I don't think you really believe I will fry in Hell for being an Atheist. I don't think you really truly believe any of your non-believing family will either. I think deep down, you know it just isn't true.
If you do believe they will all fry and are not doing absolutely everything in your power to stop it, I would suggest that you are a very cold, dispassionate person. If you really believed your dearly beloved mother was going to burn in hell right next to Cmass and Charles Manson then you would stop at nothing to convince her to accept Jesus. You would not just gently encourage, you would be emotionally and perhaps even physically engaged on a daily and hourly basis. You most certainly would not be reading this silly OP right now. Not if you REALLY cared.
Think about it. If you saw your mother being beaten by someone on the street, would you stop to help save her? Would you put your own life at risk to keep her from drowning? Is there anything you would not do to help her? OK, what about eternal torture in hell? Doesn't this concern you? What about all the other people in your life who are going to hell? Doesn't this leave you feeling devastated? If I believed there was a hell and that so many people would be going - especially any of my friends or family - I would be in constant agony myself and would devote my life to stopping it. Or, I would be numb.
Does your knowledge that so many people will be in eternal torture bother you very much on a daily basis?
This OP came about after reading commentary by some of our more conservative Christian friends in here. Some seem to have no real problem with all us atheists burning in hell forever. Granted, there are probably some personal anger issues involved but still, I have always been uneasy with how casual many Christians are when it comes to discussing eternal damnation. Some get more upset over running over a kitty than the eternal torture of their best friend.
Nonetheless, I give most the benefit of the doubt: I don't think they are really that cold. I just don't think they really believe as much in the hell concept as they report.
Do you really care that I am going to hell?
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Post #71
I anticipated someone might bring this up at some point in this OP.Now, the Christians who are not as pushy and just try to live the example of a good life are getting flamed for NOT telling people they're going to hell?
What the hell (pun intended) do you want from these people?
But it completely misses the point.
We are not discussing Christian social manners and whether or not I think pushy people trying to "save" me are obnoxious. I am bringing up a conundrum in the whole concept of believing in Hell. Adlemi was the only one thus far with a plausible explanation to his feelings and behaviors: He believes his memories will be wiped clean in Heaven so he won't care about his mother being tortured or his daughter being raped by the devil. It won't matter to him because God will make sure he doesn't know about it. While I find this utterly bizarre and I think it has massive implications that he has yet to discover, it IS an explanation.
Post #72
Excuse me for pulling a "Johnny come lately" on the thread but the conundrum is not the concept of Hell but rather whether certain, specific people that you know will occupy it. Is that correct? I myself have a vague belief in something akin to Hell though I have no idea in hell who specifically will be there. There is a difference, right?Cmass wrote:I anticipated someone might bring this up at some point in this OP.Now, the Christians who are not as pushy and just try to live the example of a good life are getting flamed for NOT telling people they're going to hell?
What the hell (pun intended) do you want from these people?
But it completely misses the point.
We are not discussing Christian social manners and whether or not I think pushy people trying to "save" me are obnoxious. I am bringing up a conundrum in the whole concept of believing in Hell. Adlemi was the only one thus far with a plausible explanation to his feelings and behaviors: He believes his memories will be wiped clean in Heaven so he won't care about his mother being tortured or his daughter being raped by the devil. It won't matter to him because God will make sure he doesn't know about it. While I find this utterly bizarre and I think it has massive implications that he has yet to discover, it IS an explanation.
Post #74
First, when we die before the second coming of the Lord, we will resurrect again in the same physical body as we are today for us to be totally consumed, alive and real, by fire to give way for the permanent emergence of our soul and spirit which will be our final state in heaven or in hell. Finally we will be all soul and spirit in heaven or in hell and that will be forever. But it is still you in your state of being soul and spirit, not your flesh, blood, and bone physical body anymore, but with a totally new mind having no trace at all of your past life here on earth.Cmass wrote:OK. Well, that does clear a lot up. But it also suggests that you are no longer you when you go to heaven.?
Total wipe out that you cannot even remember that once in your lifetime you have a beautiful, loving, and caring mother here on earth.Cmass wrote: Without your memories there is not much you left.?
That is the most appalling part of the story my friend, the bible cannot teach us those things but only the real and alive God, the Lord Jesus Christ, He is the only One who can tell us those things perfectly and absolutely hence we really need to come to and get nigh with Him should we really want salvation and eternal life and escape the agony in hell come judgment day.Cmass wrote:BTW: Out of curiosity, where in the bible does god or jesus say you will have no memories in heaven?
Post #75
Tell me adlemi, eh, where do you get all this information from? And do you know about evolution?adlemi wrote:First, when we die before the second coming of the Lord, we will resurrect again in the same physical body as we are today for us to be totally consumed, alive and real, by fire to give way for the permanent emergence of our soul and spirit which will be our final state in heaven or in hell. Finally we will be all soul and spirit in heaven or in hell and that will be forever. But it is still you in your state of being soul and spirit, not your flesh, blood, and bone physical body anymore, but with a totally new mind having no trace at all of your past life here on earth.Cmass wrote:OK. Well, that does clear a lot up. But it also suggests that you are no longer you when you go to heaven.?
Total wipe out that you cannot even remember that once in your lifetime you have a beautiful, loving, and caring mother here on earth.Cmass wrote: Without your memories there is not much you left.?
That is the most appalling part of the story my friend, the bible cannot teach us those things but only the real and alive God, the Lord Jesus Christ, He is the only One who can tell us those things perfectly and absolutely hence we really need to come to and get nigh with Him should we really want salvation and eternal life and escape the agony in hell come judgment day.Cmass wrote:BTW: Out of curiosity, where in the bible does god or jesus say you will have no memories in heaven?
Post #77
Just as how we can read from the bible that Paul did get his from the Lord Jesus Christ himself, so do we today. The Lord came in to our life since July 2001 and it is still on-going up to this very date.Scrotum wrote: Tell me adlemi, eh, where do you get all this information from?
Uuh yes indeed. The Lord told us that out of the dust (alabok) He created in the beginning 17 men and women and one among them was a giant. The Lord God created them in the image of God, sinless and with each individual spirit, as God is spirit, and He scattered them in the different islands of the earth. Out of those 17 people were Adam and Eve. He commanded them to go and multiply and fill the earth with their offsprings. God told them that His name is Jesus and further told them not to use the name Jesus in naming the names of their offsprings and their offsprings' offsprings because that name Jesus is the holy name of God. And there goes the beginning of mankind, plain and simple - Creation of God.Scrotum wrote: And do you know about evolution?:)
Note: God did tell us these things in Tagalog language.
Post #78
May I ask why you speak in plural?adlemi wrote:Just as how we can read from the bible that Paul did get his from the Lord Jesus Christ himself, so do we today. The Lord came in to our life since July 2001 and it is still on-going up to this very date.Scrotum wrote: Tell me adlemi, eh, where do you get all this information from?
Uuh yes indeed. The Lord told us that out of the dust (alabok) He created in the beginning 17 men and women and one among them was a giant. The Lord God created them in the image of God, sinless and with each individual spirit, as God is spirit, and He scattered them in the different islands of the earth. Out of those 17 people were Adam and Eve. He commanded them to go and multiply and fill the earth with their offsprings. God told them that His name is Jesus and further told them not to use the name Jesus in naming the names of their offsprings and their offsprings' offsprings because that name Jesus is the holy name of God. And there goes the beginning of mankind, plain and simple - Creation of God.Scrotum wrote: And do you know about evolution?:)
Note: God did tell us these things in Tagalog language.
Post #79
It is the latter hence it is not biblical, but it is God(lical) in nature.twobitsmedia wrote: Your memories are a part of your soul and aids in creating who you are. So, (1 is there a bible verse for the Lord taking your memory, or is this just something he told you while you "supped" with him? and?"
Why in futiliy, don't you have mercy on your soul? Remember that it is not your physical body who will suffer in hell, but your real soul and spirit should you do not come to and get nigh with the Lord God in our life here on earth.twobitsmedia wrote:2) If he takes your memory, doesn't that make this life an "excercise in futility?"
Post #80
I am not the only one with whom the Lord came in to, live and sup with, but to us (my family, my relatives, and friends) who are able to experience God today the way how it was when in the days of the prophets and the apostles.Scrotum wrote: May I ask why you speak in plural?
