Was Jesus Gay?

[JJ50]

Jesus apparently had a specific disciple, presumably a guy, whom he loved,he never condemned homosexuality, of course there is nothing wrong with being in a relationship with someone of the same sex, so I wonder if he was gay? If it could be proved he was, I wonder how those Christians who are anti-gay bigots would react?

[Danmark]

There is no record of marriage, children, or a special female friendship anything akin to the clear references to John, the beloved disciple.

That's true of all the disciples except Peter and his wife was only mentioned indirectly.

Jesus didn't just "love" John (if the references even mean John), but also loved Martha, her sister and Lazarus (John 11:5). If John's Gospel used "loved" as a coded reference to lovers in a romantic or erotic sense, then it sounds like Jesus was beyond mundane things like plumbing when choosing his special friends.

You know, John's Gospel is also the one that implied that Jesus could make changes to himself that made him unrecognizable to both friends and crowds. Maybe water into wine was just the trick that got the party going and he had better tricks for after everyone had loosened up a bit.

Good points, except any reference to the G of John re: facts is misplaced. The author of 'John' is clearly unencumbered by an affinity for facts. He launched himself on a journey of fancy and speculation, of science fiction unmatched until another John imagined the visions in Revelation.

The other gospels and Acts at least make a showing of attempting to appear documentary. John's gospel just goes off like a speculative wrangle thru the clouds of imagination with no foundation, making wild claims as if the author were God Himself.

[mitty]

Jesus apparently had a specific disciple, presumably a guy, whom he loved,he never condemned homosexuality, of course there is nothing wrong with being in a relationship with someone of the same sex, so I wonder if he was gay? If it could be proved he was, I wonder how those Christians who are anti-gay bigots would react?

Love in Bible is not same as homosexual act, which is not good and reasonable move. Jesus told he didnt come to destroy the law, so when the law says homosexual act is not good, that is still valid saying.

Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat. 5:17-19

I dont believe Jesus was homosexual, because if he would have been, he would probably have tried to destroy the law.

But the bible does not condemn homosexuality, and only condemns anal sex of women and men which is described as "vile" and "unseemly" (Romans 1:26-27) and disgusting (Lev 18 & 20), as is eating oysters (Leviticus). And afterall Jesus said nothing about homosexuality and his relationship with one of his disciples (John 19:26 21:7) except to ask his followers to accept that some men do not marry because they are so born from their mothers' wombs (Matt 19:12).

[wannabe]

Gay requires a sexual element, otherwise its just love.

[William]

Gay requires a sexual element, otherwise its just love.

Are you arguing that sex isn't an expression of Love?

[wannabe]

[Replying to William in post #54]

To William, post 54

No my argument is that sexual activities are the sinful part of a loving relationship in the gay community, eg. Sodomy.
Take sex out of the gay and you have two great mates or besties forever.

Sex is definitely an expression of love, or should be.
But is not essential for love to exist. (But it is essential for reproduction, which is one of gods purposes).

[William]

[Replying to William in post #54]

To William, post 54

No my argument is that sexual activities are the sinful part of a loving relationship in the gay community, eg. Sodomy.
Take sex out of the gay and you have two great mates or besties forever.

Sex is definitely an expression of love, or should be.
But is not essential for love to exist. (But it is essential for reproduction, which is one of gods purposes).

Are you suggesting that people who are sodomized and who sodomize, do so without love in their hearts?

[wannabe]

[Replying to William in post #56]
It is certainly done without love for God.
I don't know why you assume I have implied that sodomy can't be thought of as an act of love in the mind of some, but it does upset God. (God proclaims it as sinful).

However, how does that relate to the question of whether Jesus is gay or not?
How do you equate from any source that Jesus practicesd sodomy?

Maybe I should assume that you think sodomy equals love. What is the point of sodomy if it doesn't produce babies?
And if your naivety doesn't allow you to associate making babies, with love. Then your on your own in this thread.

Making babies should = love
Why should sodomy = love ?
How can it bind two people like making babies should.

[William]

[Replying to wannabe in post #57]

it does upset God.

I have to wonder if that is the case.

If God is so upset by that type of carry-on - why did He create Hermaphrodites? Or if you just want to argue it is only about humans, why some humans have both female and male parts?

Was Jesus Gay? Was he asexual? Was he married? I don't know. I was simply responding to your particular post, which seemed to me to be something one might hear expressed from Christians who are anti-gay bigots...

[wannabe]

[Replying to wannabe in post #57]

it does upset God.

I have to wonder if that is the case.

If God is so upset by that type of carry-on - why did He create Hermaphrodites? Or if you just want to argue it is only about humans, why some humans have both female and male parts?

Was Jesus Gay? Was he asexual? Was he married? I don't know. I was simply responding to your particular post, which seemed to me to be something one might hear expressed from Christians who are anti-gay bigots...

The first part of you response refers to Gods creations and his reasoning. Either start a new topic or explain how it relates to "was Jesus gay?".

Was Jesus gay? - You won't find any written evidence to support a yes answer to this query. Any "yes" answer to the question will only be loosely assumed. But narrow minds will draw narrow conclusions. Be open minded to them.

In the second part of your response, for the sake of this topic , you have labelled me as an "anti gay bigot". Please provide your reasoning for such an assumption (without assuming anything).

[William]

[Replying to wannabe in post #59]

I was simply responding to your particular post, which seemed to me to be something one might hear expressed from Christians who are anti-gay bigots...since such were mentioned in the Opening Post.

Your argument appears to revolve around making babies but how is that connected to the question for debate? (Was Jesus Gay?)