Forsaken, yet he forgave, but one.

[placebofactor]

Why do you think Jesus forgave Peter and the others for "forsaking him," and not Judas? Mark 14:50, "And they (the disciples) all forsook him and fled." "Forsook" means to quit, to forsake, to abandon.

[OneJack]

Why do you think Jesus forgave Peter and the others for "forsaking him," and not Judas? Mark 14:50, "And they (the disciples) all forsook him and fled." "Forsook" means to quit, to forsake, to abandon.

Where in the Bible can you point us to where Jesus did not forgive Judas, but forgave Peter and others?

[placebofactor]

Why do you think Jesus forgave Peter and the others for "forsaking him," and not Judas? Mark 14:50, "And they (the disciples) all forsook him and fled." "Forsook" means to quit, to forsake, to abandon.

Where in the Bible can you point us to where Jesus did not forgive Judas, but forgave Peter and others?

After his resurrection, Jesus met his disciples in the upper room after, instructed them, and told Peter, "Feed my sheep." And at Pentecost hey received the Holy Spirit from Jesus himself.

As for Judas, Luke 22:3, "Then entered Satan into Judas." After he sold the Lord out, he hung himself, and his guts spilled into the valley of Hinnom. OneJack, if you read and studied your King James Bible, you would know these things.

[OneJack]

Why do you think Jesus forgave Peter and the others for "forsaking him," and not Judas? Mark 14:50, "And they (the disciples) all forsook him and fled." "Forsook" means to quit, to forsake, to abandon.

Where in the Bible can you point us to where Jesus did not forgive Judas, but forgave Peter and others?

After his resurrection, Jesus met his disciples in the upper room after, instructed them, and told Peter, "Feed my sheep." And at Pentecost hey received the Holy Spirit from Jesus himself.

As for Judas, Luke 22:3, "Then entered Satan into Judas." After he sold the Lord out, he hung himself, and his guts spilled into the valley of Hinnom. OneJack, if you read and studied your King James Bible, you would know these things.

The trouble with your response is that it failed to show us directly that Jesus did not forgive Judas, but forgave Peter and others of their sins. What it has shown is that Judas hung himself. It never shows Judas’ repentance and asking Jesus for forgiveness of his sins against the Lord. How could Jesus forgive him in that regard?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to OneJack in post #4]

There is no biblical or historical record of Judas ever going back to Jesus to ask for forgiveness. The scriptures show Judas feeling remorse, returning the money, confessing his sin to the priests, and then taking his own life, but never approaching Jesus.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #4]

There is no biblical or historical record of Judas ever going back to Jesus to ask for forgiveness. The scriptures show Judas feeling remorse, returning the money, confessing his sin to the priests, and then taking his own life, but never approaching Jesus.

Well said, if Judas came to the Lord and sought His forgiveness, the Lord would surely forgive him and welcome him once again with open arms to His flock. Taking his own life is against the will of God.

[1213]

Why do you think Jesus forgave Peter and the others for "forsaking him," and not Judas? Mark 14:50, "And they (the disciples) all forsook him and fled." "Forsook" means to quit, to forsake, to abandon.

Green's literal translation says:
And leaving Him, all fled.
Mark 14:50

They left, but I don't think they rejected Jesus. They were still loyal to him, but didn't want to get caught with Jesus. Perhaps they were cowards, but I don't think they did the same as Judas who betrayed Jesus.

But, by what I know, it is possible Jesus forgave also Judas. It is not said that it did not happen. But, it is possible that Judas didn't seek that either.

[tam]

Peace to you all,

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

1213 is correct - the others may have fled, but Judas betrayed Christ.

However, that doesn't mean Christ has not forgiven Judas. Judas clearly realized he did a terrible wrong - enough that he killed himself over what he had done. My understanding is that Christ has forgiven him. Regardless, it is between them.


Peace again.

[placebofactor]

Peace to you all,

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

1213 is correct - the others may have fled, but Judas betrayed Christ.

However, that doesn't mean Christ has not forgiven Judas. Judas clearly realized he did a terrible wrong - enough that he killed himself over what he had done. My understanding is that Christ has forgiven him. Regardless, it is between them.


Peace again.

Hi Tam, hope you had a happy and safe Fourth of July. I was under the impression that suicide was murder. Nowhere do I see where Jesus cast the devil out of Judas. Jesus, praying to his Father, said in John 17:12, "I kept them (the disciples) in thy name: those that thou gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost (destroyed) but the son of perdition (Judas); that the scripture might be fulfilled."

The word "Lost" John uses: Greek to English Lexicon, Lost here speaks of eternal death, to perish eternally, as to be deprived of eternal life. The word is also used in Luke 13:3-5, John 3:15-16, 10:28, Romans 2:12, 1 Corinthians 8:11, 15:18, 2 Peter 3:9

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you all,

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

1213 is correct - the others may have fled, but Judas betrayed Christ.

However, that doesn't mean Christ has not forgiven Judas. Judas clearly realized he did a terrible wrong - enough that he killed himself over what he had done. My understanding is that Christ has forgiven him. Regardless, it is between them.


Peace again.

Hi Tam, hope you had a happy and safe Fourth of July.

Thank you Placebofactor (though the northern equivalent - quiet and safe July 1 - Canada Day for me).

I was under the impression that suicide was murder.

I'm not sure who came up with that (and then later went on to falsely teach people that suicide is an unforgivable sin.) I wish those people had understood mercy a little more than what it seems they did.

But suicide and murder are not the same thing. There are other people who committed suicide in what is written and I don't see where it is ever described as murder. And in the case of a modern murder-suicide - we use both words because they are not the same.

Nowhere do I see where Jesus cast the devil out of Judas. Jesus, praying to his Father, said in John 17:12, "I kept them (the disciples) in thy name: those that thou gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost (destroyed) but the son of perdition (Judas); that the scripture might be fulfilled."

It is interesting that you mention that the devil was not cast out of Judas; I hadn't thought of it before. Because it is not my understanding that Judas is the son of destruction.

However, the devil (the one called Satan; the Adversary)... is the son of the destroyer. So I find that interesting.

The 'man of lawlessness' who was yet to be revealed (from 2 Thess 2:3), is also described as "the son of destruction", exactly the same as at John 17:12. And that could not have been Judas.

In any case, the judgment has not yet occurred.

The word "Lost" John uses: Greek to English Lexicon, Lost here speaks of eternal death, to perish eternally, as to be deprived of eternal life. The word is also used in Luke 13:3-5, John 3:15-16, 10:28, Romans 2:12, 1 Corinthians 8:11, 15:18, 2 Peter 3:9

For the most part, I would agree with that... although I noticed when looking it up that 'lost' in 'the lost sheep of Israel' (Matt 15:24;18:11) is the same word as well. And we know that 'lost' did not mean eternal destruction in that cases, or what would have been the point in Christ going to 'the lost sheep of Israel'?

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat ... onc_944024


Just some things to consider perhaps.


Peace again to you.