'When we try to control others it is s signpost...

[vfr]

'When we try to control others it is s signpost of our own dis-ease.'

Over the years I have run into many people that would like to control me.

Some say my posts are too long, others tell me I have no right to exist at all.

Recently one person told me the type I was using was too large. (I'm 54..so eyesight is going downhill.)

Others tell me I do not use 'I' enough.

Then the opposite group writes me that tell me I am an egomaniac because my posts contain too many 'I's"

I am not bound by such prejudice that these people exhibit.

When they let the 'length' of a post or 'type' size I use disturb them it says it all about their state of inner peace...nil.

When we try to control others it is s signpost of our own dis-ease.

If I see a post I do not like...I just go onto the next one.

Whenever we get upset with others, it is good to look at things in perspective of the 3 laws that govern us.

All humans answer to:

Man made law

Natural law

Divine law (for those that believe in the spiritual realm**)

Always remember, if a person's actions do not violate any of these laws, then it becomes more of a 'subjective question' of violation.

When likes and dislikes of actions become subjective, then, making demands on others without a firm foundation in the laws bases our decision in our ego.

As such, the general rule is:

Persons should seek to please themselves with their actions first before they please the ego's of others.

**for further discussion about spiritual or divine laws that govern us see:

'Every Atheist Serves Two Gods' at:

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ ... opic=342.0



Take Care,


V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher

For free access to my earlier posts on voluntary simplicity, compulsive spending, debting, compulsive overeating and clutter write: vfr44@aol.com. Any opinion expressed here is that of my own and is not the opinion, recommendation or belief of any group or organization.

[Cryopyre]

Your post is too long.

Just kidding, interesting, and I agree that sometimes it can be a sign of our own disease in the fact that we try to cut everyone down to show that we're superior.

[Confused]

'When we try to control others it is s signpost of our own dis-ease.'

Over the years I have run into many people that would like to control me.

Some say my posts are too long, others tell me I have no right to exist at all.

Recently one person told me the type I was using was too large. (I'm 54..so eyesight is going downhill.)

Others tell me I do not use 'I' enough.

Then the opposite group writes me that tell me I am an egomaniac because my posts contain too many 'I's"

I am not bound by such prejudice that these people exhibit.

When they let the 'length' of a post or 'type' size I use disturb them it says it all about their state of inner peace...nil.

When we try to control others it is s signpost of our own dis-ease.

If I see a post I do not like...I just go onto the next one.

Whenever we get upset with others, it is good to look at things in perspective of the 3 laws that govern us.

All humans answer to:

Man made law

Natural law

Divine law (for those that believe in the spiritual realm**)

Always remember, if a person's actions do not violate any of these laws, then it becomes more of a 'subjective question' of violation.

When likes and dislikes of actions become subjective, then, making demands on others without a firm foundation in the laws bases our decision in our ego.

As such, the general rule is:

Persons should seek to please themselves with their actions first before they please the ego's of others.

**for further discussion about spiritual or divine laws that govern us see:

'Every Atheist Serves Two Gods' at:

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ ... opic=342.0



Take Care,


V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher

For free access to my earlier posts on voluntary simplicity, compulsive spending, debting, compulsive overeating and clutter write: vfr44@aol.com. Any opinion expressed here is that of my own and is not the opinion, recommendation or belief of any group or organization.

Is there a question for debate here?

[QED]

vfr, the irony of your OP about control not meeting the published standards of these forums has not gone unnoticed. To start a debate properly your OP should be in the form of a question such as the one we get by transposing "it" and "is" i.e. "'When we try to control others is it a signpost of our own dis-ease?"

I suggest we treat this topic as though that was the intended question. In future please adhere to the Debate Forum Rules, and in particular:

3. When you start a new topic in a debate sub-forum, it must state a clearly defined question(s) for debate.

[Confused]

vfr, the irony of your OP about control not meeting the published standards of these forums has not gone unnoticed. To start a debate properly your OP should be in the form of a question such as the one we get by transposing "it" and "is" i.e. "'When we try to control others is it a signpost of our own dis-ease?"

I suggest we treat this topic as though that was the intended question. In future please adhere to the Debate Forum Rules, and in particular:

3. When you start a new topic in a debate sub-forum, it must state a clearly defined question(s) for debate.

I can run with this. Most humans try to control for one of two reasons (though at times they may use both).
1) To prevent the person from doing harm to themselves or others
2) For power. These are usually the ones who have such a low self esteem that they feel that by controlling others, they appear more powerful. They might be insecure about themselves. They might be jealous that Mr X wife cooks beautiful meals every day while yours can hardly make Hamburger Helper, so in an effort to ease that jealousy they force their wife to cooking classes so they can have higher class meals, this make the person feel like they have a higher position. They might just be scared they won't be enough to keep you, so if they make you dependent on them you won't leave.

In the first, no, it isn't a sign of dis-ease.
The second: you betcha.

[crystalmage]

Your post is too long.

Just kidding, interesting, and I agree that sometimes it can be a sign of our own disease in the fact that we try to cut everyone down to show that we're superior.

HAHAH that was so funny. Ya I notice alot in forums if people don't have a valid argument against what you have to say they will put you down as if putting you down some how makes thier lack of a argument more valid.

[Desert_Rose2]

'When we try to control others it is s signpost of our own dis-ease.'

Over the years I have run into many people that would like to control me.

Some say my posts are too long, others tell me I have no right to exist at all.

Recently one person told me the type I was using was too large. (I'm 54..so eyesight is going downhill.)

Others tell me I do not use 'I' enough.

Then the opposite group writes me that tell me I am an egomaniac because my posts contain too many 'I's"

I am not bound by such prejudice that these people exhibit.

When they let the 'length' of a post or 'type' size I use disturb them it says it all about their state of inner peace...nil.

When we try to control others it is a signpost of our own dis-ease.

If I see a post I do not like...I just go onto the next one.

thanks for that...I'm quoting what I can go with (editing out what I can't, in order to communicate with you).
It's useful and connected with stuff I've been learning too.
I am noticing more and more that the world seems full of critics.
I firmly believe this says more about them than what they criticise.
When a person has inner peace there is less 'need' for this, and more desire to understand 'the other.' Not control. To find out 'why' first. To give the benefit of the doubt, knowing we do not know all (about someone else).
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Christians want to convince as they are convinced and they are (usually) convinced that what they believe benefits (greatly), if believed.
This can be thought of (if wished) as a form of control, and I know it is, with some Christians (for they/we have, as yet, unhealed personality issues, as all humans do).
But it's not always control. Often it is a genuine desire to help, to love, to share.
Often the manner of communication helps to determine the difference.
i.e. is aggression, force involved, or not?
Is listening involved, or not?

But I can never understand why non-Christians, theists and atheists want others to believe what they say. Why they want to 'disprove.' This is a negative, is it not, not a positive.
Is that not a form of wanting to control, not merely convince?