Was Jesus seen?

[Tcg]

According to the authoritative Bible, was Jesus seen by individuals both before and after the resurrection?


Tcg

[OneJack]

[Replying to tam in post #49]

In other words - please correct me if I am misunderstanding you - you don't think the Son of God is the actual SON of God. As in - God's ACTUAL and LITERAL Son.

No, the Son is not God's actual and literal Son because God created him (Son) through the Holy Spirit, who overshadowed Mary.

He's just some guy whose body got used as a vessel. Is that it?

Absolutely, the Son was the physical vessel of God, whose name is Jesus, in His incarnation.

As for the other thing:

The Son of God is the Christ.

Christ is the Messiah, the Savior, whose name is Jesus, or Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father.

Christ confirms that Himself.

“Who do you say I am?”

Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

[Jesus] replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.

And this might not be Christ speaking, but it is the disciple whom Christ loved:

True, Peter is not Christ; he knew Christ through the Son of God. This doesn't mean that Jesus was the man to whom Peter uttered those words.

but these are written so that you may believe that [Jesus] is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Take note of the phrase, 'and that by believing you may have life in his name,' the name that the Father commanded to call unto the name of the Son - Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus. The name that the Son carried with him is the name of the Almighty God.

The apostles all speak the same. You claim, however, that the apostles themselves were confused. Even the one whom Christ loved. And Christ never corrected them.

How do you know Christ never corrected them when not all that the Lord uttered were commanded by Him to be written? I'm sure the Lord cautioned them not to err in treating the man born of Mary as the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Almighty God, as He did to us.

Christ also confirms it in the book of Revelation - "These are the words of the Son of God."

The Lord Jesus was talking to John, who knew Him through the Son of God, hence His statement, as you mentioned.

One thing I think we can both agree on - you are not listening to the Son of God (especially not when you say that the Son of God is dead.)

Yes, indeed! We're not listening to the Son of God, whose body is resting together with the body of Moses in a place where the Ark of the Covenant is hidden; the real and forever living Lord Jesus Christ is the one to whom we have heard and learned all these things that I'm sharing with you in this forum. He (Jesus Christ) is the Almighty God who dwelt in the Son of God during His incarnation.

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #49]

In other words - please correct me if I am misunderstanding you - you don't think the Son of God is the actual SON of God. As in - God's ACTUAL and LITERAL Son.

No, the Son is not God's actual and literal Son because God created him (Son) through the Holy Spirit, who overshadowed Mary.

He's just some guy whose body got used as a vessel. Is that it?

Absolutely, the Son was the physical vessel of God, whose name is Jesus, in His incarnation.

Yes, this is what I thought you meant when you wrote 'per se'. Where "per se" to you means "not really."

But this is what God says:

This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him. Matt 17:5


God is not the One who is confused. God, Himself, calls Christ His Son. His BELOVED Son at that. Yet you (or the spirit you are listening to) denigrate the Son to a mere physical vessel for the Father, as if the Son is not His own person, His own spirit. As if He did not willingly suffer and give His life for us out of LOVE for His Father as well as out of love for us.

Christ Jaheshua is the BELOVED Son of God. The One to whom God gave all authority in heaven and on earth (except over the Father Himself of course - which the Son would never attempt to exert anyway because He loves His Father and always does what pleases His Father.)

**

And here are words that Christ spoke AFTER His resurrection and ascension (all from Revelation):

To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father.

The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.

I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Not only does Christ call God, His Father, (and Christ is not a liar; Christ is the Truth), He is clearly speaking of Himself and His Father as two persons.

As for the other thing:

The Son of God is the Christ.

Christ is the Messiah, the Savior, whose name is Jesus, or Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father.

Christ (Jaheshua) is also the Son of God:

Christ confirms that Himself.

“Who do you say I am?”

Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

[Jesus] replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.

And this might not be Christ speaking, but it is the disciple whom Christ loved:

True, Peter is not Christ; he knew Christ through the Son of God. This doesn't mean that Jesus was the man to whom Peter uttered those words.

No... He knew Christ AS the Son of God. Those are the words that Christ both confirms AND STATES were revealed by His Father to Peter.

You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

but these are written so that you may believe that [Jesus] is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Take note of the phrase, 'and that by believing you may have life in his name,' the name that the Father commanded to call unto the name of the Son - Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus. The name that the Son carried with him is the name of the Almighty God.

Take note that the disciple Christ loved says that [Jesus] is the Christ, the Son of God.

The apostles all speak the same. You claim, however, that the apostles themselves were confused. Even the one whom Christ loved. And Christ never corrected them.

How do you know Christ never corrected them when not all that the Lord uttered were commanded by Him to be written? I'm sure the Lord cautioned them not to err in treating the man born of Mary as the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Almighty God, as He did to us.

A - He did not correct them because there was NO error. The error belongs to you and/or whoever taught you that Christ is not the Son of God.

B - If Christ did correct them - as you claim - why did Christ continue to call Himself the Son of God (after his death and resurrection and ascension) to John, in Revelation - confusing John and all the people who were supposed to read those words? Do you really think Christ did that? Do you really think God is the author of confusion?

C - Why would Christ have taught them incorrectly in the first place?

Christ also confirms it in the book of Revelation - "These are the words of the Son of God."

The Lord Jesus was talking to John, who knew Him through the Son of God, hence His statement, as you mentioned.

No - John knew Him AS the Son of God.

One thing I think we can both agree on - you are not listening to the Son of God (especially not when you say that the Son of God is dead.)

Yes, indeed! We're not listening to the Son of God,

Exactly.

This is one of those statements that people look back on one day and wonder "What in the WORLD was I thinking!??!!"

"This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."


May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear so as to hear the truth of this matter from the One who IS the Truth. May anyone who thirsts, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"

(which water is holy spirit, poured out from Christ Jaheshua, given to Him without end by His Father)


Peace again,
servant to the Household of God and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[OneJack]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #49]

In other words - please correct me if I am misunderstanding you - you don't think the Son of God is the actual SON of God. As in - God's ACTUAL and LITERAL Son.

No, the Son is not God's actual and literal Son because God created him (Son) through the Holy Spirit, who overshadowed Mary.

He's just some guy whose body got used as a vessel. Is that it?

Absolutely, the Son was the physical vessel of God, whose name is Jesus, in His incarnation.

Yes, this is what I thought you meant when you wrote 'per se'. Where "per se" to you means "not really."

But this is what God says:

This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him. Matt 17:5


God is not the One who is confused. God, Himself, calls Christ His Son. His BELOVED Son at that. Yet you (or the spirit you are listening to) denigrate the Son to a mere physical vessel for the Father, as if the Son is not His own person, His own spirit. As if He did not willingly suffer and give His life for us out of LOVE for His Father as well as out of love for us.

Christ Jaheshua is the BELOVED Son of God. The One to whom God gave all authority in heaven and on earth (except over the Father Himself of course - which the Son would never attempt to exert anyway because He loves His Father and always does what pleases His Father.)

**

And here are words that Christ spoke AFTER His resurrection and ascension (all from Revelation):

To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father.

The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.

I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Not only does Christ call God, His Father, (and Christ is not a liar; Christ is the Truth), He is clearly speaking of Himself and His Father as two persons.

As for the other thing:

The Son of God is the Christ.

Christ is the Messiah, the Savior, whose name is Jesus, or Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father.

Christ (Jaheshua) is also the Son of God:

Christ confirms that Himself.

“Who do you say I am?”

Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

[Jesus] replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.

And this might not be Christ speaking, but it is the disciple whom Christ loved:

True, Peter is not Christ; he knew Christ through the Son of God. This doesn't mean that Jesus was the man to whom Peter uttered those words.

No... He knew Christ AS the Son of God. Those are the words that Christ both confirms AND STATES were revealed by His Father to Peter.

You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

but these are written so that you may believe that [Jesus] is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Take note of the phrase, 'and that by believing you may have life in his name,' the name that the Father commanded to call unto the name of the Son - Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus. The name that the Son carried with him is the name of the Almighty God.

Take note that the disciple Christ loved says that [Jesus] is the Christ, the Son of God.

The apostles all speak the same. You claim, however, that the apostles themselves were confused. Even the one whom Christ loved. And Christ never corrected them.

How do you know Christ never corrected them when not all that the Lord uttered were commanded by Him to be written? I'm sure the Lord cautioned them not to err in treating the man born of Mary as the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Almighty God, as He did to us.

A - He did not correct them because there was NO error. The error belongs to you and/or whoever taught you that Christ is not the Son of God.

B - If Christ did correct them - as you claim - why did Christ continue to call Himself the Son of God (after his death and resurrection and ascension) to John, in Revelation - confusing John and all the people who were supposed to read those words? Do you really think Christ did that? Do you really think God is the author of confusion?

C - Why would Christ have taught them incorrectly in the first place?

Christ also confirms it in the book of Revelation - "These are the words of the Son of God."

The Lord Jesus was talking to John, who knew Him through the Son of God, hence His statement, as you mentioned.

No - John knew Him AS the Son of God.

One thing I think we can both agree on - you are not listening to the Son of God (especially not when you say that the Son of God is dead.)

Yes, indeed! We're not listening to the Son of God,

Exactly.

This is one of those statements that people look back on one day and wonder "What in the WORLD was I thinking!??!!"

"This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."


May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear so as to hear the truth of this matter from the One who IS the Truth. May anyone who thirsts, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"

(which water is holy spirit, poured out from Christ Jaheshua, given to Him without end by His Father)


Peace again,
servant to the Household of God and a slave of Christ,
tammy

You're just expressing your opinion on biblical passages, which may be true or not be true at all.

[Capbook]

No, Capbook! The Son of God, per se, was the one seen, not the Spirit and Life that was in him, who is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Almighty God.


Jesus, per se, or Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father is the name of the Almighty God. The Son was the man who served as the physical vessel of God in His incarnation.

Why this verse states "Jesus" was found alone, not the Son of God supposedly written or mentioned to prove you're correct?
As you quote Bible verses OneJack, do you agree or dis-agree with what you quote?

Luk 9:36  And when the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone. And they kept silent, and reported to no one in those days any of the things which they had seen. 

It’s because the name of the Almighty, which is Jesus, was given to the Son of God. Didn’t Luke refer to the man born of Mary with his ‘Jesus was found alone?’

Yes, then why Luke write "Jesus" not Son of God to support you OneJack?
By the way, you missed to mentioned the forever name of the Father, ‘יהוה. Why?

Exo 3:15  And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’ěl, ‘יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Ya‛aqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations.’ 

Jesus has His own name in every language, Capbook. I’m sure you’re not a Hebrew, are you?

Yes, I am not Hebrew but the Almighty God the Father had said, "‘יהוה" is His name forever. You also exclude even the YHWH.
As the name "Jesus" an English transliteration, did Jesus speak English OneJack?

[OneJack]

Why this verse states "Jesus" was found alone, not the Son of God supposedly written or mentioned to prove you're correct?
As you quote Bible verses OneJack, do you agree or dis-agree with what you quote?

Luk 9:36  And when the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone. And they kept silent, and reported to no one in those days any of the things which they had seen. 

It’s because the name of the Almighty, which is Jesus, was given to the Son of God. Didn’t Luke refer to the man born of Mary with his ‘Jesus was found alone?’

Yes, then why Luke write "Jesus" not Son of God to support you OneJack?
By the way, you missed to mentioned the forever name of the Father, ‘יהוה. Why?

Exo 3:15  And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’ěl, ‘יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Ya‛aqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations.’ 

Jesus has His own name in every language, Capbook. I’m sure you’re not a Hebrew, are you?

Yes, I am not Hebrew but the Almighty God the Father had said, "‘יהוה" is His name forever. You also exclude even the YHWH.
As the name "Jesus" an English transliteration, did Jesus speak English OneJack?

Yes, the Lord Jesus speaks English, as well as all the languages. You name it, and He speaks well in whatever language is at issue.

[Capbook]

It’s because the name of the Almighty, which is Jesus, was given to the Son of God. Didn’t Luke refer to the man born of Mary with his ‘Jesus was found alone?’

Yes, then why Luke write "Jesus" not Son of God to support you OneJack?
By the way, you missed to mentioned the forever name of the Father, ‘יהוה. Why?

Exo 3:15  And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’ěl, ‘יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Ya‛aqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations.’ 

Jesus has His own name in every language, Capbook. I’m sure you’re not a Hebrew, are you?

Yes, I am not Hebrew but the Almighty God the Father had said, "‘יהוה" is His name forever. You also exclude even the YHWH.
As the name "Jesus" an English transliteration, did Jesus speak English OneJack?

Yes, the Lord Jesus speaks English, as well as all the languages. You name it, and He speaks well in whatever language is at issue.

Can you prove it in the Bible during His time on earth, or just a subjective evidence?

[OneJack]

Yes, then why Luke write "Jesus" not Son of God to support you OneJack?
By the way, you missed to mentioned the forever name of the Father, ‘יהוה. Why?

Exo 3:15  And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’ěl, ‘יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Ya‛aqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations.’ 

Jesus has His own name in every language, Capbook. I’m sure you’re not a Hebrew, are you?

Yes, I am not Hebrew but the Almighty God the Father had said, "‘יהוה" is His name forever. You also exclude even the YHWH.
As the name "Jesus" an English transliteration, did Jesus speak English OneJack?

Yes, the Lord Jesus speaks English, as well as all the languages. You name it, and He speaks well in whatever language is at issue.

Can you prove it in the Bible during His time on earth, or just a subjective evidence?

Refrain from exalting the bible by looking at the reality of Jesus' existence in the Bible, instead of what He will tell you through direct and personal encounters with Him. Jesus is not the bible. We've heard the Lord Jesus spoke to us in English and Filipino languages, not just our opinion.

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[Capbook]

Jesus has His own name in every language, Capbook. I’m sure you’re not a Hebrew, are you?

Yes, I am not Hebrew but the Almighty God the Father had said, "‘יהוה" is His name forever. You also exclude even the YHWH.
As the name "Jesus" an English transliteration, did Jesus speak English OneJack?

Yes, the Lord Jesus speaks English, as well as all the languages. You name it, and He speaks well in whatever language is at issue.

Can you prove it in the Bible during His time on earth, or just a subjective evidence?

Refrain from exalting the bible by looking at the reality of Jesus' existence in the Bible, instead of what He will tell you through direct and personal encounters with Him. Jesus is not the bible. We've heard the Lord Jesus spoke to us in English and Filipino languages, not just our opinion.

,

You long ago have stated, we cannot hear your Lord Jesus and live.
But uou heard your Lord Jesus but you did not die. I find a contradiction OneJack.

[OneJack]

Yes, I am not Hebrew but the Almighty God the Father had said, "‘יהוה" is His name forever. You also exclude even the YHWH.
As the name "Jesus" an English transliteration, did Jesus speak English OneJack?

Yes, the Lord Jesus speaks English, as well as all the languages. You name it, and He speaks well in whatever language is at issue.

Can you prove it in the Bible during His time on earth, or just a subjective evidence?

Refrain from exalting the bible by looking at the reality of Jesus' existence in the Bible, instead of what He will tell you through direct and personal encounters with Him. Jesus is not the bible. We've heard the Lord Jesus spoke to us in English and Filipino languages, not just our opinion.

,

You long ago have stated, we cannot hear your Lord Jesus and live.
But uou heard your Lord Jesus but you did not die. I find a contradiction OneJack.

Don’t put your words in my mouth; come to and call on the Lord Jesus, and He can speak with you without experiencing death even for a second.

[Capbook]

Yes, the Lord Jesus speaks English, as well as all the languages. You name it, and He speaks well in whatever language is at issue.

Can you prove it in the Bible during His time on earth, or just a subjective evidence?

Refrain from exalting the bible by looking at the reality of Jesus' existence in the Bible, instead of what He will tell you through direct and personal encounters with Him. Jesus is not the bible. We've heard the Lord Jesus spoke to us in English and Filipino languages, not just our opinion.

,

You long ago have stated, we cannot hear your Lord Jesus and live.
But uou heard your Lord Jesus but you did not die. I find a contradiction OneJack.

Don’t put your words in my mouth; come to and call on the Lord Jesus, and He can speak with you without experiencing death even for a second.

Would you deny what you state long ago OneJack?
That hearing the voice of your Lord Jesus no one live?