing in he whom God sent.

God sent a Son of Man upon having called him to righteousness, upon having rested His Spirit upon him.

God sent a son of David upon having made him into His own Son, for those who are righteous are Sons of God and those who are led by the Spirit of God are Sons of God.

God sent the man to whom he anointed of the Spirit to do His works and speak His Words, to be for a LIGHT and fulfill YHVH's covenant.

The Good News is the Promised Spirit, to which is The Word of Life, "for the Spirit is Life because of Righteousness" and it has been Promised for mankind to receive since before the world was! YHVH our God and Creator made us in His own image, He made us vessels to acquire all the fruits of His Spirit. Jesus received it at the river Jordan becoming an only begotten Son, the only mortal man to receive the Spirit not by measure, and then he received it upon rising from the dead where he became a firstborn of many brethren, for we are Promised to receive it upon his return.
The phrase, ‘The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me,’ is related to the declaration of the Son of God in John 14:10-11. The Spirit, and Life that was in the Son of God was the Father, the Almighty God whose name is Jesus. Since Jesus is the Savior, we have nowhere to look and go for our salvation [to come to us] but Jesus alone.
What? You are making no sense, as it sounds like you are saying that Jesus is his own father.

The Almighty God is YHVH our Creator, Jesus's God and Father and our God and Father.

Jesus is the Promised son of David, he is the Word of YHVH made true in the flesh, YHVH's Word from before the world began that was spoken by the prophet Isaiah. Jesus is our brother, he is our master and king. We are joint heirs with him being heirs of God (Romans 8).


Isaiah 42:1-8 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Jesus is the LIGHT, formed through YHVH having called him to righteousness, formed through YHVH resting His Spirit upon him without measure.

Jesus as that LIGHT is an everlasting father,

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Matthew 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Isaiah 9:2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. 3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. 4 For thou hast broken the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, as in the day of Midian. 5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire. 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Isaiah 44:23 Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel. 24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; 25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish; 26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof

Isaiah 45:11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts. ... 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. 20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save. 21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. 25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

Isaiah 11: 1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. 10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father THE PROMISE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

1 Chronicles 17- YHVH our God Promised to take a son of David and make him into His own Son, not take a Son of God and make him into a son of David. YHVH also Promised to settle this Son of Man into His House and give him an Eternal Throne.

Isaiah 42-YHVH our Creator Promised to take the Promised son of David rest His Spirit upon him and call him to righteousness for to fulfill His covenant and be for a LIGHT

1 John 1-those who are righteous have been born of God

Romans 8- the image of a Son of God is one who is led by the Spirit of God

Ephesians 5:9- For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness and truth

Romans 5:15-21 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

We are saved through the righteousness and obedience of ONE MAN, who was and is righteous through the Spirit of YHVH that lives in him. YHVH is our savior through His Work in this man.

YHVH’s Spirit came to dwell in Jesus of Nazareth, the Promised son of David. Jesus through that Spirit was anointed to be sent out into the world to do YHVH's Works. Jesus was the only mortal man to have been begotten of YHVH’s Spirit without measure, filled with the Spirt of Wisdom, the Spirit of Understanding, the Spirit of Council and Might, the Spirit of Knowledge and Fear of YHVH, THUS MOST CERTAINLY FILLED WITH GRACE AND TRUTH! This is LITERALLY YHVH’s WORD having been made true in the flesh of Jesus (John 1:14), it was a work that YHVH our Creator had declared before the world began. The people beheld the glory of Jesus because of the WORKS he did through YHVH’s Spirit to which Jesus did in YHVH’s name because he was following YHVH’s Will and not his own. YHVH is our savior through the anointed Jesus.

YHVH our Father, who ALONE created all things, did so by reason of and for The Promised Son of David. This Son of Man YHVH Promised to make into His own Son, He Promised to rest His Spirit upon him and call him to righteousness, He Promised to send him out into the world to fulfill His covenant, bring forth salvation and righteousness for all of mankind. This Promised Son of David was Promised to be raised from the dead where upon having risen from the dead his body was made immortal and he received The Promised Spirit. This Promised Son of David was exalted to YHVH's our Father's right hand. This Son of Man is returning in the glory of our Father where he through YHVH's Spirit living in him will judge the world and reward his followers with the Promised Spirit and Eternal Life.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 11:57 am
OneJack wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 4:38 am
JW wrote:2. Did he provide with an exhaustive list? If not why not?
No, they are not essential and needed for our salvation and eternal life.
Please show me the exact words that stated that the rest of the bible is "not essential and needed for our salvation"
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“Tandaan ninyo na ang buhay na walang hanggan at ang inyong kaligtasan ay nasa Aking mga kamay. Kung gusto ninyong maligtas, halikayo’t lumapit sa Akin. Kung gusto ninyo ng buhay na walang hanggan, halikayo’t magsitawag sa Akin. Ako’y inyong pagkatiwalaan sapagka’t pag hindi ninyo nagawa ang bagay na ito ay wala kayong kaligtasan at buhay na walang hanggan. Wala kayong pupuntahan kundi kapahamakan at kahirapan.”

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OneJack wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2026 8:48 pm Sabi ng Panginoong Dios na si Jesucristo:

“Tandaan ninyo na ang buhay na walang hanggan at ang inyong kaligtasan ay nasa Aking mga kamay. Kung gusto ninyong maligtas, halikayo’t lumapit sa Akin. Kung gusto ninyo ng buhay na walang hanggan, halikayo’t magsitawag sa Akin. Ako’y inyong pagkatiwalaan sapagka’t pag hindi ninyo nagawa ang bagay na ito ay wala kayong kaligtasan at buhay na walang hanggan. Wala kayong pupuntahan kundi kapahamakan at kahirapan.”
TRANSLATION ->
he Lord God, Jesus Christ, said:

“Remember that eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and come to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call on Me. Trust Me because if you do not do this, you will not have salvation and eternal life. You will go nowhere but destruction and misery.”
The above makes no mention of scripture

You said they [the rest of the bible] quote "are not essential and needed for our salvation and eternal life." are they YOUR words or God's words. Your words are not God, we don't worship your words, your words do not save. If they are God's words, show me the exact words that state that the rest of the bible is not "not essential and needed for our salvation"
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 11:57 am
OneJack wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 4:38 am
JW wrote:2. Did he provide with an exhaustive list? If not why not?
No, they are not essential and needed for our salvation and eternal life.
Please show me the exact words that stated that the rest of the bible is "not essential and needed for our salvation"
Don't explain like a Pastor or a Priest just quote what "the spirit" said about the bible.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 1:40 am
OneJack wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2026 8:48 pm Sabi ng Panginoong Dios na si Jesucristo:

“Tandaan ninyo na ang buhay na walang hanggan at ang inyong kaligtasan ay nasa Aking mga kamay. Kung gusto ninyong maligtas, halikayo’t lumapit sa Akin. Kung gusto ninyo ng buhay na walang hanggan, halikayo’t magsitawag sa Akin. Ako’y inyong pagkatiwalaan sapagka’t pag hindi ninyo nagawa ang bagay na ito ay wala kayong kaligtasan at buhay na walang hanggan. Wala kayong pupuntahan kundi kapahamakan at kahirapan.”
TRANSLATION ->
he Lord God, Jesus Christ, said:

“Remember that eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and come to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call on Me. Trust Me because if you do not do this, you will not have salvation and eternal life. You will go nowhere but destruction and misery.”
The above makes no mention of scripture

You said they [the rest of the bible] quote "are not essential and needed for our salvation and eternal life." are they YOUR words or God's words. Your words are not God, we don't worship your words, your words do not save. If they are God's words, show me the exact words that state that the rest of the bible is not "not essential and needed for our salvation"

The conditions set forth by the Lord to be saved and to have eternal life are the following:

1. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me.

2. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me.

3. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.


Use your wisdom to see what you want me to spoon-feed you in this regard.
OneJack wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 4:38 am
JW wrote:2. Did he provide with an exhaustive list? If not why not?
No, they are not essential and needed for our salvation and eternal life.
Jehovah’witnesses wrote:Please show me the exact words that stated that the rest of the bible is "not essential and needed for our salvation"

Don't explain like a Pastor or a Priest just quote what "the spirit" said about the bible.
See my answers above. If I give you the exact words of the Lord regarding the Bible, in this context, I’ll be thrown out of the court instantly by the authorities concerned.

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OneJack wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 6:48 am
Use your wisdom to see what you want me to spoon-feed you in this regard.
I dont want you to "spoon-feed" I want you to quote what you were told by Almighty God specifically about scripture (preferably with the word "scripture" in the sentence)...I'm not interested in your conclusion that all the other scriptures not mentioned by your spirit "Jesus" are not from God or faulty, I want to hear that from him.
You implied that this spirit "verified" parts of the bible canon, there are over 3000 versed in the bible so I am asking for the complete verification
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Of course you can admit, "he never told us which verses were not from God or faulty" and which were accurate ...that's fine , we can figure that our ourselves, but in that case I will have to ask you how you verified the verses not refered to by your spirit Jesus and upon what basis do you dismiss them as not originating from God or originating from God but faulty or corrupted?
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OneJack wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 6:48 am. If I give you the exact words of the Lord regarding the Bible, in this context, I’ll be thrown out of the court instantly by the authorities concerned.
Please enlarge on this...

1. What is the "court" you refer to above? And who are its "authorities"?

2. How would you be "thrown out" of said court?

3. What is the nature of the "exact words" of your Lord so as to evoke such a reaction?


Are you perhaps using a translation tool as the above is somewhat of a confusing read ....
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OneJack wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 6:48 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 1:40 am
OneJack wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2026 8:48 pm Sabi ng Panginoong Dios na si Jesucristo:

“Tandaan ninyo na ang buhay na walang hanggan at ang inyong kaligtasan ay nasa Aking mga kamay. Kung gusto ninyong maligtas, halikayo’t lumapit sa Akin. Kung gusto ninyo ng buhay na walang hanggan, halikayo’t magsitawag sa Akin. Ako’y inyong pagkatiwalaan sapagka’t pag hindi ninyo nagawa ang bagay na ito ay wala kayong kaligtasan at buhay na walang hanggan. Wala kayong pupuntahan kundi kapahamakan at kahirapan.”
TRANSLATION ->
he Lord God, Jesus Christ, said:

“Remember that eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and come to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call on Me. Trust Me because if you do not do this, you will not have salvation and eternal life. You will go nowhere but destruction and misery.”
The above makes no mention of scripture

You said they [the rest of the bible] quote "are not essential and needed for our salvation and eternal life." are they YOUR words or God's words. Your words are not God, we don't worship your words, your words do not save. If they are God's words, show me the exact words that state that the rest of the bible is not "not essential and needed for our salvation"

The conditions set forth by the Lord to be saved and to have eternal life are the following:

1. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me.

2. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me.

3. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.


Use your wisdom to see what you want me to spoon-feed you in this regard.
OneJack wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 4:38 am
JW wrote:2. Did he provide with an exhaustive list? If not why not?
No, they are not essential and needed for our salvation and eternal life.
Jehovah’witnesses wrote:Please show me the exact words that stated that the rest of the bible is "not essential and needed for our salvation"

Don't explain like a Pastor or a Priest just quote what "the spirit" said about the bible.
See my answers above. If I give you the exact words of the Lord regarding the Bible, in this context, I’ll be thrown out of the court instantly by the authorities concerned.
OneJack, you skipped again my Post#148. Why?

You state, "Paul knew that, hence, he didn’t baptize in his ministry."

But apostle Paul had baptized the household of Stephanas, would you accept that you missed to read 1Cor 1:16?

1Co 1:16 Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 6:39 pm
OneJack wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 6:48 am. If I give you the exact words of the Lord regarding the Bible, in this context, I’ll be thrown out of the court instantly by the authorities concerned.
Please enlarge on this...

1. What is the "court" you refer to above? And who are its "authorities"?

2. How would you be "thrown out" of said court?

3. What is the nature of the "exact words" of your Lord so as to evoke such a reaction?


Are you perhaps using a translation tool as the above is somewhat of a confusing read ....
It’s against the rule of this forum. What exactly is confusing to read in my post?

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Capbook wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2026 12:43 am
OneJack wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 6:48 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 1:40 am
OneJack wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2026 8:48 pm Sabi ng Panginoong Dios na si Jesucristo:

“Tandaan ninyo na ang buhay na walang hanggan at ang inyong kaligtasan ay nasa Aking mga kamay. Kung gusto ninyong maligtas, halikayo’t lumapit sa Akin. Kung gusto ninyo ng buhay na walang hanggan, halikayo’t magsitawag sa Akin. Ako’y inyong pagkatiwalaan sapagka’t pag hindi ninyo nagawa ang bagay na ito ay wala kayong kaligtasan at buhay na walang hanggan. Wala kayong pupuntahan kundi kapahamakan at kahirapan.”
TRANSLATION ->
he Lord God, Jesus Christ, said:

“Remember that eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and come to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call on Me. Trust Me because if you do not do this, you will not have salvation and eternal life. You will go nowhere but destruction and misery.”
The above makes no mention of scripture

You said they [the rest of the bible] quote "are not essential and needed for our salvation and eternal life." are they YOUR words or God's words. Your words are not God, we don't worship your words, your words do not save. If they are God's words, show me the exact words that state that the rest of the bible is not "not essential and needed for our salvation"

The conditions set forth by the Lord to be saved and to have eternal life are the following:

1. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me.

2. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me.

3. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.


Use your wisdom to see what you want me to spoon-feed you in this regard.
OneJack wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2026 4:38 am
JW wrote:2. Did he provide with an exhaustive list? If not why not?
No, they are not essential and needed for our salvation and eternal life.
Jehovah’witnesses wrote:Please show me the exact words that stated that the rest of the bible is "not essential and needed for our salvation"

Don't explain like a Pastor or a Priest just quote what "the spirit" said about the bible.
See my answers above. If I give you the exact words of the Lord regarding the Bible, in this context, I’ll be thrown out of the court instantly by the authorities concerned.
OneJack, you skipped again my Post#148. Why?

You state, "Paul knew that, hence, he didn’t baptize in his ministry."

But apostle Paul had baptized the household of Stephanas, would you accept that you missed to read 1Cor 1:16?

1Co 1:16 Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other.
Paul was not sent to baptize, that’s what he said.

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Re: The Shortest Way To The Truth

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OneJack wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2026 1:46 am It’s against the rule of this forum. What exactly is confusing to read in my post?
To my knowledge quoting from the words of Jesus are not against the rules of this forum, please go ahead and say what your spirit said about the bible, unless it includes vulgarity, encouragement to inflict violence on children or some such notion there can certainly be nothing that would violate the forum rules in the word of a pure a living God.
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