Introducing...Murray!

[The Happy Humanist]

I’d like to introduce a new character on the Cosmic scene…new to you anyway. He’s been around for a long time. His name is Murray, and he’s…well, he’s the Hyper-God. He is the deity that created the Judeo-Christian deity, YHWH/Jehovah/Allah. (Actually Murray’s name for him was Irving, but he’s OK with Jehovah.) So the age-old question of “Who made God?” has finally been answered. Murray’s your culprit.

Murray exists in a hypernatural realm outside of heaven, called “Blorgen.” Blorgen is inaccessible to heaven. In fact, Jehovah does not know about Murray. Being more powerful than Jehovah, Murray is able to completely hide his existence from Jehovah. Murray likes it that way – makes things interesting for him, and oh, the tricks he plays…but I digress.

Unlike Jehovah, Murray has not yet written his autobiography. Until now, he has not communicated his existence to humanity. Now he has chosen to do so, through me.

Now, the point of my revealing Murray’s existence to you is not to indulge some childish urge to parody revealed religion. Murray provides us with some interesting insights into the nature of our “knowledge” of God.

First, obviously you cannot prove Murray’s non-existence. More to the point, however, Murray proves that omniscience is impossible. For Jehovah cannot know for certain that Murray does not exist. It is in the nature of knowledge that not all knowledge is possible, for how does one know that one knows everything? That there is not a greater reality that one does not have access to? I submit that this applies to God in his heaven as much as it applies to us. And furthermore, I’m certain that God, if he exists, is aware of this limitation, and hence cannot rightfully claim omniscience. (Murray says in fact that Jehovah does not make such a claim; that omniscience was thrust upon him by human interpretation. No dummy, that Irving…er, Jehovah).

There are many other thought-experiments that Murray can inspire. In fact, Murray says he really digs this stuff. Oh, and in case you’re wondering, Murray says that he does not know who made him. He says he feels like he’s been around forever, but, he’s perfectly aware that there may be an even greater being, a hyper-hyper-god, or something.

Anyone have any questions for Murray?

[Zarathustra]

1st: Thank you for the welcome
2nd: I may be new, but you aren't going to trick me that easily

questions such as yours are unanswerable.

Not so, as you are our direct line to Murray, and Murray resides in Blorgen and has quasi-omniscience (exclusive to his realm and those below him) he can tell you if all of the "saved" from Hell become good upon the removal of "objective" good and evil, as given them by Jehovah, and replaced with either complete ignorance on the subject or are left to their own philosophical devices.

In short, all that is required to answer my question is a casual subjective glace around Blorgen on Murray's part, does it not?

I will check out that thread, as Murray wishes.

[Zarathustra]

1st: Thank you for the welcome
2nd: I may be new, but you aren't going to trick me that easily

questions such as yours are unanswerable.

Not so, as you are our direct line to Murray, and Murray resides in Blorgen and has quasi-omniscience (exclusive to his realm and those below him) he can tell you if all of the "saved" from Hell become good upon the removal of "objective" good and evil, as given them by Jehovah, and replaced with either complete ignorance on the subject or are left to their own philosophical devices.

In short, all that is required to answer my question is a casual glace around Blorgen on Murray's part, does it not?

I will check out that thread, as Murray wishes.

[Zarathustra]

O, Murray, what prithee hast this wretch done to place mineself out of thine favor! I am not worthy of your word, Wise Murray, but shed your light on mine eyes and let me see!

[The Happy Humanist]

O, Murray, what prithee hast this wretch done to place mineself out of thine favor! I am not worthy of your word, Wise Murray, but shed your light on mine eyes and let me see!

I want you to know, I really tried. But His Murrayness seems unresponsive...I am told by one of his acolytes (a hooker named Bunny, one of those saved from Hell) that he is engaged in a decades-long Backgammon tournament, and only takes breaks once every few months. Perhaps at his next break...

I suspect, however, that his answer will be something like,
"Sin, schmin. There are no bad people, only bad deities. Pass the dice cup." 8)

[Zarathustra]

Maybe I should start training for the Backgammon tourneys now...

[The Happy Humanist]

I suspect, however, that his answer will be something like,
"Sin, schmin. There are no bad people, only bad deities. Pass the dice cup." 8)

Well, praise Murray! He took a quick break and said that I had pretty much nailed it...except he might have substituted "Creators" for "deities" to make the point more succinctly. Behold the wisdom of Murray. He also told me to stop bothering him with such imponderables. PBUH.

I like this new Murrayism, in fact, I think I'll use it as my signature from now on. Oh, yeah, I changed my handle, too, as I'm starting to get some strange phone calls...