Man vs God

[NotR]

Does modern government contradict with God's will for people? Most people, such as me, would call today's system inhumane in a tolerative sense. The "American Dream" of "equality capitalism" is disturbed from birth, as people are born into different layers of society. Nothing against America itself, but it seems that American government is very picky about inflicting this rule on other countries.

[sledheavy]

Does modern government contradict with God's will for people? Most people, such as me, would call today's system inhumane in a tolerative sense. The "American Dream" of "equality capitalism" is disturbed from birth, as people are born into different layers of society. Nothing against America itself, but it seems that American government is very picky about inflicting this rule on other countries.

That's actually a good topic for discussion.

Although there's a lot going on in the statement above.

Do we consider that as man advances he conflicts the original ideals god or nature present?

Lets say for instance the debates on homosexuality as discussed between the principles of society and religion. Can equality be subjected because of choice?

On the idea of capitalism or globalization, there's a couple of ideas here. I for one don't like the idea of mc'e dees being in africa, because it sounds like we're sending as much coca cola as drinkable water or medication. But either way, we're still buying blood diamonds in the US.

That can be prevented.

But capitalism is inevitable.

Has man outgrown his nature? Or is it still fighting his subconscious? Those are the questions which interest me here.

[ST88]

Does modern government contradict with God's will for people?

Not to be snide, but where in the Bible does it say that this life is fair?

Most people, such as me, would call today's system inhumane in a tolerative sense. The "American Dream" of "equality capitalism" is disturbed from birth, as people are born into different layers of society. Nothing against America itself, but it seems that American government is very picky about inflicting this rule on other countries.

I'm not sure what "equality capitalism" is, but pure capitalism -- which amounts to anarchy -- is a great way to run an economy, but a lousy way to run a government. In order to run a government, there must be some kind of social welfare -- or else some kind of admission that there are certain individuals who don't have a place in a capitalist society. I'd be interested to hear your interpretation of what those "different layers of society" are, because capitalism is the only system that will allow someone to transcend their condition of birth. Every society will have its haves and have nots, even so-called socialist societies have layers. Capitalism is the only system that lets people jump layers based on merit within the system.

It's important to note what capitalism actually means. It doesn't mean the best idea wins, it means the most valuable commodity wins. When America exports its ideas of capitalism, it's unfortunate that the American market has already been tested for commodification values of things like convenient foods. These turn-key operations start right up in other places and expose the rest of the world to the most efficient means of producing these experiences. They have already been tested to be valuable commodities. All this comes at the price of culture, but when has this not been true? Italian culture assimilated the tomato and pasta noodles; Irish culture assimilated the potato; Finnish culture assimilated the tango. As for the imperialist American culture, just wait for the 2008 election.

[Hugh]

Does modern government contradict with God's will for people? Most people, such as me, would call today's system inhumane in a tolerative sense. The "American Dream" of "equality capitalism" is disturbed from birth, as people are born into different layers of society. Nothing against America itself, but it seems that American government is very picky about inflicting this rule on other countries.

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God itself had evolved on the trip of times. Since the very beginning human (when hunter-gatherers attained the instinct of crude governance) had created God on their image (based on myth, dreams and visions) in order to provide projected authority to the rules laid down to move social feeling into homogenous character as against animals being ruled by chaos.
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As civilization move-on ... myth, dreams and visions were integrated into one cult-dogma where leaders clinged their authority to controlled social feeling and imposed the rule of crude governance. Just before the Rennaisance ... cult-authority started to cracked and the splitting of cult-dogmas were common advancing further into a civilized doctrine - called religion... and from this stage, different concept of God were born.

[MikeH]

Just before the Rennaisance ... cult-authority started to cracked and the splitting of cult-dogmas were common advancing further into a civilized doctrine - called religion... and from this stage, different concept of God were born.

Are you saying that religion started just before the Renaissance?

[Hugh]

4,000 years before Abraham of Ur is before Renaissance too ... wanna bet ???
Let is be known that cults and religion has no difference. ... and conducting catholic mass is a retained cult-practice since Mithraism religious-cult.

[MikeH]

4,000 years before Abraham of Ur is before Renaissance too ... wanna bet ???

Yes, but you said just before the renaissance, now you're backtracking.

Let is be known that cults and religion has no difference.

Ok, it is known that you are wrong. You can be a part of a religion that is not a cult.

cult (kŭlt) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
2. The followers of such a religion or sect.
3. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
4. The object of such devotion.

[The Persnickety Platypus]

Perhaps you should start a movement to get God's name on that '08 ballot.

[Alamanach]

On the idea of capitalism or globalization, there's a couple of ideas here. I for one don't like the idea of mc'e dees being in africa, because it sounds like we're sending as much coca cola as drinkable water or medication. But either way, we're still buying blood diamonds in the US...

Absolutely spot-on. I'm proud to be an American, but shame on us for inflicting trash like McDonald's on the poor Africans. McDonald's has a right to make money, but it shouldn't be at the expense of indigenous cultures that don't have the strength to keep foreigners out. I've always thought we ought to have an awareness-raising campaign to let the Africans know not to eat at places like McDonald's. If enough of them chose not to go there, then McD's would have no choice but to close its doors. But the only way that will happen is if we get the word out and convince Africans that companies like McDonald's are trying to ram a certain lifestyle down their throats; trying to tell them how to live. We need to let the poor Africans know that NOBODY has the right to tell them how to live, or what to eat, or where to eat, not even McDonald's-- and that's why they shouldn't eat there. Those Africans have certain indigenous cultures, and we need to let them know that they're free to stay within those cultures. Any outsider, like McDonald's, who's going to tell them to eat this, or not eat that, needs to be thrown out on his ear.

[sledheavy]

On the idea of capitalism or globalization, there's a couple of ideas here. I for one don't like the idea of mc'e dees being in africa, because it sounds like we're sending as much coca cola as drinkable water or medication. But either way, we're still buying blood diamonds in the US...

Absolutely spot-on. I'm proud to be an American, but shame on us for inflicting trash like McDonald's on the poor Africans. McDonald's has a right to make money, but it shouldn't be at the expense of indigenous cultures that don't have the strength to keep foreigners out. I've always thought we ought to have an awareness-raising campaign to let the Africans know not to eat at places like McDonald's. If enough of them chose not to go there, then McD's would have no choice but to close its doors. But the only way that will happen is if we get the word out and convince Africans that companies like McDonald's are trying to ram a certain lifestyle down their throats; trying to tell them how to live. We need to let the poor Africans know that NOBODY has the right to tell them how to live, or what to eat, or where to eat, not even McDonald's-- and that's why they shouldn't eat there. Those Africans have certain indigenous cultures, and we need to let them know that they're free to stay within those cultures. Any outsider, like McDonald's, who's going to tell them to eat this, or not eat that, needs to be thrown out on his ear.

thanks. There's a forum called the engine by Warren Ellis who is known for discussing these issues as well.