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Jesus is God - 1 Tim 13 - who is Paul blaspheming against?

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12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. 13 Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14 The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
1) So Saul was a top Jew and would never blaspheme against YHWH.

Historical Background: Saul (later Paul) was a Pharisee of the strictest sect, born a Roman citizen but raised in the Jewish tradition of Tarsus. He studied directly under Gamaliel, the grandson of Hillel and one of the most revered rabbis in the Sanhedrin (Acts 22:3; cf. Acts 5:34-39). Gamaliel's school emphasized meticulous Torah observance, and Saul describes himself as "advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers" (Galatians 1:14, emphasis added).
Zeal Against "Blasphemy": As a Pharisee, Saul's mission was to purge Israel of anything that could defile the covenant or dishonor YHWH. Blasphemy was the ultimate Jewish taboo—punishable by stoning (Leviticus 24:16; cf. the trial of Jesus in Mark 14:64). Saul hunted perceived blasphemers: "I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death... I went to foreign cities to imprison many... I cast my vote against them when they were put to death" (Acts 26:10-11; cf. Acts 8:1-3; 9:1-2). He saw himself as God's enforcer, breathing "threats and murder against the disciples" (Acts 9:1).
Key Implication: A man like Saul would never intentionally blaspheme YHWH. His actions were the opposite: hyper-vigilant defense of God's honor. If he thought he was serving God, he couldn't have been blaspheming—unless his target wasn't just a "false messiah" but God incarnate.

2) Paul's Post-Conversion Confession—"I Was Once a Blasphemer" (1 Timothy 1:13)
The Text in Context: In 1 Timothy 1:12-14, Paul thanks Christ for his mercy, then pivots to his past: "Even though I was once a blasphemer (blasphēmos) and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly..."This isn't casual regret; it's a radical re-evaluation. Paul isn't confessing generic sins—he's using loaded Jewish terminology. Blasphēmia in the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament) and rabbinic thought always targets God directly: cursing His name, attributing evil to Him, or rejecting His revelation (e.g., Numbers 15:30; 2 Kings 19:4).
Cross-reference Acts 9:4-5 (Saul's Damascus Road encounter): Jesus asks, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" Saul's reply—"Who are you, Lord?"—reveals the divine identity. Jesus identifies as the one Saul is attacking.

3) The Twist: As Saul, he believed he was honoring YHWH by crushing the "Nazarene sect" (Acts 24:5). But now, he sees those actions as blasphemy against God. Why? Because the early church's message was that Jesus is YHWH's divine presence (e.g., Jesus' claims in John 8:58; 10:30). Persecuting Christians = persecuting the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27), which Paul now equates with assaulting God Himself.

4)The Paradox Resolved: How could a Gamaliel-trained Pharisee blaspheme without knowing it? Only if his "zeal" was misdirected at the wrong target—God Himself in the person of Jesus. Paul isn't saying he slandered YHWH's name verbally; he's saying his violent opposition to Jesus was, in truth, reviling the divine Son. This mirrors Jesus' warning: "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven" (Matthew 12:32). Paul's ignorance (v. 13) echoes this—his "unbelief" blinded him to Jesus' deity.

How could a devout, elite Pharisee like Saul—trained under Gamaliel, fiercely zealous for the honor of YHWH, and utterly committed to stamping out anything he saw as blasphemy against God—ever describe his own past actions as blasphemy (1 Timothy 1:13)?He wasn't casually sinning or attacking some random group. As Saul, he believed he was defending God's name by persecuting Christians—breathing threats and murder against them (Acts 9:1), approving their executions (Acts 26:10), and hunting them to foreign cities. A man of his background and training would never knowingly blaspheme YHWH; that was the very crime he was trying to eradicate!So how can Paul, looking back, honestly call himself a 'blasphemer' unless the one he was actually opposing—Jesus—was God Himself?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Sun Feb 08, 2026 1:33 am ...So how can Paul, looking back, honestly call himself a 'blasphemer' unless the one he was actually opposing—Jesus—was God Himself?
Why do you think it would mean Jesus is God himself? By what Paul writes, Jesus is a man, the mediator between God and men.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
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[Replying to 1213 in post #2]
Why not address the topic then post another verse?

Why did Paul consider himself a blasphemer?
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Wootah wrote: Sun Feb 08, 2026 7:01 am [Replying to 1213 in post #2]
Why not address the topic then post another verse?

Why did Paul consider himself a blasphemer?
You asked also "So how can Paul, looking back, honestly call himself a 'blasphemer' unless the one he was actually opposing—Jesus—was God Himself?". I showed Paul didn't think Jesus is the God. Which is why I don't think he thought he is a blasphemer because he didn't think Jesus is the God.
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Ok now explain the blasphemer bit. Take the question head on.
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Paul didn’t knew Jesus when he was persecuting the body of Christ - Christians. He didn’t know that Jesus is the name of the Almighty God (YHWH), together with Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father (Isa 7:14, 9:6; Matt 1;21). Worse, he was unaware that YHWH, or the Father was the Spirit and Life (John 14:10-11) that was in the man born of Mary, the man who was called the Son of God (Luke 1:35). The Almighty God (YHWH) was the Father who incarnated Himself in the flesh of the Son of God, per se, hence the name Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father, or Jesus. Therefore, Jesus, not the Son of God. per se, is the Almighty God whom Paul was persecuting and blaspheming [without his knowledge] every time he persecuted and put the followers of Christ to death.

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OneJack wrote: Mon Feb 09, 2026 7:26 am [Replying to Wootah in post #1]
Paul didn’t knew Jesus when he was persecuting the body of Christ - Christians. He didn’t know that Jesus is the name of the Almighty God (YHWH), together with Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father (Isa 7:14, 9:6; Matt 1;21). Worse, he was unaware that YHWH, or the Father was the Spirit and Life (John 14:10-11) that was in the man born of Mary, the man who was called the Son of God (Luke 1:35). The Almighty God (YHWH) was the Father who incarnated Himself in the flesh of the Son of God, per se, hence the name Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father, or Jesus. Therefore, Jesus, not the Son of God. per se, is the Almighty God whom Paul was persecuting and blaspheming [without his knowledge] every time he persecuted and put the followers of Christ to death.
Yes, he was blaspheming against God. Jesus.
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Wootah wrote: Mon Feb 09, 2026 6:41 am Ok now explain the blasphemer bit. Take the question head on.
I believe Paul considered himself a blasphemer, because he went against God's words and attacked people the way he did.
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@1213, Paul also writes that

Col 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 
Col 1:16  For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 
Col 1:18  And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 
Col 1:19  For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 
Col 1:20  and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross. 

Thus, Jesus is fully God and fully human.

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BruceLeiter wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 2:25 pm ....
Col 1:19  For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 
Col 1:20  and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross. 

Thus, Jesus is fully God and fully human.
That says God dwells in Jesus. If Jesus is the God, I don't think it would say God dwells in himself.
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