Did he or didn't he?

[Athetotheist]

And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her.
(1 Samuel 28:6-7)

So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; and enquired not of the Lord
(1Chronicles 10:13-14)

How exactly are these to be reconciled?

[OneJack]

[Replying to William in post #118]

Those who follow Christ come to the Father. This is the heart of it.

Is Christ not the Father Himself? If not, where do you base your notion about Christ, and about the Father?

[William]

[Replying to William in post #118]

Those who follow Christ come to the Father. This is the heart of it.

Is Christ not the Father Himself? If not, where do you base your notion about Christ, and about the Father?

If one follows Christ then eventually one will enter relationship with The Father - or one is not following Christ to that extend (and thus is on the teat)

Is your own relationship with the Bible, With the SON or with The FATHER?

[OneJack]

[Replying to William in post #118]

Those who follow Christ come to the Father. This is the heart of it.

Is Christ not the Father Himself? If not, where do you base your notion about Christ, and about the Father?

If one follows Christ then eventually one will enter relationship with The Father

How is the relationship started and established afterward?

or one is not following Christ to that extend (and thus is on the teat)

How is this in the actual lives of mankind?

Is your own relationship with the Bible,

No

With the SON

No

[/quote]or with The FATHER?[/quote]
Yes!

[William]

[Replying to OneJack in post #123]

The relationship begins when one stops hiding and starts listening.

It is not started by:

Believing the "right" doctrines

Joining the "right" institution

Harmonizing biblical contradictions

Proving the Bible inerrant

Performing the "correct" rituals

It is started by:

Presence

Attention

Openness



How is this in the actual lives of humans?
Some remain infants and others progress - grow mature. How? By doing so.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #123]

The relationship begins when one stops hiding and starts listening.

It is not started by:

Believing the "right" doctrines

Joining the "right" institution

Harmonizing biblical contradictions

Proving the Bible inerrant

Performing the "correct" rituals

It is started by:

Presence

Attention

Openness



How is this in the actual lives of humans?
Some remain infants and others progress - grow mature. How? By doing so.

Coming to and calling on the Lord Jesus Christ, and listening to Him when He responds, is the beginning of attaining a relationship with Jesus.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #115]

I don't discard the books of the bible but I do refrain from worshiping it as The Word of GOD.
My approach to and relationship with GOD is not legalistic or bound by the words in any book.

I.e. your worship is with transgressing God's commandments and breaking His holy law.

Nothing new. Every religion of transgressors is the same, just under different names. The most condemned by the true God are those transgressors naming His name:

Luk 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Mat 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

2Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

But, of course you wouldn't call Him Lord, would you? Too lordalistic...

[RBD]

It takes the Lord Jesus for all of us to know the truth and the lies in the bible. The Lord Jesus is the only Good Shepherd and Teacher in His flock.

It only takes a false Christ to say there are lies in Scriptures of God.

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

You don't know who the false prophets and false Christs are in our time today, do you?

Your christ justifying you while transgressing God's commandments, is not uncommon. No different than the OSAS christ for transgressors with faith-alone.

However, at least you do acknowledge your rejection to those Scriptures of Jesus Christ, that you refuse to obey. The standard OSAS self-justifier goes on with endless changing of those Scriptures, to appear they believe them as written...You stript their appearance, and just say it plain: Not all Scriptures of God are true, and not all His commandments must be obeyed. Refreshing in one sense at least...

Did you hear from God that it only takes a false Christ to say there are lies in the bible/scriptures?

Does it take God to say that only a false christ accuses His Scriptures of lying? Afterall, if does say so, then the same false christ would just say He's lying.

Pro 26:4
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

However, Gd does not say that only a false christ lies about His words, but also the false christ's false apostles, prophets, and teachers:

2Pe 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Rev 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

2Co 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

And yet, with all the many pretty words of worshipping God while transgressing His commandments, in the end the true God will still judge the works of transgression:

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Face the mirror RBD, your object and focus of your faith in God is, no wonder, the bible, per se, not the real and eternally living Christ Jesus, who is beside you/me/them all the time.

This is the same manner as more extreme OSAS transgressors, who even go on to condemn keeping God's commandments blameless. You reject all of God's words being true, and disobey them. Now you go on to condemn those believing and doing all God's words. Certainly is the same spirit:

Eph 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

[RBD]

Have you heard and learned from God your notion of 'scriptural inerrancy,' RBD?

I learned the Scriptures are all true and unerring by study, when I therefore believe all His word is indeed truth.

Where in the bible can we read that God and Jesus says the scriptures are inerrant, verbatim?

Once more, it's foolish to quote God saying His words are perfect and true, to an accuser that will say He's lying.

Prov 26:4
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

So, now that the preliminaries are all settled, this is the site for accusing Scripture of being errant. What have you got to prove any Scripture errs from any other Scripture?

[William]

[Replying to RBD in post #115]

I don't discard the books of the bible but I do refrain from worshiping it as The Word of GOD.
My approach to and relationship with GOD is not legalistic or bound by the words in any book.

I.e. your worship is with transgressing God's commandments and breaking His holy law.

Nothing new. Every religion of transgressors is the same, just under different names. The most condemned by the true God are those transgressors naming His name:

Luk 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Mat 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

2Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

But, of course you wouldn't call Him Lord, would you? Too lordalistic...

This is not dialogue. This is the legalist’s final move: when unable to answer, accuse.

The Bible is not God.

Legalism is a stage for infants.

Relationship with God is direct, not bound by any book.

You have decided what I believe and who I am. That is your choice. I am not required defend myself against your accusations. I AM That I Am.

[POI]

this is the site for accusing Scripture of being errant. What have you got to prove any Scripture errs from any other Scripture?

Easy. Jeremiah 7:22 conflicts with verse(s) Leviticus 1-7, Exodus 12:43-49, and Exodus 29:38-42. Jeremiah 7:22 states God did not command burnt offerings (and/or) sacrifices, when bringing Israel out of Egypt. And yet, in the (3) expressed passages, (from Leviticus and Exodus), god clearly did.

In keeping in line with the running theme here, (did he or didn't he) command such offerings?