Exodus 3, who was in the burning bush?

[placebofactor]

Exodus 3:2, King James Bible, “The angel (messenger) of the LORD appeared to him (Moses) in a flame of fire from within the bush.”

Question, “Did the angel of the Lord appear to Moses as he was, or AS a flame of fire?” Answer: He appeared “in a flame of fire,” not “as a flame of fire.” He is present within the flame; the flame is the environment of the appearance, not the angel’s form.

Question: Is the LORD (YHWH) in verse 4 the “angel of the LORD” in verse 2? And in Verse 4, “When the LORD (YHWH) saw that he turned aside to look, God (Elohim) called to him from the midst of the bush.”
Question: Is the LORD and God in verse 4 the same person as the angel of the LORD in verse 2?

The text begins with “the angel of the LORD appeared…”, but when the voice speaks, it is simply “God” and “the LORD.” There was no change of scene, no new character introduced, no explanation. The same presence in the bush is now called “YHWH” and “Elohim.”

I understand that the God and LORD of verse 4 are the same person as the angel of the LORD in verse 2. And yes, each title carries a different theological emphasis.

As the Angel of the LORD, this is God manifested.
As the LORD, “YHWH,” this is his covenant identity, and,
As God, “Elohim,” it speaks of his authority and power. The narrative uses all three to give a fuller picture of who is speaking from the bush.

As for the name “I Am” in verse 14, it sums it all up. “I Am” means God will be what he will be." He will be the angel of the LORD delivering a message. As the LORD, he is speaking of his identity, faithfulness, and that he is and will be. And as God, he is the Creator, Sovereign, and Judge?

As the “I Am,” it sums up all three titles? “I Am” (Ehyeh) in Exodus 3:14 expresses God’s freedom, constancy, and self-determining nature. “He will be what he will be.” He will be whatever the situation requires; he will manifest Himself however He chooses because he is not and will not be defined by man.

Strictly limiting ourselves to what the Bible teaches, what do we know? John 1:18, “No man hath seen God (the Father) at any time.”
John 5:37, “Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.” These two verses refer to the Father, as the context makes clear.

So, the Bible teaches that the Father has never been seen, and his voice never heard. So what is the logical conclusion we can draw? Who appeared and spoke to Moses in the bush? And who else holds all the titles of LORD, God, angel of the LORD, and the I Am? The only other divine person the scriptures identify as God, as LORD, as the angel of the LORD, and the I Am, is the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #45]

Why don't you respond to all of my verses, @OneJack? Do you secretly wrestle with them and are beginning to agree with them?

Those verses are not Jesus, are they? You’re using them to support/warrant your opinion.

OneJack, you always rely wholly to that untested spirit.
Jesus' defense when He had a face to face encounter with the devil was "it is written," why can't you do that to the spirit you are relying to?"
Just try to do it, if he will confirm he made that defense, then good, but if he deny it you will know then who he is.

Mat 4:4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 
Mat 4:5  Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 
Mat 4:6  And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 
Mat 4:7  Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 
Mat 4:8  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 
Mat 4:9  And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 
Mat 4:10  Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 

By the same token, Capbook, you always rely on the words in the bible, are they the Lord God Jesus Christ, who is the only Savior of all? Will those words be able to save your soul?

[BruceLeiter]

[Replying to OneJack in post #50]

I am awake, @OneJack. You seem to be asleep in a dream world with your fake Jesus.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #50]

I am awake, @OneJack. You seem to be asleep in a dream world with your fake Jesus.

You know nothing yet from Jesus.

[Capbook]

[Replying to OneJack in post #45]

Why don't you respond to all of my verses, @OneJack? Do you secretly wrestle with them and are beginning to agree with them?

Those verses are not Jesus, are they? You’re using them to support/warrant your opinion.

OneJack, you always rely wholly to that untested spirit.
Jesus' defense when He had a face to face encounter with the devil was "it is written," why can't you do that to the spirit you are relying to?"
Just try to do it, if he will confirm he made that defense, then good, but if he deny it you will know then who he is.

Mat 4:4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 
Mat 4:5  Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 
Mat 4:6  And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 
Mat 4:7  Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 
Mat 4:8  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 
Mat 4:9  And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 
Mat 4:10  Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 

By the same token, Capbook, you always rely on the words in the bible, are they the Lord God Jesus Christ, who is the only Savior of all? Will those words be able to save your soul?

Faith to the true Jesus can save us through God's grace OneJack.
I'm just sad that you seems would never plan to try that spirit, the "it is written" was the best defense Jesus used against the devil.
As the Word of God is the best defense and offense against the enemy OneJack.
Why not try, he might agree, and we'll be agreeable.

Eph 6:17  And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.[/color] 

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #45]

Why don't you respond to all of my verses, @OneJack? Do you secretly wrestle with them and are beginning to agree with them?

Those verses are not Jesus, are they? You’re using them to support/warrant your opinion.

OneJack, you always rely wholly to that untested spirit.
Jesus' defense when He had a face to face encounter with the devil was "it is written," why can't you do that to the spirit you are relying to?"
Just try to do it, if he will confirm he made that defense, then good, but if he deny it you will know then who he is.

Mat 4:4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 
Mat 4:5  Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 
Mat 4:6  And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 
Mat 4:7  Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 
Mat 4:8  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 
Mat 4:9  And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 
Mat 4:10  Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 

By the same token, Capbook, you always rely on the words in the bible, are they the Lord God Jesus Christ, who is the only Savior of all? Will those words be able to save your soul?

Faith to the true Jesus can save us through God's grace OneJack.
I'm just sad that you seems would never plan to try that spirit, the "it is written" was the best defense Jesus used against the devil.
As the Word of God is the best defense and offense against the enemy OneJack.
Why not try, he might agree, and we'll be agreeable.

Eph 6:17  And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.[/color] 

Never did Jesus say that the Bible is the Word of God, did He?

[BruceLeiter]

[Replying to OneJack in post #55]

However, @OneJack, he used the Scriptures to answer Satan's attack. Thus, he who inspired them also quoted them against Satan. Those actions showed that he legitimized them as his words.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #55]

However, @OneJack, he used the Scriptures to answer Satan's attack. Thus, he who inspired them also quoted them against Satan. Those actions showed that he legitimized them as his words.

Bruce, tell me frankly, did Jesus audibly command/tell you to know Him through the pages of the bible, or by Himself, the real and forever living God?

[Capbook]

Those verses are not Jesus, are they? You’re using them to support/warrant your opinion.

OneJack, you always rely wholly to that untested spirit.
Jesus' defense when He had a face to face encounter with the devil was "it is written," why can't you do that to the spirit you are relying to?"
Just try to do it, if he will confirm he made that defense, then good, but if he deny it you will know then who he is.

Mat 4:4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 
Mat 4:5  Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 
Mat 4:6  And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 
Mat 4:7  Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 
Mat 4:8  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 
Mat 4:9  And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 
Mat 4:10  Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 

By the same token, Capbook, you always rely on the words in the bible, are they the Lord God Jesus Christ, who is the only Savior of all? Will those words be able to save your soul?

Faith to the true Jesus can save us through God's grace OneJack.
I'm just sad that you seems would never plan to try that spirit, the "it is written" was the best defense Jesus used against the devil.
As the Word of God is the best defense and offense against the enemy OneJack.
Why not try, he might agree, and we'll be agreeable.

Eph 6:17  And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.[/color] 

Never did Jesus say that the Bible is the Word of God, did He?

OneJack, God Jesus, as written in John 8:31 said, in we continue in His word, that's God's Word being written.
Where? in the Bible OneJack.
Can you check it in your Bible if the verse I quote is true?

John 8:31  So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 

[OneJack]

OneJack, you always rely wholly to that untested spirit.
Jesus' defense when He had a face to face encounter with the devil was "it is written," why can't you do that to the spirit you are relying to?"
Just try to do it, if he will confirm he made that defense, then good, but if he deny it you will know then who he is.

Mat 4:4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 
Mat 4:5  Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 
Mat 4:6  And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 
Mat 4:7  Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 
Mat 4:8  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 
Mat 4:9  And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 
Mat 4:10  Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 

By the same token, Capbook, you always rely on the words in the bible, are they the Lord God Jesus Christ, who is the only Savior of all? Will those words be able to save your soul?

Faith to the true Jesus can save us through God's grace OneJack.
I'm just sad that you seems would never plan to try that spirit, the "it is written" was the best defense Jesus used against the devil.
As the Word of God is the best defense and offense against the enemy OneJack.
Why not try, he might agree, and we'll be agreeable.

Eph 6:17  And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.[/color] 

Never did Jesus say that the Bible is the Word of God, did He?

OneJack, God Jesus, as written in John 8:31 said, in we continue in His word, that's God's Word being written.
Where? in the Bible OneJack.
Can you check it in your Bible if the verse I quote is true?

John 8:31  So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 

Use your wisdom, Capbook. The Bible did not yet exist when Jesus said that; therefore, the 'my word' in that verse is not about the Bible, but about the words that came out of the mouth of the Lord.

[OneJack]

[Replying to Capbook in post #58]

OneJack, God Jesus, as written in John 8:31 said, in we continue in His word, that's God's Word being written.
Where? in the Bible OneJack.
Can you check it in your Bible if the verse I quote is true?

John 8:31  So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; [/color]

Use your wisdom, Capbook. The Bible did not yet exist when Jesus said that; therefore, the 'my word' in that verse is not about the Bible, but about the words that came out of the mouth of the Lord.